midnightAI
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In what way? They are behaving very similar to the PS4 gen, the big hitters only really came at the end of the generation and this gen seems very similar
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Why Sony keeps treating Horizon like it's golden child?
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midnightAI
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There is also a Horizon TV series coming and possibly an MMO/GaaS game
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Nintendo's Witch
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Aloy is just your average premature Karen. So annoying.
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The movie wasn’t too long ago. And I believe they are making a second. They released the collection on ps5 and PC not to long ago as well. I’d say a new one probably isn’t too far away, most likely not from naughty dog though.Mentioned two of those above, but I genuinely forgot Uncharted was rated Teen.
I would have definitely guessed it was Mature.
Still, the Uncharted series seems to have concluded, especially given that Uncharted 4 is the conclusion of Nathan Drake. So it’s basically an inactive IP at this point.
Also I had to double check to make sure it wasn’t mature as well.
Character of Spiderman isn’t owned by Sony but the movie and video game rights certainly are. And they pimp him out probably more than any other IP since 2018.
Gears of war wasn’t owned by Xbox until the 4th or 5th game. And most people definitely connected gears to Xbox. Feel Sony has done the same thing with Spiderman at this point.
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Edellus
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I'm with you. But I don't think we're the odd ones. It's just that negative comments tend to be loudest even if they are the minority. The rest of us are happy in having played and enjoyed both games and eagerly waiting for the next one. We're not ones to usually to defend a game from the dislikes of others. There's no point in discussing and trying to convince people who already made up their minds. Besides, most reasons people tend to vocally and repeatedly dislike this franchise are very shallow and one dimensional, IMO.
I would think the fact that the franchise has sold really well and became popular really fast is reason enough to understand why Playstation would want to invest more in it. There's just that many of us who like it and want to see more of it.
ChuckeRearmed
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The problem with Aloy is that she is just not a cool character at all.
I do wonder how many copies would this game sell without aggressive bundling.
I do wonder how many copies would this game sell without aggressive bundling.
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Truthtellers
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Great game. Sells well.
Bumblebeetuna
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People put too much emphasis on the sales. The first game benefited greatly from bundles. I bought the game at least five times. Once day one in Best Buy for myself, the rest in bundles for gifts. Plus it wasn’t that long after release that you could buy the complete edition for $20.
I have no idea what the sequels numbers are but again, bundled. Way way less than the first game was.
But it’s still a very smart move by Sony to allow whoever makes Lego games to use Horizon. Isn’t it something called TT Games? Anyway, they have a broad appeal main character fighting dinosaurs. They can explain her character and appeal the franchise to much younger people. You can have the main series appealing to older gamers and a Lego spinoff series appealing to kids. Could even get a cartoon series. And toys obviously.
I have no idea what the sequels numbers are but again, bundled. Way way less than the first game was.
But it’s still a very smart move by Sony to allow whoever makes Lego games to use Horizon. Isn’t it something called TT Games? Anyway, they have a broad appeal main character fighting dinosaurs. They can explain her character and appeal the franchise to much younger people. You can have the main series appealing to older gamers and a Lego spinoff series appealing to kids. Could even get a cartoon series. And toys obviously.
PSYGN
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Poetic
ByWatterson
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Correct. It has a huge cross-demo appeal that none of their other franchises do.
nial
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SaiyanRaoh
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They really missed their opportunity at making Astrobot a great mascot. I don’t know why Sony hasn’t hitched their wagon to that character. All of the games are fun even they are more or less tech demos for whatever Sony is trying to push. This new game looks incredible. Maybe there is hope if it sells well.
nial
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It has been one in Japan since 2018, but Sony hasn't had much reason to really push it until now since Astro Bot 2024 is the first one in the series that's a full-length TV-based game.
I feel bad for saying it because the voice acting is fine but the writing is abysmal. That goes for everyone in the Horizon games. Aloy is actually the best of the bunch but it’s not saying much. Everyone is so poorly written.
PixelatedBeast
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Except Marvel movies havent sold well at all recently. The funny thing about people saying the writing is boring, is that Guerilla actually hired one of the writers who worked on Fallout New Vegas to craft the story of Horizon.
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Gaiff
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The writing worked well in the first game. The second game just doesn’t have such a strong premise to build upon.Except Marvel movies havent sold well at all recently. The funny thing about people saying the writing is boring, is that Guerilla actually hired one of the writers who worked on Fallout New Vegas to craft the story of Horizon.
It honestly shouldn’t have had a direct sequel.
Reaseru
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You gotta give him some credit sometimes.
What? Are you trying (very subtlety) to tell to me that Stellar Blade turned out the way it did because of him? I think that credit goes to ShiftUp.
And when Project Eve was annouced in 2019 back then (as a multiplatform), he was still the Managing Director at Guerrilla. He wasn't the one who brought Project Eve to Playstation. He didn't invented that "wheel".
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nial
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That's why I said 'some' and not 'all'.
He was the one who managed to get Sony to produce games in Asia outside of Japan, which in turn means that the Stellar Blade that exists today is thanks to his initiative, and was produced by his division.
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Reaseru
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Sony didn't produced nothing. The game was already in development before Sony invested on it.
They financed the game to become a exclusive. The dude is a suit. Always has been. To throw money even a Phil Spencer can do that, and he is not a gaming genius because of that.
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Orutisu Furio
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Horizon is one of the most overrated franchises I’ve ever played. There is nothing special about it apart from pretty visuals.
nial
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They factually did, sorry, that's how it is.
Stellar Blade credits (PlayStation 5, 2024) - MobyGames
The official game credits for Stellar Blade released on PlayStation 5 in 2024. The credits include 1,127 people.
www.mobygames.com
And produced and published it! That's what publishers do.
No shit, he's a company executive, but for some reason, the fact that Stellar Blade was produced under his tenure seems to bother you a lot.
Microsoft would simply give them some amount of money, and tell them that they cannot release it on competing platforms for 6 months, something that Sony did not do with Stellar Blade.
By the way, if you really believe that it was simple moneyhat, why would Shift Up give Sony the publishing rights for the game, essentially allowing them to gain most of the money BY FAR for each copy sold?
Bernardougf
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Didnt like the settings, characters and specially Aloy this time ... first game was very good ... this one ... too much girl boss bitch power for my taste... as soon as I reachead a village full of bulky woman and next another woman tribal leader appeared I said "fuck it .. im out" killing dinosaurs is fun but I couldn't endure everything else. Maybe the story picks up later and gets better ... but what I played was enough to see that this game was not for me ... and unfortunately everything sony post last of us 2 .. has not been for me either.I don’t get the HFW hate here. Maybe I haven’t come far enough? I’m currently fighting an oliphant
Portugeezer
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Because the games sold very well.
Yes, I have 200 IQ.
Yes, I have 200 IQ.
schaft0620
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OP did you not see at one time they had 16 Horizon projects in production?
They want that to be their Mario so bad. TLOU and GoW are too mature and both studios want off that ride. Then they don't own Spider-Man.
They look at Zelda, Mario, Red Dead and go why the hell are our attach rates not this good? Then they come to the conclusion on overall cultural zeitgeist and how it needs to be more well known. THEN TLOU2 on HBO causes a spike in sales which validates all of that.
It sorta works, my GF and I did the Horizon Lego together and she was interested, like if there were to be a show she would watch it but not interested in games.
Think about it we are 1/2 through the Horizon transmedia railroad.
1. Horizon Forbidden West
2. Horizon CotM
3. Horizon Lego
4. Horizon 1 remastered
5. Horizon Forbidden West PC
6. Netflix series
7. New Horizon Legos
8. Horizon 3
9. Horizon Monster Hunter clone.
10 through 16. Who knows but I think there's a comic book and action figures.
They want that to be their Mario so bad. TLOU and GoW are too mature and both studios want off that ride. Then they don't own Spider-Man.
They look at Zelda, Mario, Red Dead and go why the hell are our attach rates not this good? Then they come to the conclusion on overall cultural zeitgeist and how it needs to be more well known. THEN TLOU2 on HBO causes a spike in sales which validates all of that.
It sorta works, my GF and I did the Horizon Lego together and she was interested, like if there were to be a show she would watch it but not interested in games.
Think about it we are 1/2 through the Horizon transmedia railroad.
1. Horizon Forbidden West
2. Horizon CotM
3. Horizon Lego
4. Horizon 1 remastered
5. Horizon Forbidden West PC
6. Netflix series
7. New Horizon Legos
8. Horizon 3
9. Horizon Monster Hunter clone.
10 through 16. Who knows but I think there's a comic book and action figures.
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Angry_Megalodon
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But this is not true, unless Shift Up's CEO is lying. Hermen only put his name on it and we must say thanks. He would have destroyed the game, had his involvement gone further.
tmlDan
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It actually does have a strong premise to build upon, did you forget the end?
Mr Moose
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Because building robot dinosaurs is cool.
nial
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As I've already told you a lot of times, Shuhei Yoshida could not do anything beyond suggesting Hermen Hulst (and Jim Ryan, probably) to pick up the project for production, he's head of their indies initiative, he literally has nothing to do with Stellar Blade or other PlayStation Studios projects since November 2019.
You realize that Hermen could have easily denied Shuhei's suggestion, right?
Also, with the 'involvement' part, he was as involved in Stellar Blade as with almost every other first-party Sony game produced since late 2019.
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semiconscious
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i love the world of horizon, & its awesome menagerie. it's aloy that, beyond the first game, i just can't stand...
It doesn't mean much. The game director of Watch Dogs Legion was the director of Chaos Theory.Except Marvel movies havent sold well at all recently. The funny thing about people saying the writing is boring, is that Guerilla actually hired one of the writers who worked on Fallout New Vegas to craft the story of Horizon.
And when it comes to worldbuilding, there was definitely a lot of work in Horizon 1 and 2. You can tell the devs really tried to flesh out something that has a big scope. The initial idea also is not bad, in the sense it's what you would expect from a new IP in this day and age, made by this kind of people, for a modern audience. It's familiar and fresh at the same time.
However it doesn't make the world or the characters "click". I would say, from what i see (so more in an objective perspective) it managed to entertain people but it didn't leave a mark for most of them. So i think in the long run the IP will not last except if they have a genius idea.
Now if i had to express my subjective opinion i would say it's garbage and i hate it. But there was definitely an attempt at something with this universe.
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JerryinSoCal
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Personally I don't see this series as going more than one more mainline game, they ruined the story for me with the sequel, the side characters were great but Aloy turned into a complete bore. I also don't see how much more they can do with robot animals. They very much try to limit how much fun you can have in this game, why take weapons away from animals you can mount? why make the overrides timed? if you want to be a badass they should let you. They refuse to add lock on to the melee combat which can be extremely frustrating because of the drawn out swinging animations and the fact that the enemies jump all over the place, traversal is fine but that grappling hook mechanic was choppy and didn't add fun to anything neither did flying mounts, now had they let the flying mounts have their projectile attacks even after you took them over that would have been nice but NO they don't want that lol.
Reaseru
Member
Yes, yes. Let's take your word and narrative and not the one of both technical director and director of the game.
Well, seems that Hurst it is not only one that suffers of a naracissistic complex...
Fake
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Toons
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Well ya can't sell Joel to anything these days, not with that nasty head injury...
Toons
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Everything I've heard about both games in the real world has been overwhelmingly positive, this site is pretty much the only time I see anyone bashing it. I have yet to play either but I will get around to it at some point
nial
Gold Member
Did he say that Sony only gave him some money and that was it? Post the receipts now.
Also, I need you to address this:
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Aloy is boring, but I'd argue that none of Sony's first-party characters are particularly interesting or nuanced. Joel from TLOU was the closest they got, but everything else is a pretty inoffensive avatar at best.
Polygonal_Sprite
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I've played Horizon 1+2 and the VR game and I couldn't tell you more than a couple of small plot points. The whole IP is devoid of character and utterly forgettable not just the main character. If it was an Ubisoft IP 95% of it's fans wouldn't be fans.
A GaaS using it's gameplay is probably a better idea than a $300 million sequel that takes 6 years to make tbh.