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Why the hell is this so hard to understand? I'm PINING for Cerny to do that tear down now because he's going to tear some new assholes.
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Why the hell is this so hard to understand? I'm PINING for Cerny to do that tear down now because he's going to tear some new assholes.
Insane Metal
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Don't worry, there's at least 10 pages of IntentionalPun trying to teach us all that variable frequency on PS5 is going to downgrade games.
Yesterday it was 38 pages, now I tried my best and it's 43 pages away! Still stock at page 2721! Gotta sleep now to fight tomorrow.
TrippleA345
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The differences in I/O implementation between the PS5 and the XBOX The CPU sends a signal which data the program wants (No.1) and the rest of 2 - 5 is the path through the system into the Ram. The elements that are colored are identical.
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MasterCornholio
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The differences in I/O implementation between the PS5 and the XBOX The CPU sends a signal which data the program wants (No.1) and the rest of 2 - 5 is the path through the system into the Ram.
I don't understand something from the Xbox section. Isn't it the CPU that requests the data and not the GPU?
TrippleA345
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Yeah you're right I made a mistake.
MasterCornholio
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I read here that with the XSX the GPU has direct access to the SSD for the 100GBs of data that's instantly available to it.
That isn't possible correct?
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TrippleA345
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Not possible. The data must always go into the Ram first, i.e. from no. 2 to no. 5, before the data can be used by the CPU or the GPU. There is no 100GB immediate access. Not yet
dr guildo
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Now its Correct
Yep, the XsX's CPU works more for the very same task on PS5. So PS5 has more freed CPU ressources. In practice, PS5 has a cpu advantage over XsX. This reminds me the Snes with all th co-processor helping the main CPU, and doing all this cool stuff in visuals (mode 7) and sounds.
MasterCornholio
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Not possible. The data must always go into the Ram first, i.e. from no. 2 to no. 5, before the data can be used by the CPU or the GPU. There is no 100GB immediate access. Not yet
That's what I thought. So the 100GBs claim by Microsoft is just marketing BS.
Thank you.
TrippleA345
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Cant remember that Microsoft claimed that.
I thought it was a ”random” Twitter post
kyliethicc
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Yeah pretty much. But both consoles will have better more direct communication between the SSD and the CPU/GPU than a PC has. And yeah obviously everything rendered goes into memory.
Seems like the PS5 has the fastest architecture.
"Systems integration and whole-system performance. Bringing in data from high-bandwidth storage into video memory in its native format with hardware decompression is very efficient. The software and hardware stack go to great lengths to minimize latency and maximize the bandwidth that's actually accessible by games.
Those PC numbers are theoretical and are from drive into kernel memory. From there, it's a slow and circuitous journey through software decompression to GPU driver swizzling into video memory where you can eventually use it. The PS5 path for this is several times more efficient. And then there's latency.
On PC, there's a lot of layering and overhead. Then you have the issue of getting compressed textures into video memory requires reading into RAM, software decompressing, then calling into a GPU driver to transfer and swizzle them, with numerous kernel transitions throughout."
Tim Sweeney, Founder/CEO of Epic
Tim Sweeney Explains Exactly Why the PS5's SSD and I/O Architecture Is Way More Efficient Than PC's
Epic founder Tim Sweeney explained exactly why the PlayStation 5's SSD and I/O Architecture is way more efficient than PC's.
wccftech.com
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Mr Moose
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Were they talking about seek time?
kyliethicc
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Cant remember that Microsoft claimed that.
They're just saying they have a fast storage API. But Xbox fanboys read that and started saying Series X has 100+ GB/s SSD speed or 100+ GB of ram, etc. It was silly.
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MasterCornholio
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Cant remember that Microsoft claimed that.
"the Xbox Velocity Architecture enables the Xbox Series X to deliver effective performance well beyond the raw hardware specs, providing direct, instant, low level access to more than 100GB of game data stored on the SSD just in time for when the game requires it."
Xbox Velocity Architecture: A Closer Look at the Next-Gen Tech Driving Gaming Innovation Forward on Xbox Series X - Xbox Wire
When we set out to design the Xbox Series X, we aspired to build our most powerful console ever powered by next generation innovation and delivering consistent, sustained performance never before seen in a console with no compromises. To achieve this goal, we knew we needed to analyze each...
news.xbox.com
DaGwaphics
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Someone on beyond3d (I don't visit there, but another user linked in the thread where seagate announced the drive) where they thought the 100GB was some kind of mapping to memory that eliminated a lot of the traditional IO steps on Windows. If you go back to that thread there was a link.
TrippleA345
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"the Xbox Velocity Architecture enables the Xbox Series X to deliver effective performance well beyond the raw hardware specs, providing direct, instant, low level access to more than 100GB of game data stored on the SSD just in time for when the game requires it."
Xbox Velocity Architecture: A Closer Look at the Next-Gen Tech Driving Gaming Innovation Forward on Xbox Series X - Xbox Wire
When we set out to design the Xbox Series X, we aspired to build our most powerful console ever powered by next generation innovation and delivering consistent, sustained performance never before seen in a console with no compromises. To achieve this goal, we knew we needed to analyze each...
They're just saying they have a fast storage API. But Xbox fanboys read that and started saying Series X has 100+ GB/s SSD speed or 100+ GB of ram, etc. It was silly.
"the Xbox Velocity Architecture enables the Xbox Series X to deliver effective performance well beyond the raw hardware specs, providing direct, instant, low level access to more than 100GB of game data stored on the SSD just in time for when the game requires it."
Xbox Velocity Architecture: A Closer Look at the Next-Gen Tech Driving Gaming Innovation Forward on Xbox Series X - Xbox Wire
When we set out to design the Xbox Series X, we aspired to build our most powerful console ever powered by next generation innovation and delivering consistent, sustained performance never before seen in a console with no compromises. To achieve this goal, we knew we needed to analyze each...
Ah now I see, it's just low level Access. Like someone said, i think it was Coroteks, Companies loves Big Numbers. Big Number could have big Impact in Marketing. But this did not turn out so well for Microsoft
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Im kinda worried about that too.
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kyliethicc
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And it's funny because they only picked the number 100 GB because thats how big the game discs can hold next gen, so its the game package size.Ah now I see, it's just low level Access. Like someone said, i think it was Coroteks, Companies loves Big Numbers. Big Number could have big Impact in Marketing. But this did not turn out so well for Microsoft
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Lmao I was watching that today, PS4 managed to do it in 1080 P at 60 FPS, I know the game is a remaster but dam it does looks pretty good, they're using Unreal Engine 4 it seems. I'm a huge fan of the Tony Hawk franchise so I'm super pumped for this game, a majority of my childhood was spent trying to get those insane combo points! lol
This game should be getting a next-gen patch, man it would have been so cool if it got an update to take advantage of the Dualsense, I remember reading somewhere that Dualsense allows the user to "feel" different road surfaces via haptics and a game like Tony Hawk could really take advantage of this in the same way, skating over different surfaces and grinding over rails + other stuff.
EDIT: the game could also really benefit from ray-tracing, especially through global illuminations and reflections in the puddles!
Anyways, here's a link to the video! I recommend watching it to others, especially if your a fan of the games!
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IbelieveInGenerations
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PS5 is really what the industry needed to free the devs so they can finally create games as close to their imaginations since now level designs and scenarios dont need to be filled with trick gamey solutions to save time to load assets and Textures.
kyliethicc
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It looks great, but I need the THPS 3+4 remake. I'm waiting for those 2.
There's an important factor that worth mentioning. Sony is always about efficiency and innovations, it's apparent that they've invested tremendous amount in R&D that will save them money in the long run on a leaner meaner machine
Their GPU for example, why use many traditionally under utilized CU's, when less CU's used more efficiently can do the same job
Snowdonhoffen
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It seems Sony will be skipping Gamescom
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It also seems the show will be a live one.
We'll see both big AAA games and indies, any bets?
Aaand we will see next gen stuff there, probably some of those big AAA games are next gen
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We'll see both big AAA games and indies, any bets?
Aaand we will see next gen stuff there, probably some of those big AAA games are next gen
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Empire Strikes Back
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I remember a guy on Era with a teory that every dev on this segment had at least some exclusivity tie with PlayStation or something like that. Even Mediatonic was there and they have just released Fall Guys.Anyone else notice that in the June PS5 event they snuck the boy Mark in at the end?
Barakov
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Snowdonhoffen
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Some others say every dev there was supposed to show something on the event, but given how Sony only wanted to show games running on PS5 they discarded some of those games.
Shmunter
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Sony’s approach will be standard in the future. Why is it important? Because it allows for more performance out of a fixed power budget.
At the power budget without the ability to pivot that power as needed between components, the whole thing would essentially be clocked lower.
So why not increase the power budget to raise fixed clocks? Because why fix the clocks if the strategy would still benefit whatever the power budget baseline is.
It’s smart, it’s the future.
Empire Strikes Back
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But they also discarded games running on the PS5. The Pathless was on the closing sizzle and only got shown at State of Play, running on the PS5 IIRC. It’s interesting, but it may not be all exclusivity things... Bungie’s CEO was there and we know they went Game Pass, unless they are moneyhatting their new IP. I want to see how this unfolds...
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existensmaximum
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"What are you? A gay fish?"
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TJC
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No
. Best to just sit back now as I wouldn't be surprised if it was late September with how it's been going. People were certain of a August big blow out...but here we are.
It really is, I'm actually bored of it now. Don't get me wrong I'm still hyped. I just wish they weren't being so cagey with information, cerny talked about teardown back in may and I was thinking it would be out by July at the latest
. Best to just sit back now as I wouldn't be surprised if it was late September with how it's been going. People were certain of a August big blow out...but here we are.
Snowdonhoffen
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He talked about the teardown in March! and at this point it seems we won't be getting it until September at the earliest. Hope I'm wrong.No
It really is, I'm actually bored of it now. Don't get me wrong I'm still hyped. I just wish they weren't being so cagey with information, cerny talked about teardown back in may and I was thinking it would be out by July at the latest
Games Dean
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This wait for more next gen showcases is starting to get mildly irritating.
thurnishaleygw
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Oh fuck...
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kyliethicc
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Yeah seems close to all of them. There's a Remedy dev and an Infinity Ward dev in there, so might not be all of them... unless my theory is right and Remedy are making a PS5 exclusive. And COD MW does have some exclusive content for PS4 so that could count. Might be true actually.
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kyliethicc
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Sony uploaded the PS4 Pro teardown video on their Youtube channel one day after the PS4 Pro released in November. I wouldn't be suprised if we don't see a PS5 teardown until November.
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Snowdonhoffen
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Launch title?
Get ready for the "PS5 only has a DLC and a 11 year old game at launch" narrative. But damn, if this is a launch title:
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Mr. PlayStation
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Gawd I envy all these chinese game developers, they are so skilled at what they do and they are straight up making games based out of their rich culture and mythology. Why aren't we getting anything on Indian mythology, so much potential is there in Indian folktale and mythology
B_Boss
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Dammit, I mean hopefully the show will be a blast but I was hoping for at least an image of BF6, teaser image, anything.
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