TaylorSwiftFan
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Comparing a AU$1,400 card with a AU$750 box. Sounds like a good idea.
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Watch Dogs Legion Xbox Series X vs RTX 3080 Ray Tracing 4K Early Graphics Comparison
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alabtrosMyster
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What was the expectation? ... oh Super... well, no secreat sauce it seems.
This is enough to warrant that we will get some level of RT this gen.
$500
Phrixotrichus
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So, in which world is a 500$ all in one box performing on the level of a higher end gaming PC "bad"?
And aside from the usual secret sauce retards... Did anyone expect much more than that, even?
And aside from the usual secret sauce retards... Did anyone expect much more than that, even?
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Insane Metal
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He is being ironic. As said before. Proelite is not a PC elitist.
teezzy
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Ah, thanks for clarifying.
I post from the hip. It has its benefits, this wasn't one of them.
Appreciate you.
Bo_Hazem
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Hayabusabruh
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Direct feed demolishes promotional video. Lol. The main difference I noticed was ground textures were more crisp on pc. All the lighting seemed to be there though.
THEAP99
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that guy is a piece of crap. he's spread so much fud!
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Deleted member 801069
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this thread is very dumb
Jibran#one
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Let's do the math shall we
Its a 500 dollar box thats with ram, ssd , gfx card , cpu and what not going up against a 700 dollar gpu and holds its ground what else were we expecting here?
Its a 500 dollar box thats with ram, ssd , gfx card , cpu and what not going up against a 700 dollar gpu and holds its ground what else were we expecting here?
Yselacrey00
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A year ago...
Bo_Hazem
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Not sure if any Raytracing in the XSX footage or just baked SSR, probably a patch will have it:
UPDATE: While our initial focus was on the current-gen console versions of Watch Dogs: Legion, we've also spent time looking at the PC version too with Digital Foundry's PC specialist Alex Battaglia taking a good hard look at a hugely demanding game - a title that challenges mid-range rigs even without ray tracing enabled.
In this extended video, you'll get to see how the ray tracing features work, how they scale and how much of an impact they have on overall performance. You'll also get to see how much of an accelerant Nvidia's excellent DLSS implementation is for this title, plus we take a look at the settings available, how the key presets scale, and come up with our optimised settings for the best bang for the buck experience. It'll certainly be interesting to see how the Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 versions compare to what's on offer here, and how performant they are by comparison.
Should you wait for next-gen to play Watch Dogs: Legion?
UPDATE: While our initial focus was on the current-gen console versions of Watch Dogs: Legion, we've also spent time lo…
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Compsiox
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Looks like I'm on the right track
diffusionx
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I get this way of thinking but this is the console we are stuck with for at least 3 years and is already pretty cut back on a brand new game.PC hardware and RT is only going to get better and faster and quickly.
This is what I expected, of course, since it’s just a console, but it’s more about how this is all we got for the next few years at least.
Tripolygon
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Hard disagree here. That literally was possible last Gen but here XSX is showing some impressive RT reflection vs a GPU nearly twice its size and more expensive.
PaintTinJr
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Half and half for me.
On the whole there's a lot of things in common, and if it wasn't a game - that I think looks devoid of artistic finish - then the two pictures are in the same ballpark. However, as it is a game, the most surprising thing is that XsX looks like it is using a different frustum setup - with far plane twice as close or 8bit /16bit less zbuffer precision as the PC/3080 setup, giving a claustrophobic feel, and poor draw distance compared to base PS4 exclusives like GoT, so really has no place on 12TF RDNA2 console running a cross-gen game IMHO.
The frustum setup in the XsX version is also causing really nasty texturing issues on the floor. The cobbled stone floor street textures on the 3080 look correct, whereas the XsX they look very iffy, and not just size and filtering issues, they look almost 360/PS3 gen level IMO.
longdi
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Yes i done my own investigative journalism, https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox-ot-power-your-dreams.1553553/page-75#post-260896675
We can conclude Series X is about 2080Ti, the advantage scales with RT levels.
More RT = more 2080Ti
Less RT = more XSX.
XSX is about 20% slower than Amd rDNA2 siblings 6800
XSX is about 28% slower than 3080.
This video kinda add more cred into my checks.
Btw if you watched the video carefully, it seems XSX version has more polygons in some items like the traffic lights and street banners!
This is impressive feat considering XSX price and fitting all that power in a small shoebox sized PC. IIRC XSX is more compact than nCase N1!
We can conclude Series X is about 2080Ti, the advantage scales with RT levels.
More RT = more 2080Ti
Less RT = more XSX.
XSX is about 20% slower than Amd rDNA2 siblings 6800
XSX is about 28% slower than 3080.
This video kinda add more cred into my checks.
Btw if you watched the video carefully, it seems XSX version has more polygons in some items like the traffic lights and street banners!
This is impressive feat considering XSX price and fitting all that power in a small shoebox sized PC. IIRC XSX is more compact than nCase N1!
MarkMe2525
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Is this sarcasm?
anothertech
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3 months ago, 2080ti was a 2000$ card lololol.
This is great news. 2080ti level is pretty great.
AMD has much less experience with Ray Tracing than nVidia. Plus the RTX 30 series are far more optimised for Ray Tracing (2x) than the 20 series, so it's no surprise. I think Ray Tracing will be the consoles' Achiles heel this generation.
Additionally, the consoles lack a hardware based DLSS solution like the 30 series, so ironically it's the consoles which are "brute forcing" 4K, while the 30 series can fall back on DLSS and AI upscale to 4K.
Additionally, the consoles lack a hardware based DLSS solution like the 30 series, so ironically it's the consoles which are "brute forcing" 4K, while the 30 series can fall back on DLSS and AI upscale to 4K.
diffusionx
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Huh? The 2080ti was $1200 and also came out in late 2018. Nobody was buying 2080TI three months ago when the new GPU announcements were inevitable. The 3070 which is sort of a match for it and is a $500 GPU
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longdi
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Yes! Most of us were expecting between 2080~2080S
To have 2080Ti levels (with RT disclaimer), is madness. This harks back to 360 Xenos gpu level of greatness.
Imo this/next gen is lighting in a bottle, where all things fall nicely in place
Amd returning to competitiveness
The 7nm chiplet with desktop class CPU
The 7nm next gen GPU, with forward looking efficieny features like ML, VRS, SFS and a sprinkle of RT
The 1TB SSD
MS opening their warchest
The push for Gamepass and generational BC
All that glory for $499, in a SFF, is just that, lighting in a bottle.
Crazy value, crazy technology timings.
You cant get more pieces falling together like now.
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MightySquirrel
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So in your observation only 28% faster card is capable of running the game at double framerate + double resolution + better RT all at the same time ? I can only wish 28% would give such insane advantage.Yes i done my own investigative journalism, https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox-ot-power-your-dreams.1553553/page-75#post-260896675
We can conclude Series X is about 2080Ti, the advantage scales with RT levels.
More RT = more 2080Ti
Less RT = more XSX.
XSX is about 20% slower than Amd rDNA2 siblings 6800
XSX is about 28% slower than 3080.
This video kinda add more cred into my checks.
Btw if you watched the video carefully, it seems XSX version has more polygons in some items like the traffic lights and street banners!
This is impressive feat considering XSX price and fitting all that power in a small shoebox sized PC. IIRC XSX is more compact than nCase N1!
rnlval
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XSX wasn't supposed to rival or beat RTX 2080 Ti. Refer to RX 6800 instead.
Rusty Shackelford
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I can't believe FM4 doesn't look as good as FM7 ON THE ONE X! ABSURD I TELL YOU! 6TF console destroys <1TF console!
Iced Arcade
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"demolished"
You must be someone's wife because that's some over exaggeration
You must be someone's wife because that's some over exaggeration
longdi
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Thats down to RT and DLSS magic
3080 has up to 50% uplift over 2080Ti with RT.
I dont think you can get double fps + double resolution + better RT at the same time.
DLSS technically drops the resolution, to probably around the same as the console
Besides, let's wait for Amd super resolution, to have a somewhat positive impact for rDNA2 image reconstruciton. Imo it wont match DLSS2.0 but it should provide some more fps uplift.
oldergamer
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Proelite created this thread to troll. Its the reason he didnt stick around to discuss
MrFunSocks
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Nah, graphics will improve and games will be 30fps for most games as always. Early gen games are generally just previous generation games with everything dialed up to 11. As the generation goes on, resolutions get lower and framerates get lower.
Compsiox
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I certainly hope not.
Nhranaghacon
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Ubisoft, who has already been called out for releasing notoriously unoptimized games - bet this game get's two after release patches. Geez - Wonder Why.
Jibran#one
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Trust me mate this is a huge win for the box if its trading blows with a 2080ti, you just can't expect these 500 dollar boxes to compete with top end pc hardware which is released almost every year
MightySquirrel
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You're right I forgot about DLSS and even then 3080 only gets 45 fps with RT on ultra. Omg XsX is a Monster !
Krisprolls
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You're right I forgot about DLSS and even then 3080 only gets 45 fps with RT on ultra. Omg XsX is a Monster !
DLSS has strangely very few effect on this game performance though according to performance thread. Someone said only 4 fps.
Great Hair
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Overall pretty close, except some assets. The only major issue i have is, why is the ground so blurry on the XSX? Another decade of 4xAF?! Ubisoft ... 10,000 employees strong and still 4x AF? I dont get that.