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[Topher]

Hi Fam, let me introduce you to the concept of "Burden of Proof".

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

lmgtfy.app

TL;DR, the accusers are the ones who have to provide evidence, and so far we have seen none.

Please try again.

Exactly. You accused others of lying. Where is your proof?

 

[adamsapple]

Exactly. You accused others of lying. Where is your proof?

Again, you're lacking the understanding of how the concept works lol.

You should be quoting anyone whose accusing MS of buying out DF/John/Richard for evidence, and no, 3 year old overheard words that no one has seen, and that the original poster can't verify anymore either don't count.

You provide me proof, then I provide you a rebuttal. That's how this works.

Cheers, fam !

 

[Snake29]

Amazing photomode bullshots dude
Shame it never looked THAT crazy when playing it

Clearly you have never played the game. You get more control over the camera and DoF settings, but the graphics are still the same.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Thank you, again.

Glad we can finally drop this now.

Here's hoping the discussion on GAF can continue with this knowledge at hand.

Well he also doesn't have proof that it stopped either. All he has is proof that it happened at some point in the past. That's the knowledge he's leaving us. It's up to you to believe if this practice continues or not.

 

[PropellerEar]

Oh I don't know about that, we've had posters like rivet using this as a 100% gotch ha b**** just within this very topic.

I'm on phone right now, so I can't go back numerous pages and post quote all of them, but you get the idea right?

And now I'm reading that this exact topic has been discussed in the past as well, for something that's not safe to bring up for someone's livelihood, the sure seems to be brought up quite a bunch.

That is one members individual take.

But the transcripts were never presented as definite proof of anything by HeisenbergFX4 or the mods.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Hi Fam, let me introduce you to the concept of "Burden of Proof".

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

lmgtfy.app

TL;DR, the accusers are the ones who have to provide evidence, and so far we have seen none.

Please try again.

My burden of proof is to the staff here not users

 

[adamsapple]

Well he also doesn't have proof that it stopped either. All he has is proof that it happened at some point in the past. That's the knowledge he's leaving us. It's up to you to believe if this practice continues or not.

You're right, there's no proof it stopped. There's no proof it ever began either. That's the only knowledge we have.

I'm choosing not to believe it because it sounds absolutely absurd. If you choose to believe it, godspeed.

I'm just having a hard time understanding why some users here absolutely want to make it so that MS bought off Digital Foundry. Just think about how that sounds, we're in a topic .. about a graphics video ... where two of the top three games are PS5 exclusives.

Does that in any way, or form, look like a buy out ? It doesn't to me.

My burden of proof is to the staff here not users

Understandable, then please don't be upset if users don't buy it and call it out when cited.

 

[Topher]

Again, you're lacking the understanding of how the concept works lol.

You should be quoting anyone whose accusing MS of buying out DF/John/Richard for evidence, and no, 3 year old overheard words that no one has seen, and that the original poster can't verify anymore either don't count.

You provide me proof, then I provide you a rebuttal. That's how this works.

It works both ways. You can reserve judgement of what those guys said until you actually see the proof for yourself. That's perfectly fine and reasonable.

But you didn't reserve judgement. You went much much further than that and accused those people of blatantly lying. You have no proof at all that they are lying, but you made the accusation regardless.

 

[Boglin]

Again, you're lacking the understanding of how the concept works lol.

You should be quoting anyone whose accusing MS of buying out DF/John/Richard for evidence, and no, 3 year old overheard words that no one has seen, and that the original poster can't verify anymore either don't count.

You provide me proof, then I provide you a rebuttal. That's how this works.

I think I need to be educated about something.

When I first heard of this stuff, HeisenbergFX4 was a known person in the community with some insider connections. Before he put out the information on the forum, he made sure to have the mod team vet his information for legitimacy.
Let's say for argument that in this case his information is true and he is trying to inform people without compromising his source
What should he have done differently? Are there such things as credible sources or should all information be discarded until the original evidence is shown, regardless of whether it outs the leaker or not?

 

[FrankWza]

I hope this ends the 'DF is paid shills' nonsense once and for all. Ratchet and Clank was certainly a good looking game. Pity they didn't mention MS Flight Simulator with its cloud based rendering and DF never looked at Pyschonauts 2 at all. Quite the bummer.

Why would a 2020 game and a cross gen multiplat get mentioned? There are certain concessions that need to be made when you release cross gen.

Again, asking for evidence before buying into a narrative shouldn't be a controversial topic.

Just look at the first few pages of this topic to see how we got to this point. You'll find more than a few people accusing DF of being MS shills for no reason.

Some of y'all are legit shook that not everyone follows into a narrative blindly.

I'm just having a hard time understanding why some users here absolutely want to make it so that MS bought off Digital Foundry. Just think about how that sounds, we're in a topic .. about a graphics video ... where two of the top three games are PS5 exclusives.

You should talk to your boy up there that started this before we got a page in because he’s annoyed they are praising next gen only games on a system he supposedly owns. Par for the course. Just like the face off threads that show the PS5 ahead and turn into rdna or vrr discussions.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I'm choosing not to believe it because it sounds absolutely absurd. If you choose to believe it, godspeed.

Not really since it's not something that's illegal. It's like when product companies sponsor a YouTuber to review their product. Something similar could have happened here it really isn't that crazy.

I do notice that Digital Foundry has done some weird things when it comes to the PS5. Like their variable clock study. They certainly could have handled that a lot better. Or their reaction to the Touryst. Would have loved if they explained why something like that could have happened instead of acting shocked that it did. By that I mean give a technical explanation themselves backed by what the developer said.

 

[adamsapple]

That is one members individual take.

But the transcripts were never presented as definite proof of anything by HeisenbergFX4 or the mods.

I'm sorry but here's the user making a pretty definitive statement here:

Again, I am completely understanding that some folks just want to buy into this without any evidence.

But for something this user has said multiple times they won't reveal for security/livelihood reasons, they sure keep talking about it in definitive ways.

It works both ways. You can reserve judgement of what those guys said until you actually see the proof for yourself. That's perfectly fine and reasonable.

But you didn't reserve judgement. You went much much further than that and accused those people of blatantly lying. You have no proof at all that they are lying, but you made the accusation regardless.

What would you have me do ? I am reserving my judgment and trying to be as impartial as possible. However at every given turn I'm being quoted and told to accept what the user said because they may or may not have good rapport here.

And on top of that, the user has since themselves said they don't have any proof that their original accusation from 3 years ago is still valid.

It's an open and shut case here as far as I'm concerned. The user believe they were given some information, none of us have seen it, there is 0% evidence to back it up and now even said user has exclaimed they can't prove it anymore.

You should talk to your boy up there that started this before we got a page in because he’s annoyed they are praising next gen only games on a system he supposedly owns. Par for the course. Just like the face off threads that show the PS5 ahead and turn into rdna or vrr discussions.

That's the thing, almost every other topic about DF has the same bad faith actors using the same bad faith "but DF are MS shills" arguments.

It's .. tiring .. to say the least.

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I absolutely hate that I'm bringing up Heisenberg over and over, I'm sure they're a great poster otherwise, but this half-baked 'evidence' kerfuffle has just been a shitshow.

 

[Elios83]

Also during the said transcripts I shared it also shows Xbox brass saying John was the least likely to be swayed (though without digging through messages I can not remember the exact wording) as they knew John wouldn't be "bought"


The "recruiting" began with the Xbox One X deep dive and its not like they were 100% bought to sell Xbox they were just swayed to be more pro Xbox and of course they accepted the money

Wow if true.
Not that their preferences weren't obvious and the fact they were chosen to unveil Xbox One X specs and among the first to do Series X hands on were obvious signs of a working relationship.

 

[Topher]

What would you have me do ? I am reserving my judgment and trying to be as impartial as possible.

False. Calling someone a liar is not reserving judgement. That is just absurd.

You were wrong to call them liars. Frankly, you should apologize for that.

 

[Boglin]

However at every given turn I'm being quoted and told to accept what the user said because they may or may not have good rapport here.

I think I get it. You're new enough that you don't know that the user has a track history of leaking other things that have turned out to be correct.
I can only speak for myself but if someone tells me exclusive information that turns out to be correct 9 times, then I'm more inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt for number 10.

 

[adamsapple]

False. Calling someone a liar is not reserving judgement. That is just absurd.

You were wrong to call them liars. Frankly, you should apologize for that.

Sure, I have no issue owning up if wrong. If I called anyone an outright liar, I apologize for it.

However, I have been careful to call the narrative false where possible, if I called a person a liar unconsciously than that's on me.

But I'm still gonna need to see some deets before signing onto anything. And, no, I am neither a paid MS or DF employee

 

[MasterCornholio]

I absolutely hate that I'm bringing up Heisenberg over and over, I'm sure they're a great poster otherwise, but this half-baked 'evidence' kerfuffle has just been a shitshow.

Could you please be a little more respectful though. It's almost like your trying to drive him off this site or get someone fired because you want that information.

As with all insiders and vetted information just take it with a grain of salt. There's no need to harass them just because they rely something you might not want to hear.

Now for the obviously fake ones that spew information without any backing from the mods that's a different story.

Not trying to disrespect you or anything but be mindful to not go overboard with your accusations.

If you have any proof that he's making it up then you should show it to the mods on this site. As I said before just take it with a grain of salt and choose to accept or reject it.

 

[sircaw]

I'm sorry but here's the user making a pretty definitive statement here:

Again, I am completely understanding that some folks just want to buy into this without any evidence.

But for something this user has said multiple times they won't reveal for security/livelihood reasons, they sure keep talking about it in definitive ways.



What would you have me do ? I am reserving my judgment and trying to be as impartial as possible. However at every given turn I'm being quoted and told to accept what the user said because they may or may not have good rapport here.

And on top of that, the user has since themselves said they don't have any proof that their original accusation from 3 years ago is still valid.

It's an open and shut case here as far as I'm concerned. The user believe they were given some information, none of us have seen it, there is 0% evidence to back it up and now even said user has exclaimed they can't prove it anymore.



That's the thing, almost every other topic about DF has the same bad faith actors using the same bad faith "but DF are MS shills" arguments.

It's .. tiring .. to say the least.

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I absolutely hate that I'm bringing up Heisenberg over and over, I'm sure they're a great poster otherwise, but this half-baked 'evidence' kerfuffle has just been a shitshow.

Since you're new around here and have not known about this particular topic being brought up in the past, i find it a tad strange that this particular topic can be so tiring.

I am a fish but my spider-sense is tingling.

I hope your not trolling,

 

[adamsapple]

Since you're new around here and have not known about this particular topic being brought up in the past, i find it a tad strange that this particular topic can be so tiring.

I am a fish but my spider-sense is tingling.

I hope your not trolling,

Newly registered, but frequent lurker. However I don't follow individual user and their posting trends.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Well he also doesn't have proof that it stopped either. All he has is proof that it happened at some point in the past. That's the knowledge he's leaving us. It's up to you to believe if this practice continues or not.

False. Calling someone a liar is not reserving judgement. That is just absurd.

You were wrong to call them liars. Frankly, you should apologize for that.

Have they ever specifically stated what happened or was it always just vague language implying stuff?

 

[sircaw]

Newly registered, but frequent lurker. However I don't follow individual user and their posting trends.

Fair enough, your word is good enough for me.

 

[SlimySnake]

Newly registered, but frequent lurker. However I don't follow individual user and their posting trends.

What’s your Xbox era discord username

 

[sircaw]

Have they ever specifically stated what happened or was it always just vague language implying stuff?

Don't you have some Turkey to eat, don't make me give you a good stuffing

 

[Topher]

Sure, I have no issue owning up if wrong. If I called anyone an outright liar, I apologize for it.

However, I have been careful to call the narrative false where possible, if I called a person a liar unconsciously than that's on me.

But I'm still gonna need to see some deets before signing onto anything. And, no, I am neither a paid MS or DF employee

I think the better way to put it is what I said previously. Reserve judgement. Calling the narrative "false" is making judgement. I don't blame anyone who says they would have to see the transcript with their own eyes. I just think your tact here was off.

I'm not going to harp on it anymore though. I think we are on the same page now.

 

[adamsapple]

What’s your Xbox era discord username

I .. don't have one, I'm not really a discord user.

Fair enough, your word is good enough for me.

i c wat u did thar . gif

 

[FrankWza]

That's the thing, almost every other topic about DF has the same bad faith actors using the same bad faith "but DF are MS shills" arguments.

I guess you missed the launch fiasco where they were completely butthurt that they didn’t get a PS5 to breakdown? They got a series x though.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Have they ever specifically stated what happened or was it always just vague language implying stuff?

I don't believe the info he gave the mods was just vague language implying stuff. At least I wouldn't expect that from upper management at Xbox. Maybe for an intern that hears some rumors but not from those individuals.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

I don't believe the info he gave the mods was just vague language implying stuff. At least I wouldn't expect that from upper management at Xbox. Maybe for an intern that hears some rumors but not from those individuals.

I don't care what the mods got. I won't be seeing that. I'm asking if we were ever given anything beyond vague language implying stuff.

 

[skit_data]

Damn this thread took an interesting turn.
Anyway, it’s been pretty clear that Xbox has an interest being in DFs good graces since at least a while back. They were one of the very few to have access to info and prototypes of the Series X and Series S. Meanwhile, they got their PS5 from Sony only post launch. Pretty easy to see which company has interests in using their platform to indirectly promote their product.

I don’t really see any obvious bias shine through though, I especially consider John to be very professional.

 

[Md Ray]

GOD DAMN WHAT A CUTE PUPPER!

 

[sircaw]

Damn this thread took an interesting turn.
Anyway, it’s been pretty clear that Xbox has an interest being in DFs good graces since at least a while back. They were one of the very few to have access to info and prototypes of the Series X and Series S. Meanwhile, they got their PS5 from Sony only post launch. Pretty easy to see which company has interests in using their platform to indirectly promote their product.

I don’t really see any obvious bias shine through though, I especially consider John to be very professional.

Geez, It's not like there is a little cubicle mold with a CPU chip sitting front and square on their desk.

 

[Riky]

I don't know why I got tagged in this but here is my opinion.
Looking back on the DF videos about the Xbox One X launch you can see Richard clearly say several times he was flown to Seattle for an exclusive look at Scorpio. I presume this was all at Microsofts expense and I don't see why they should turn an opportunity like that down, an in depth look at a console before launch and a jump on the competition on performance and the set up of the chip.
I haven't seen the "evidence" and if it claims that members of DF personally took money, or that they had expenses paid for these sort of in depth looks at new consoles, or that DF was paid to produce articles about the make up of new consoles.
However we do know DF have had in depth looks at more recent hardware with them seeing Series S before anyone else and having a jump on the specs as they ran an article on how a 4tflop would handle games well before the console was announced.
They were in fact quite sceptical about the Series S in that video, that doesn't say to me they were being paid to promote an opinion.
They have also had access to The Coalition for sure and I think 343 also, so to be trusted by MS not to leak Series S they must have a trusted relationship.
Does this mean they are bent, I'm not convinced. To be paid to show the specs and performance of the Xbox One X when it was clearly the most powerful console on the planet at the time doesn't make them biased, the results were pretty much beyond question anyway due to the specs.
I'm sure Kingtrash did a hit piece on them at the time of Gears Ultimate, I don't know what people expected them to say, they went to The Coalition, saw the game and were told the information on how the game was made and repeated that information publicly, maybe Microsoft prefer an article from a third party as a lot of people just dismiss articles from company employees as meaningless.
Like I say I haven't seen the evidence but that's my take on it and I've seen plenty of stuff produced by DF that is far from what Microsoft would say themselves.

 

[kingfey]

Companies pays content creators to promote their products, in a positive ways.

Sony hid info of their upcoming games being on ps4 from the public.

MS on other hand, gave way too much xsx/xss consoles to the content creator's during the launch period. And these guy talked positive stuff about the console. Even low count sub users were getting the console.

Both MS and Sony have scummy ways to promote their products.

At the end of the day, plebs don't really care about it.

I play Playstation consoles for their exclusives. And I play xbox consoles for gamepass games. That is all that matters to me.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I don't care what the mods got. I won't be seeing that. I'm asking if we were ever given anything beyond vague language implying stuff.

Doesn't seem so vague to me. What information are you looking for?

 

[Spukc]

Clearly you have never played the game. You get more control over the camera and DoF settings, but the graphics are still the same.

Legit turn on you game right meow.
Look at the RT effects move the camera a bit in photomode and watch it load in.

All the crazy eyecandy loads in later.
Just like in GT SPORTS

No the game is still really good looking
And yes i 100% the game. Not that it matters

 

[sircaw]

I don't know why I got tagged in this but here is my opinion.
Looking back on the DF videos about the Xbox One X launch you can see Richard clearly say several times he was flown to Seattle for an exclusive look at Scorpio. I presume this was all at Microsofts expense and I don't see why they should turn an opportunity like that down, an in depth look at a console before launch and a jump on the competition on performance and the set up of the chip.
I haven't seen the "evidence" and if it claims that members of DF personally took money, or that they had expenses paid for these sort of in depth looks at new consoles, or that DF was paid to produce articles about the make up of new consoles.
However we do know DF have had in depth looks at more recent hardware with them seeing Series S before anyone else and having a jump on the specs as they ran an article on how a 4tflop would handle games well before the console was announced.
They were in fact quite sceptical about the Series S in that video, that doesn't say to me they were being paid to promote an opinion.
They have also had access to The Coalition for sure and I think 343 also, so to be trusted by MS not to leak Series S they must have a trusted relationship.
Does this mean they are bent, I'm not convinced. To be paid to show the specs and performance of the Xbox One X when it was clearly the most powerful console on the planet at the time doesn't make them biased, the results were pretty much beyond question anyway due to the specs.
I'm sure Kingtrash did a hit piece on them at the time of Gears Ultimate, I don't know what people expected them to say, they went to The Coalition, saw the game and were told the information on how the game was made and repeated that information publicly, maybe Microsoft prefer an article from a third party as a lot of people just dismiss articles from company employees as meaningless.
Like I say I haven't seen the evidence but that's my take on it and I've seen plenty of stuff produced by DF that is far from what Microsoft would say themselves.

I tagged you cos you're are an integral part of this forum and your totally unbiased opinion is always welcome.

And with note, it's time for turkey.

 

[DevilHunterX0]

Eh, photo mode or not, that's still the games engine in real time.

Praise goes where it's earned.



Pardon my ignorance but which game are you talking about ? It sounds like any number of open world AC games lol

Microsoft Flight Simulator

 

[oldergamer]

Halo Infinite is not ugly now but definitely not at the top of graphics.

fully agree. I still think they should have stuck with unreal to give the engine development more time.

 

[rofif]

I lost the narrative.
Are we asking if Df is bought by ms?
I used to think this way but no way.
They would need to disclose it. I work in a big corporate. Breaking the law jest does not happen is this huge corporate company like that. There are too scared of anything to even ask.

Sending gifts is order thing but a deal? I would be really surprised.

And ratchet won. Deservedly no halo there. That’s all the proof. I would personally not even put forza so close to top 3 or at all

 

[adamsapple]

Microsoft Flight Simulator

Gotcha, it came out last year originally, that's why I don't think it's mentioned this year.

I guess you missed the launch fiasco where they were completely butthurt that they didn’t get a PS5 to breakdown? They got a series x though.

By they do you mean DF ? Ok, I wouldn't say 'butthurt' but it should have been on Sony to send them a test unit. MS is usually good about sending out units.

I lost the narrative.
Are we asking if Df is bought by ms?
I used to think this way but no way.
They would need to disclose it. I work in a big corporate. Breaking the law jest does not happen is this huge corporate company like that. There are too scared of anything to even ask.

Yes the current narrative is that Microsoft may or may not have bought off DF/Richard/John 3 years ago, or at least paid them a bribe or something (??) but we don't know where the evidence it. The user who posted this has also said they can't verify it anymore.

So, it's not even a case of he said she said, it's just trusting a users word with no real evidence to back it up.

Again, keep in mind that users were calling DF "MS Shills" in a topic where PS5 games got 2 of the top 3 spots. The narrative is embedded so deep that even in a 'win', it still pops up.

 

[FrankWza]

By they do you mean DF ? Ok, I wouldn't say 'butthurt' but it should have been on Sony to send them a test unit. MS is usually good about sending out units.

Read between the lines.

 

[DarkMage619]

That's the thing, almost every other topic about DF has the same bad faith actors using the same bad faith "but DF are MS shills" arguments.

It's .. tiring .. to say the least.

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I absolutely hate that I'm bringing up Heisenberg over and over, I'm sure they're a great poster otherwise, but this half-baked 'evidence' kerfuffle has just been a shitshow.

The thing is you can always count on Frank to argue things in bad faith. You've seen him in action in just about every Xbox thread.

We have to accept that there has always been and will probably always be scepticism regarding the Xbox platform. Many people never wanted it to exist at all and wish for it to disappear now. If they can find a reason to cast doubt they will. At this point just enjoy the games and push back against lies when they pop up. We'll never fully know the truth here.

You should talk to your boy up there that started this before we got a page in because he’s annoyed they are praising next gen only games on a system he supposedly owns. Par for the course. Just like the face off threads that show the PS5 ahead and turn into rdna or vrr discussions.

I clearly said Ratchet was a nice looking game Frank how did you get annoyed from that? MORE bad faith arguments? You can speculate all you want about the consoles I own but you DEFINITELY don't own a Series console yet you manage to find yourself in just about every Xbox thread to spread 'cheer'. At least I speak on what I own perhaps you'll start one day.

 

[Snake29]

Legit turn on you game right meow.
Look at the RT effects move the camera a bit in photomode and watch it load in.

All the crazy eyecandy loads in later.
Just like in GT SPORTS

No the game is still really good looking
And yes i 100% the game. Not that it matters

There is no "crazy" eyecandy that is only visible in photomode.

 

[Thebonehead]

Should ask for their money back with that top 3 that's been chosen

 

[ckaneo]

I don't know why I got tagged in this but here is my opinion.
Looking back on the DF videos about the Xbox One X launch you can see Richard clearly say several times he was flown to Seattle for an exclusive look at Scorpio. I presume this was all at Microsofts expense and I don't see why they should turn an opportunity like that down, an in depth look at a console before launch and a jump on the competition on performance and the set up of the chip.
I haven't seen the "evidence" and if it claims that members of DF personally took money, or that they had expenses paid for these sort of in depth looks at new consoles, or that DF was paid to produce articles about the make up of new consoles.
However we do know DF have had in depth looks at more recent hardware with them seeing Series S before anyone else and having a jump on the specs as they ran an article on how a 4tflop would handle games well before the console was announced.
They were in fact quite sceptical about the Series S in that video, that doesn't say to me they were being paid to promote an opinion.
They have also had access to The Coalition for sure and I think 343 also, so to be trusted by MS not to leak Series S they must have a trusted relationship.
Does this mean they are bent, I'm not convinced. To be paid to show the specs and performance of the Xbox One X when it was clearly the most powerful console on the planet at the time doesn't make them biased, the results were pretty much beyond question anyway due to the specs.
I'm sure Kingtrash did a hit piece on them at the time of Gears Ultimate, I don't know what people expected them to say, they went to The Coalition, saw the game and were told the information on how the game was made and repeated that information publicly, maybe Microsoft prefer an article from a third party as a lot of people just dismiss articles from company employees as meaningless.
Like I say I haven't seen the evidence but that's my take on it and I've seen plenty of stuff produced by DF that is far from what Microsoft would say themselves.

Everything you posted, is my EXACT point in asking for more context around the accusations. Why are we suppose to accept some leaker and mods being vague about bullshit on the context that someone would get fired for something that they've already leaked. Seriously, read this from the mods who has seen it.

Think of the well known select auto makers in auto magazines example- not dissimilar.

lol, are you seriously telling me you guys bullshit meter senses didnt go tingling.

Do I seriously need to give you guys tips on how to present your leaks instead of this clout/boys club bullshit? Only videogame leakers pull this nonsense. Seriously go read some leaks from literally any other industry and see if this flies.

 

[adamsapple]

Read between the lines.

I'm reading both between the lines and the actual lines themselves and .. I'm sorry but the DF are butthurt thing doesn't hold any merit.

Their SX review was on Nov 5th

Xbox Series X review: next generation games machine, continuity console - or both?

Microsoft's new flagship console has arrived, and Digital Foundry is here with the authoritative verdict on Xbox Series…

www.eurogamer.net

Their PS5 review was on Nov 7th

PlayStation 5 review: welcome to the next generation

The Digital Foundry verdict: Sony has delivered a hugely impressive, premium machine with great games that really feels like it ushers in a new generation of ga

www.eurogamer.net

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They had access to both console days or week(s) before retail. This looks like another case of 'reading what people want to read'.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Everything you posted, is my EXACT point in asking for more context around the accusations. Why are we suppose to accept some leaker and mods being vague about bullshit on the context that someone would get fired for something that they've already leaked. Seriously, read this from the mods who has seen it.


lol, are you seriously telling me you guys bullshit meter senses didnt go tingling.

Do I seriously need to give you guys tips on how to present your leaks instead of this clout/boys club bullshit? Only videogame leakers pull this nonsense. Seriously go read some leaks from literally any other industry and see if this flys.

Assuming everything looked legitimate.

Why would Xbox feed him with false information?

Just curious as to why they would do something like this if true.

 

[Topher]

I lost the narrative.
Are we asking if Df is bought by ms?
I used to think this way but no way.
They would need to disclose it. I work in a big corporate. Breaking the law jest does not happen is this huge corporate company like that. There are too scared of anything to even ask.

Sending gifts is order thing but a deal? I would be really surprised.

This is the crux of it.

Also during the said transcripts I shared it also shows Xbox brass saying John was the least likely to be swayed (though without digging through messages I can not remember the exact wording) as they knew John wouldn't be "bought"


The "recruiting" began with the Xbox One X deep dive and its not like they were 100% bought to sell Xbox they were just swayed to be more pro Xbox and of course they accepted the money

 

[Spitfire098]

Is this still a graphics thread?

 

[ckaneo]

Assuming everything looked legitimate.

Why would Xbox feed him with false information?

Just curious as to why they would do something like this if true.

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying? Why would xbox feed anything here?