mckmas8808
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We need both though. VR only games and games that have better experiences on VR, but are also playable without VR.
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Oculus Quest 2 has sold 10 million units
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We need both though. VR only games and games that have better experiences on VR, but are also playable without VR.
GHG
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That's... Not true for most of the games he listed. I also listed a bunch of games above that require VR. You're lost.
Ok, so scratch that, you're just an immature child.
Assumption 1 - "Other than Half Life Alyx and Microsoft Flight Simulator" it's lacking "killer apps".
I list a bunch of games more popular than Flight Sim (which you threw into the "killer app" category BTW) in VR and suddenly they don't count?
Assumption 2 - "we can't say VR has gone mainstream yet"
In addition to all the information provided above have a chew on this:
Source:
How the metaverse won Christmas
Meta, Facebook's parent company, had the most popular app in Apple's App Store on Christmas: the Oculus VR app.
www.cnbc.com
The companion app was being downloaded more than tiktok, YouTube, Snapchat, instagram, all the console apps, etc. But yet, you still want to maintain the stance that it's "not mainstream"?
You should be open to allowing your assumptions to be challenged, if not then discussion forums probably aren't the place for you.
GHG
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The problem with saying xxx% of games are "trash" or words to that effect is that it also applies to pretty much every open videogames storefront in existence. The same can be said for Steam and the mobile app stores. What's important is that the quality game experiences that you can have thoroughly outshine all the fodder available, at which point the cream will naturally rise to the top. Nobody is talking about or demoing the shallow, derivative (and outright broken) experiences, and rightly so.
Romulus
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Its not straightforward youre right, but people were extremely quick to compare console and VR sales for years. But now that VR is outselling most every console ever made its unfair somehow. Not saying thats your argument but you get the idea.
GHG
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I do as well, it's just a fact of the open ended nature of these things.
But personally I'll take that over having things being overly curated for me. I always like to be the one to decide whether or not something is worth my time and money, not someone else. I also think allowing indie developers to have a route to publish without them having to jump through too many hoops is important - most of the creativity and innovation comes from indie devs these days.
Marvel14
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I wasn't making assumptions. I was making a proposition: that VR will be truly mainstream when 2 conditions are satisfied: enough gamers use it regularly as a main gaming device on par with a traditional console or a pc and when there are at least 10 broad cross genre killer apps "must plays in VR" that effectively sell systems to a mass of gamers with recognisable brands. Skyrim VR and RE4 don't do that as they can be played fine without VR and most of the VR exclusive titles you mentioned don't have mass market recognition or appeal yet.That's... Not true for most of the games he listed. I also listed a bunch of games above that require VR. You're lost.
Ok, so scratch that, you're just an immature child.
Assumption 1 - "Other than Half Life Alyx and Microsoft Flight Simulator" it's lacking "killer apps".
I list a bunch of games more popular than Flight Sim (which you threw into the "killer app" category BTW) in VR and suddenly they don't count?
Assumption 2 - "we can't say VR has gone mainstream yet"
In addition to all the information provided above have a chew on this:
Source:
How the metaverse won Christmas
Meta, Facebook's parent company, had the most popular app in Apple's App Store on Christmas: the Oculus VR app.
The companion app was being downloaded more than tiktok, YouTube, Snapchat, instagram, all the console apps, etc. But yet, you still want to maintain the stance that it's "not mainstream"?
You should be open to allowing your assumptions to be challenged, if not then discussion forums probably aren't the place for you.
Instead of engaging with my proposiitons and arguing why they are wrong you present alternative metrics. But not for consideration, rather as self evident facts that don't require discussion.
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I’m in complete disbelief that anyone on an enthusiast gaming forum can say that Wii Sports wasn’t a massive system seller and a killer app for the Wii.
Ditto Bear Saber for untethered VR.
There should be some sort of gamer cred revocation or something for making these arguments.
Romulus
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I wasn't making assumptions. I was making a proposition: that VR will be truly mainstream when 2 conditions are satisfied: enough gamers use it regularly as a main gaming device on par with a traditional console or a pc and when there are at least 10 broad cross genre killer apps "must plays in VR" that effectively sell systems to a mass of gamers with recognisable brands. Skyrim VR and RE4 don't do that as they can be played fine without VR and most of the VR exclusive titles you mentioned don't have mass market recognition or appeal yet.
Instead of engaging with my proposiitons and arguing why they are wrong you present alternative metrics. But not for consideration, rather as self evident facts that don't require discussion.
I'm still trying to understand your requirements.
Quest 2 is on course to do those console numbers, its literally beating down all the console sales except 2-3 standouts in first year sales. And the thread is about a NEW device, being only a year old. Why would it already have this massive library of exclusives considering that? Seems unfair considering PS3, PS4, PS5 and many other devices that had a lackluster first year. I honestly think the Quest 2 lineup is superior to many consoles first year.
Marvel14
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Yup...it wouldn't surprise me if Quest 2 made the breakthrough. I am just saying that it hasn't done so yet.
There are folk in this thread saying "10 million sold in a year, more than supply constrained consoles as well as lots of related downloads and surveys all conclusively prove that VR is now mainstream gaming " All I'm saying is "not yet, its too early but here's how we can confirm when it happens"
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Marvel14
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Yes but I am proposing a criterion for VR to reach mainstream status: 10 killer apps/ system sellers across a broad array of gaming genres.
MrFunSocks
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Yeah the only device that will make said "breakthrough" is something like the Quest - wireless, cheap, accessible, and by a big brand that people love - and lets be clear, more people like facebook than hate it (by probably a factor of a million to 1).
The Quest 2 is doing really well, it made me buy one purely because it's not tethered, it's not an extravagant price, and I can use it by itself or with my PC.
Romulus
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MrFunSocks
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It's pretty cool, though I haven't used it too much due to lack of free/cheap games. Almost everything on there seems to be like $50 or so. Pretty cool for watching netflix, and google earth is pretty damn amazing on it.
Icymanipulator
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Now that I have a PS5 I’m curious about VR2.
Romulus
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Have you used a referral code to get your $60 credit? Pm me if not.
MrFunSocks
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Yeh already did sorry. Got AUD$48
GHG
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I wasn't making assumptions. I was making a proposition: that VR will be truly mainstream when 2 conditions are satisfied: enough gamers use it regularly as a main gaming device on par with a traditional console or a pc and when there are at least 10 broad cross genre killer apps "must plays in VR" that effectively sell systems to a mass of gamers with recognisable brands. Skyrim VR and RE4 don't do that as they can be played fine without VR and most of the VR exclusive titles you mentioned don't have mass market recognition or appeal yet.
Instead of engaging with my proposiitons and arguing why they are wrong you present alternative metrics. But not for consideration, rather as self evident facts that don't require discussion.
And you are yet to consider the fact that it's going mainstream without satisfying either of your arbitrary conditions. Like I said, gaming is far broader than what you see on these forums and VR is creating a new generation of gamers who aren't interested in (and never were going to be interested in) the "traditional" gaming franchises that people here obsess over. Do mobile gamers have the same habits and/or play the same games as console gamers?
A narrow minded approach where you ignore the games that are currently available on the system along with ignoring the signals that exist in the broader market (such as the app store metrics, videos of kids receiving their quests going viral on social media, videos of people trying their quests for the first time going viral, etc), means that you're forcing everything into an artificial box that somehow suits your narrative. There are no alternative metrics, the data I've presented you with are the metrics, hence the worlds financial media are reporting on them. You would know that if you bothered to read the article instead of dismissing everything:
The points you argue aren't substantiative, they are all based on personal feelings. The irony is that if you'd actually gone through some of the sources I've provided there's plenty of discussion points there which would have enabled you to come up with previous examples of technology to support your broader argument.
The question isn't whether or not the quest has gone mainstream, we are well past that stage. The question now turns to whether or not this surge in sales over the last 12 months is sustainable and whether or not it's just a fad.
Stitch
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VeganElduderino
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Does it still require facebook ?
Punished Miku
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I've not encountered a $50 game honestly. The only two expensive ones I wanted are RE4 and Walking Dead which were $40.
Cheap games I've seen in the last week around $15:
- Rez Infinite
- WWI Planes (forget what its called)
- Walkabout mini-golf
- Gorn
- Vader Immoral Trilogy was $15 total
- ZeroCalibur was on sale
- Super Hot was $17
- Moss was $20
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Wonko_C
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This is what worries me about Sony's approach to hybrid games on NGVR. Most people will not go out of their way to buy a headset to play Uncharted 5/GoW/Spider-Man in VR when they have the option to just play them on the TV they already have. These games won't really translate into more headsets sold.
As much as I would prefer those games to go VR-exclusive so people feel compelled to buy a headset, the reality is that would only end up making players angry because they won't be able to play the next entries in their favorite franchises. The outrage at Half-Life Alyx was something to behold.
mckmas8808
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You are forgetting that some people would "choose" to play in the VR mode with some of the big AAA games. It happened with RE VII 100%! The thing is.......the whole game needs to be made with VR in mind. And that's something I "DON'T" want for GoW, Uncharted 5, or Spiderman.
fart town usa
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I plan on getting one because it's pretty cheap considering it's an all-inclusive VR machine.
Looking at their website though, worse design imaginable. Try finding a list of the games available... It's impossible from what I can tell. Or maybe there really are only 40 or so games available on the platform. If that's the case, 99% of them look like trash. RE4 VR is the only thing I'm interested in.
Looking at their website though, worse design imaginable. Try finding a list of the games available... It's impossible from what I can tell. Or maybe there really are only 40 or so games available on the platform. If that's the case, 99% of them look like trash. RE4 VR is the only thing I'm interested in.
CrustyBritches
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They designed the website so when you scroll to the bottom of the section it loads the next section. 'Browse All' is at the bottom after loading 4 sections, or so. There's a lot more than 40 games on the store, and there's plenty of good games to choose from.
Browse Browse all VR Games on Meta Quest
www.oculus.com
Then there's the old 'applab.games' link that now seems to forward you to SideQuest. This allows you to browse and link to games directly in the Quest 2 store for download. There's a bunch of fun games on there, many of them free.
SideQuest: Oculus Quest Games & Apps including AppLab Games ( Oculus App Lab )
SideQuest is the early access layer for Virtual Reality. Get access to the latest Oculus Quest Games, Oculus App Lab games & lots of free apps on applab and sideload.
sidequestvr.com
Iced Arcade
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I got beat saber, vader immortal series and RE4... any other recommendations?
fart town usa
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Much appreciated, "Browse All" is exactly what I was looking for, lol.They designed the website so when you scroll to the bottom of the section it loads the next section. 'Browse All' is at the bottom after loading 4 sections, or so. There's a lot more than 40 games on the store, and there's plenty of good games to choose from.
Browse Browse all VR Games on Meta Quest
Then there's the old 'applab.games' link that now seems to forward you to SideQuest. This allows you to browse and link to games directly in the Quest 2 store for download. There's a bunch of fun games on there, many of them free.
SideQuest: Oculus Quest Games & Apps including AppLab Games ( Oculus App Lab )
SideQuest is the early access layer for Virtual Reality. Get access to the latest Oculus Quest Games, Oculus App Lab games & lots of free apps on applab and sideload.
I'll be sure to give it another look.
Romulus
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darthvargi
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There are a lot of great games but I agree with you. I mean it's obviously selling so whoever is running marketing is doing something right or they're chasing a different demographic than traditional gamers but I agree with the poor representation of what's on the platform.
Many of my friends think of VR being another Wii motion controller fad and the marketing sort of reinforces that. I wish they'd showcase more of the more traditional games like Sinners and Saints and even something like Zero Caliber Reloaded to get that audience as well.
CrustyBritches
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The Fanatical Quest VR Bundle is $15 and you get a 60%-off coupon for Zero Caliber: Reloaded that makes it $10, so you pay $25 and get Zombieland: Headshot Fever and Zero Caliber: Reloaded, plus a bunch of other games you might find interesting.
The Quest New Year Sale is going right now with many of the most popular Quest 2 games on discount. I recommend Gun Club for $16. It's a great showcase game if you're playing with friends or family.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Yeh Aussie prices here sorry.
Marvel14
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Just a tip, but when you call people delusional plus other choice descriptors and declare that their points are not substantive yet manage to out argue yourself and make their point for them, you come across as not credible, tiresome and fundamentally not worth engaging with.
Going mainstream means exactly what you admit at the end that you cannot yet claim: that it is not a flash in the pan fad but a legitimate and sustained alternative gaming interface. That's been my entire point through your inane put downs and dismissive and tone deaf attitude. Would you say the Wii Balance Board went mainstream and is now a legit alternative gaming approach just because It sold tens of millions of units for a couple of years? If you do then for you going mainstream is indistinguishable from a sales fad and there's nothing to argue: 10 million units sold is mainstream acceptance by definition!
I had to re read your last sentence. I seriously couldn't believe what I was reading...
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Romulus
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I think the balance board comparison is really shitty. Wii is not a device that can do hardcore games or simulators, its confined to casual outside of a few forced exceptions. VR thrives at hardcore and casual, and does sims better than traditional gaming and casual better than Wii.
Kinect had a similar problem but a better comparison. But still, it was far too restricted to one type of gaming.
The sales graph is also very different, VR has slowly increased for the last 5 yeara before taking off, whereas kinect surged and died. 3dtv was similar.
VR is very different looking at its graph, its a continuous arc upwards, steeper and steeper.
Marvel14
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To be clear, I am not saying BB is similar or comparable to VR except in one way: that it provides a new interface and an alternative way to play.
And you make an excellent additional point: a sustained medium term upward sales trajectory strongly suggests that we are seeing a permanent structural shift in the gaming market.. This makes GHG's sales fad admission even more bizarre.
Still think my two criteria are the sort of thing which would confirm that the shift is permanent though....
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The point everyone is making is your criteria is arbitrary - i.e pulled out from you arse (ass). How did you come up with those metrics?
GHG
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Jesus christ... I'm not "arguing myself out of a point", this isn't chess you moron. It's simply exploring a potential future scenario, literally the very thing you should be doing if you're going to sit here and argue against the gathering momentum VR is experiencing right now. Due to your clear lack of critical thinking skills you came in the hope of confirmation bias (which you didn't receive so you've just ended up being thoroughly disappointed and lashed out at the first opportunity you got). There are two potential future scenarios - the momentum continues or it slows - both can be discussed.
I knew there would come a point where you'd bring up some shitty Nintendo hardware as an example, just typical. It's not even close to being the same thing. Sales numbers are not looked at in a vacuum, 10 million in a single year when it's the main piece of hardware (not an add-on peripheral for a platform that has already sold 10's of millions) is a lot and the 10 million was prior to the more recently discussed surge.
If you want to talk about Nintendo examples then let's look at the Wii. Over 100 million units sold and it still managed to be a fad. Something becoming a fad doesn't prevent it from being mainstream, they are not mutually exclusive. Fitbits were also a fad - over 110 million sold.
Some more stuff for you regarding it being mainstream by the way, if you want to say that it's not then argue against these points individually (good luck):
Top 7 things we want to see from Meta and the Oculus Quest 2 in 2022
The Quest 2 has grown significantly in 2021, and we're hoping that Meta takes it to the moon in 2022.
www.androidcentral.com
There was no "fad admission". You can't read, but we already knew that.
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Buggy Loop
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If a VR developer not porting his game on stand-alone Quest 2 at the moment is probably missing out on a ton of cash. Sure it helps PCVR sales too, but I’m pretty sure most (as in Christmas gifts), are exploring the stand-alone store first and foremost.
Marvel14
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First you have to say whether you agree with the premise that we need metrics that show that the structure of the gaming industry has permanently altered with VR as either an alternative on a par with other interfaces or as the emerging preeminent interface of the future (either one works).
If you do then you need to look for metrics that describe a change in structure. I just picked an obvious one for consumer behaviour and preferences(demand) and another fairly obvious one for the supply offering of the VR interface to be as deep and broad and a driver of hardware sales as there exists for consoles. I never claimed that I had the precise correct indicators. In fact a discussion on this point would itself be interesting.
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Romulus
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I do think the point about something being mainstream temporarily is a good point. The Wii was a colossal success, and no doubt mainstream, but it wasn't some replacement for traditional gaming. VR could go the same way, but what makes it very different is VR technology has a duality that most other forms of technology can't match. It does hardcore and causal really well, all the while getting smaller and more comfortable with better and better games. Not to mention that the biggest bank in the world backing it, and a helluva a starting point with Quest 1 and 2.
The constant upward sales graph also indicates success. The people predicting the next 3dTV were dead wrong.
The constant upward sales graph also indicates success. The people predicting the next 3dTV were dead wrong.
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ZehDon
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According to Steam's most recent hardware survey, Quest 2 basically walked in and took over the PC VR space, now accounting for 36.32% of the PC VR market. In fact, it has more market share than the next two most popular Headsets combined, one of which is Facebook's own Rift S.
Facebook's approach to VR has clearly struck a chord.
Facebook's approach to VR has clearly struck a chord.
MrFunSocks
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I played some Beat Sabre and Super Hot on my Quest 2 last night, along with some of my friends who came around for New Years, and everyone had a blast with it. Super Hot is so much better in VR than on Xbox. I was going to buy Beat Sabre until I googled the track list and saw that it’s just all original music, not like rock band etc. Paying AUD$50 for that is a bit of a tough sell especially when the dlc isn’t plentiful or much to my taste.
Punished Miku
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Yeah I got Super Hot and played it on the TV initially and lost interest after an hour. Got it again in VR and it's one of the most insane gaming experiences I've ever had. Basically doing combat training in the Matrix.
Hopefully they're working on a sequel at some point.
FullMetalx117
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I bought one for Black Friday. Everyone is blown away from my grandparents/uncles/aunts to my younger cousins. Well done Meta, it’s a hit
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Shai-Tan
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I think we're still in first gen vr. They can make the screens better etc but what would really set vr apart is more accurate interaction. Wand aiming is more fun than controller or mouse to me but other interaction is often only slightly better than the "e" button (with slightly less auto aim). When the controllers/gloves/physics systems/whatever get better longer term vr will have its own paradigm.
Sleepwalker
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What I would really like to see is a proper VR MMO. Figure we are still ways away from it tho.