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[S0ULZB0URNE]

I already said I didn't feel anything was a stand out for 2021. I even said I wouldn't have even made a best of for graphics tech.

I don't got a choice for the GOTY but if someone asked me, I would have to think and give a answer.

But if someone asked me what the best visuals in 2021 are... Id gladly give the answer.

 

[tommib]

Picturized. Riky and VFXVeteran fighting off the onslaught.

Here comes Ricky’s mama.

 

[VFXVeteran]

I don't got a choice for the GOTY but if someone asked me, I would have to think and give a answer.

But if someone asked me what the best visuals in 2021 are... Id gladly give the answer.

I just don't have one man. It is what it is.

 

[bender]

At this point, I don't care.

 

[SlimySnake]

Interesting, if they could swap at least main player model with this super high quality one on ps5

There is precedence for this. ND used cutscene models for the PS4 remaster of the PS3 version of the last of us. I thought it was a great way to take advantage of the extra horsepower of the PS4 GPU beyond just doing a straight 1080p 60 fps remaster. It's a shame so many of the PS5 upgrades dont do this.

More detailed high-resolution character models will be the standard throughout The Last of Us Remastered, with developers using renders previously used only in cutscenes for the game's PlayStation 3 version, creative director Neil Druckmann told Edge.

In the magazine's latest issue, as reported by CVG, cutscene-quality character models won't be restricted to cutscenes; the graphical power of the PlayStation 4 is allowing Naughty Dog to use them freely throughout the game without worrying about the game's visual fidelity. For the PS3 original, these detailed renders were used only in cutscenes, then swapped out for lower-resolution versions when transitioning back into gameplay — a trick designed to make the game's more cinematic, dramatic moments look better.

"We don't build it with high assets in mind to then port it, but it did give us a leg up," Druckmann said, explaining the PS4 is allowing developer Naughty Dog to use these higher-quality assets by default. "If we hadn't done that, we might not have made the call to bring it over to PS4."

I just hope Aloy's hero lighting becomes standard for even next gen only games like Ratchet. Movies do this. You will almost never find bad lighting on characters unless the directors wants it to be dark. Even then so many directors and cinematographers go out of their way to light at least half of the face properly.

 

[bargeparty]

I thought VFX was leaving the thread

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I thought VFX was leaving the thread

We all know the man's addicted to the drama. He'll just keep coming back for more

 

[Loope]

Sony fan? I am a fan of many gaming machines.
You are just mad Sony's consoles have put out better visuals then your PC's and this is reflected by it's punnie consoles beating PC in awards years after years.

You didn't watch me, this is my only account since being here.
I was a on and off dweller for years.
I do have accounts at other places that you been however...


You are wrong but to much of a arrogant prick to admit it? Ok
You self inflict everything people give you.

You're not a sony fan?

 

[adamsapple]

Here comes Ricky’s mama.

Adding pictures to my post that I didn't include is not kosher, come on man.

 

[Loope]

I am not really a part of this discussion but nobody is attacking anybody.
You made a statement and other people posted their opinion and examples why they don't agree (including me)
You are free to post your reasoning and examples. That's what the thread is about.
I guarantee nobody will bother you, if you can back up your statements. You usually do just that so I am not sure what's happening today ?

edit: If You just went hyperbolic, then it's also ok. Just don't keep going in that direciton.

Err, you sure about that? The guy adressed NXgamer's post and gave his technical opinion and why he thinks the fur is not all that ( I think R&C deserves the accolades) and yet at least 3 people engage him with jokes and offsite accusations. The same people that used to stomp all over Xbox threads are now playing victim of the big bad VFXveteran wolf.

He talked about games in general, he didn't say a thing about being a sony game (this time) and yet people are acting like he said:"all sony games are ugly as shit"

 

[arvfab]

I've said enough, so I'll take my leave.

 

[PropellerEar]

Power your Dreams:

Picturized. Riky and VFXVeteran fighting off the onslaught.

Reality:

 

[bargeparty]

Err, you sure about that? The guy adressed NXgamer's post and gave his technical opinion and why he thinks the fur is not all that ( I think R&C deserves the accolades) and yet at least 3 people engage him with jokes and offsite accusations. The same people that used to stomp all over Xbox threads are now playing victim of the big bad VFXveteran wolf.

He talked about games in general, he didn't say a thing about being a sony game (this time) and yet people are acting like he said:"all sony games are ugly as shit"

He does it all the time, which is why people are tired of his schtick.

I think VFX's problem is he keeps approaching this like, not being impressed or appreciating how far Hyundai has come because he's owned the best $150k Mercedes already. He claims all this work he's done and how Pixar's latest CG is so much better than Ratchet and Clank and blah blah, while disregarding how great it looks, how far the games have come visually, and how much better they will be in the future.

He's just all "well it's not as good as X so it's crap" and cites some shit nobody truly cares about because we're just trying to enjoy and appreciate what we currently have available, today.


Could be wrong, but I also don't give enough of a shit.

 

[bargeparty]

I don't got a choice for the GOTY but if someone asked me, I would have to think and give a answer.

But if someone asked me what the best visuals in 2021 are... Id gladly give the answer.

He's lying or contradicting himself, he already said it was Metro Exodus.

Best Graphics Technology for me for 2021 is by far Metro Exodus's pure RT implementation. R&C has everything going on for it with artistic direction. I'm betting that the switching of worlds can be done without the PS5's SSD. The RT reflections aren't enough to put the game in the top spot for best graphics technology.

 

[Loope]

He does it all the time, which is why people are tired of his schtick.

I think VFX's problem is he keeps approaching this like, not being impressed or appreciating how far Hyundai has come because he's owned the best $150k Mercedes already. He claims all this work he's done and how Pixar's latest CG is so much better than Ratchet and Clank and blah blah, while disregarding how great it looks, how far the games have come visually, and how much better they will be in the future.

He's just all "well it's not as good as X so it's crap" and cites some shit nobody truly cares about because we're just trying to enjoy and appreciate what we currently have available, today.


Could be wrong, but I also don't give enough of a shit.

Yes but in the end it's just an opinion. Although he does have the technical background some guys just like to say what they feel about stuff. As long as he doesn't troll or something like that, i think it's ok for him to not be impressed. It happens in a lot of fields, gaming is the only place i see people get all worked up.

To be fair, the bolded part is mainly what he referrs to. He said the same about RT, now that it's here and you can see it in games, people are impressed. Same thing with this tech, further down the line people will be impressed with better fur, maybe in the next ND game(not fur but hair in general).

 

[Hobbygaming]

Why do you Sony fans try your best to attack my character instead of the discussion at hand when I don't "see" what you "see"? It's automatically an attack because you can't defend what you don't have knowledge of. It's sad.

Speaking of bans, I've watched all year how many of you got banned and tried to come back in under different usernames. Don't think because I didn't post that I didn't see the bans happening. So the lot of you get banned all the time as well. Again, you derail the thread by trying to get off subject by attacking me. It's your technique on getting me banned. Pathetic.

You: Wolf
Gaf: Lady

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Yes but in the end it's just an opinion. Although he does have the technical background some guys just like to say what they feel about stuff. As long as he doesn't troll or something like that, i think it's ok for him to not be impressed. It happens in a lot of fields, gaming is the only place i see people get all worked up.

To be fair, the bolded part is mainly what he referrs to. He said the same about RT, now that it's here and you can see it in games, people are impressed. Same thing with this tech, further down the line people will be impressed with better fur, maybe in the next ND game(not fur but hair in general).

Dude he's trolling. He's fully aware of the fundamental differences between video games and movies but that doesn't stop him from shitting on the former.

 

[Polygonal_Sprite]

I kinda kinda get what vfx is saying. I have never liked these different LODs for the main character in games. I thought the ssd would fix that by having higher quality assets and models in memory at all times. Yes, the gpu would still have to render that higher LOD model at all times but I’d rather they do that than waste the gpu resources on rendering native 4k pixels.

I love what gg is doing with Aloys hero lighting. You are basically getting cutscene quality lighting in gameplay. I think every next Gen game needs to do this.

P.s i recall making a comparison using Ellies face while riding a horse. It looks like shit devoid of any detail. When you put her up close she looks very close to the cutscene model apart from the lighting. Nah they should use the best lod model for the main character at all times and add hero lighting. She’s the main attraction and needs to look best.

99% of people don't spin the camera around and try to see the characters face rendering in a third person action game. It would be a complete waste of precious resources.

 

[Hobbygaming]

 

[VFXVeteran]

Yes but in the end it's just an opinion. Although he does have the technical background some guys just like to say what they feel about stuff. As long as he doesn't troll or something like that, i think it's ok for him to not be impressed. It happens in a lot of fields, gaming is the only place i see people get all worked up.

To be fair, the bolded part is mainly what he referrs to. He said the same about RT, now that it's here and you can see it in games, people are impressed. Same thing with this tech, further down the line people will be impressed with better fur, maybe in the next ND game(not fur but hair in general).

Thanks very much for saying what's going on here. It's good for someone to see behind the veil.

 

[JayDucker]

 

[isoRhythm]

Yes but in the end it's just an opinion. Although he does have the technical background some guys just like to say what they feel about stuff. As long as he doesn't troll or something like that, i think it's ok for him to not be impressed. It happens in a lot of fields, gaming is the only place i see people get all worked up.

To be fair, the bolded part is mainly what he referrs to. He said the same about RT, now that it's here and you can see it in games, people are impressed. Same thing with this tech, further down the line people will be impressed with better fur, maybe in the next ND game(not fur but hair in general).

The problem is he's using extreme hyperbole to make his claims.

Ratchet's fur is "horrendous". Like really? You can say that you've seen better and that it looks good, but saying it's extremely bad is obviously going to make people question both your comment & your "vetted" status. If he really wanted to make his point he should have countered by showing other games with more impressive fur rendering technology.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

He's lying or contradicting himself, he already said it was Metro Exodus.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

You're not a sony fan?

Did you read what you quoted?

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Thanks very much for saying what's going on here. It's good for someone to see behind the veil.

 

[tommib]

Adding pictures to my post that I didn't include is not kosher, come on man.

Unintentional. Editing now.

Mama point remains.

 

[adamsapple]

Unintentional. Editing now.

Mama point remains.

Don't get my banned for things I didn't post is all I'mma asking

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I would agree. My mistake since people literally dissect all my words to try finding flaws or holes in it.

Let’s hope he doesn’t play the victim card again lol

Look above.

 

[Midn1ght]

Sony fan? I am a fan of many gaming machines.

I don't care to gain respect from any of you. You don't respect me in the slightest despite my career. At this point, I don't care.

 

[Topher]

I like the new guy

I don't care to gain respect from any of you. You don't respect me in the slightest despite my career. At this point, I don't care.

That is not how respect works, dude. Respect is not earned from a resume. Not going to say any more on that.

 

[Cyber_hunter026]

I've said enough, so I'll take my leave.

 

[Shmunter]

I kinda kinda get what vfx is saying. I have never liked these different LODs for the main character in games. I thought the ssd would fix that by having higher quality assets and models in memory at all times. Yes, the gpu would still have to render that higher LOD model at all times but I’d rather they do that than waste the gpu resources on rendering native 4k pixels.

I love what gg is doing with Aloys hero lighting. You are basically getting cutscene quality lighting in gameplay. I think every next Gen game needs to do this.

P.s i recall making a comparison using Ellies face while riding a horse. It looks like shit devoid of any detail. When you put her up close she looks very close to the cutscene model apart from the lighting. Nah they should use the best lod model for the main character at all times and add hero lighting. She’s the main attraction and needs to look best.

Games are always going to be doing smoke and mirror tricks to claw back as much performance as possible.

The trick is to hide it and make it seamless. LOD swaps will exists, and better memory pipeline should allow for better transitions.

You lose pixel density per object the further away it is from the camera, no need to be rendering a cgi quality model at this point - but zoom in and the top model should be instantly available and rendered within the frame budget. You don’t want to lose half your rendering time to the main character when they only take up 5% of the screen and vice versa.

 

[adamsapple]

To VFX's point, could it be that R&C adds fur when you toggle the photo mode even in 'game play' ?

Or is it there even during raw game play pictures too ?

 

[MasterCornholio]

To VFX's point, could it be that R&C adds fur when you toggle the photo mode even in 'game play' ?

Or is it there even during raw game play pictures too ?

I think in the end what matters is if its noticeable or not. I haven't really seen Ratchet loose a ton of fur at any given moment. Whatever LOD they are using its pretty much not noticeable.

Edit: Just an additional thought. I fail to see how a good LOD implementation can be seen as a negative.

 

[Topher]

To VFX's point, could it be that R&C adds fur when you toggle the photo mode even in 'game play' ?

Or is it there even during raw game play pictures too ?

Then every photo mode screenshot is just bullshit? At this point, this isn't just about R&C. This applies to all games.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

To VFX's point, could it be that R&C adds fur when you toggle the photo mode even in 'game play' ?

Or is it there even during raw game play pictures too ?

It's there during gameplay too, not just photomode

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

To VFX's point, could it be that R&C adds fur when you toggle the photo mode even in 'game play' ?

Or is it there even during raw game play pictures too ?

 

[adamsapple]

Aye man I'm just trying to give it a honest to god chance lol, VFX seems to believe the fur isn't there in game play, I'm sure he must have seen something somewhere to make that opinion.

 

[ethomaz]

To VFX's point, could it be that R&C adds fur when you toggle the photo mode even in 'game play' ?

Or is it there even during raw game play pictures too ?

The fur is there in gameplay without photo mode.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Aye man I'm just trying to give it a honest to god chance lol, VFX seems to believe the fur isn't there in game play, I'm sure he must have seen something somewhere to make that opinion.

So why haven't NXGamer or Digital Foundry mentioned it in their tech breakdowns?

 

[kikii]

Wait, no Halo on that list? The discord will be hearing about this!

 

[adamsapple]

So why haven't NXGamer or Digital Foundry mentioned it in their tech breakdowns?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Then if it does happen it's probably not noticeable. I'm sure both NXGamer and Digital Foundry review their footage so they would have spotted it if it was noticeable.

 

[SLB1904]

just a quick screenshot from youtube.

noticeable is your salt

Let's put this fur talk to rest. Thats why I took this screenshot from a random youtube video. Fur is present in gameplay and no moment goes away.

That's how fud starts even with tons of visual evidence some people try to push the narrative

 

[bender]

If only PS5 was as powerful as the Gamecube.

 

[ethomaz]

Aye man I'm just trying to give it a honest to god chance lol, VFX seems to believe the fur isn't there in game play, I'm sure he must have seen something somewhere to make that opinion.

The fur is there in gameplay… I mean you can fire up the game and see yourself.

 

[tommib]

Come on, guys. How old is Ratchet anyway? It’s clear he’s a middle age lombax by now. This is all bald-shaming. Before you know it, he’ll be showing up with a ridiculous combover on the next entry. No reason to provoke anxiety and make bald characters agonize about thinning hair.

 

[tmlDan]

If only PS5 was as powerful as the Gamecube.

i can see the fur, better than ratchet.

Imma go pick up a gamecube

Fuck next gen

 

[Arioco]

If only PS5 was as powerful as the Gamecube.

Fun fact: The fur in Star Fox Adventures does dissappear during gameplay, it's only present in cutscenes, unlike Ratchet.

VFX is not going to be happy.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Aye man I'm just trying to give it a honest to god chance lol, VFX seems to believe the fur isn't there in game play, I'm sure he must have seen something somewhere to make that opinion.

He has something and it's called a anti console tech vendetta.