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[HoofHearted]

And what concessions does Sony have to make to remain "desirable"?

Seems about right..

Apparently many here have a hard time discerning Executive speak... This is what Phil is really trying to say..

 

[ManaByte]

And didn't announce Starfield or Redfall, which maybe means they'll focus their post acquisition new ips on being (timed or total) console exclusive and their pre-acquisition IPs on being multi.

Spencer already said Elder Scrolls VI is exclusive.

 

[octiny]

No one may get a 2023 COD anyhow

Perfect timing on their end since that would essentially sully Sony's last year of the contract.

Unsure if there is a certain "number" of games that has to be released but the timing probably isn't a coincidence if they do take 1 year off for the rumored 2023 black ops title.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

AAAA AAAA AAAAA

No, just no! It won't!

 

[Topher]

By this logic why doesn't Sony publish God of War, Horizon, and GT7 on the Xbox? I'm sure they want Xbox fans' money as much if not more than PC and PS5 owners. They don't because you don't publish your biggest games on your competitor's consoles. That's why Bethesda and Activision games are going to be exclusive.

If your competitor's games will be running on your Azure servers, you certainly might. This is where Bethesda and Activision differ a bit.

 

[DJ12]

By this logic why doesn't Sony publish God of War, Horizon, and GT7 on the Xbox? I'm sure they want Xbox fans' money as much if not more than PC and PS5 owners. They don't because you don't publish your biggest games on your competitor's consoles. That's why Bethesda and Activision games are going to be exclusive.

Sony aren't the ones all in on a subscription service.

Microsoft have already explored the possibility of getting gamepass on PlayStation. Some of you are in denial.

Personally I could not care less about any ip Microsoft has acquired, but its clear they want gamepass on everything, including PlayStation.

 

[MScarpa]

You think Sony is on the verge of bankruptcy or something?

Not at all. Who said that? Like I said before, this hurts Sony way more than MS. Sony's best selling game for the last decade is COD. This is a big blow.

 

[MonarchJT]

“Our desire to have cod on PlayStation .....but PlayStation doesn’t want game pass. So shrugs .... keep playing warzone “

basically is this

 

[ManaByte]

Some of you are in denial.

 

[RoadHazard]

No one may get a 2023 COD anyhow

2023 COD is already deep in development, it's definitely happening (and MS won't even own ActiBlizzard until mid-2023, so they can't tell them what to do until then). 2024 might not though.

 

[Dr Bass]

I'm talking about what made the industry what it is.games and cod is the most important (lucrative) game in the world. Hardware and platforms without those important games fail no matter who you are . ...look at what was happening at the start of the Xbox one gen.
About the value of the division sure that on a selling the division would take more but also you will understand alone that the division of a 140b company can't be valued higher than the entire company right ? ahahah

Uhhh ... 140 billion is more than twice as much as 68 billion, and MS offered a pretty large premium on what Activision was valued at at the time of the announcement. The Playstation Brand is surely a large part of Sony's valuation and would also demand a large premium to sell.

"ahahah" ... Choo? Just sounded like you were about to sneeze there.

So out of nowhere COD is now the "MOST IMPORTANT" game in the world? That's one hell of a title that was pulled out of thin air. And again, it's just one franchise. It's better to have a lot of very successful and "lucrative" games than just one series, which is why companies like Sony and Nintendo dwarf Activision in total sales. CoD is just one series, and it has surely peaked. Why do you think Activision was trying to unload itself?

Seriously, what gives with you?

 

[Topher]

Not at all. Who said that? Like I said before, this hurts Sony way more than MS. Sony's best selling game for the last decade is COD. This is a big blow.

You said Sony couldn't take losses. You are wrong. They can. But after Spencer's statement, I don't think they will. It isn't in either of their interests due to the Azure partnership.

 

[Warablo]

This is a spin response and MS has done the above as well.

The only one I can think of is Rise of the Tomb Raider. I don't think Sony cared so much about losing that one because Uncharted was slated to release around the same time.

Anyway, time exclusives are stupid.

I doubt CoD will release on PlayStation again, maybe this next upcoming one will, but all future CoD's will be on Game Pass devices.

 

[Craig of War]

2023 COD is already deep in development, it's definitely happening (and MS won't even own ActiBlizzard until mid-2023, so they can't tell them what to do until then). 2024 might not though.

They can't tell them in public that would be illegal but best believe they will talk behind close doors

 

[yurinka]

Spencer already said Elder Scrolls VI is exclusive.

If you mean this interview it could be an assumption of the interviewer, as happened with Jimbo's 'we believe in generations' sentence and crossgen games, or could even be a timed exclusive:

How Xbox outgrew the console: inside Phil Spencer’s multi-billion dollar gamble

Phil Spencer saved Xbox. Now he wants to reinvent gaming. Ahead of Xbox’s 20th anniversary, we sat down with him and Microsoft’s gaming A-Team to discuss their wildly ambitious future including Game Pass, Xbox Cloud Gaming, Halo Infinite, The Elder Scrolls VI exclusivity and more

www.gq-magazine.co.uk

It's still too early.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

2023 COD is already deep in development, it's definitely happening (and MS won't even own ActiBlizzard until mid-2023, so they can't tell them what to do until then). 2024 might not though.

Yeah, at worst they'll delay it once the deal is through since i imagine it's hell for the devs right now.

 

[RoadHazard]

They can't tell them in public but best believe they will talk behind close doors

Even so, would they want to throw away close to two years of work (each COD takes around 3 years to develop) when they could instead just finish and release it and make a bunch of money from it? Plus, who knows what contractual obligations exist that might require that one to be released.

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

Phil speaking with a forked tongue like a lizzard....again.

 

[RoboFu]

You guys don’t get it. Ms wants to eventually be the go to digital platform in the future when there are no more dedicated hardware. At that point they want Sony to publish on that platform to make lots of money.. not to destroy Sony.

 

[BeforeU]

lmao I can't believe so many people care falling for Spencer's tweet. There were higher chances of COD on Playstation before his statement than now. The writing is clearly on the wall, he has to play nice before the acquisition is approved. He is literally saying they "desire" like I "desire" to have threesome tonight. And only talking about existing commitment, which may end in a year or two. May be 3?

 

[Hendrick's]

After rereading the Tweet I think he actually meant that he desires to keep COD on PlayStation by acquiring them.

 

[RoadHazard]

You guys don’t get it. Ms wants to eventually be the go to digital platform in the future when there are no more dedicated hardware. At that point they want Sony to publish on that platform to make lots of money.. not to destroy Sony.

Yeah, I don't believe they actually want to destroy Sony either. They want to weaken them and make them depend on MS to survive.

 

[MonarchJT]

Uhhh ... 140 billion is more than twice as much as 68 billion, and MS offered a pretty large premium on what Activision was valued at at the time of the announcement. The Playstation Brand is surely a large part of Sony's valuation and would also demand a large premium to sell.

"ahahah" ... Choo? Just sounded like you were about to sneeze there.

So out of nowhere COD is now the "MOST IMPORTANT" game in the world? That's one hell of a title that was pulled out of thin air. And again, it's just one franchise. It's better to have a lot of very successful and "lucrative" games than just one series, which is why companies like Sony and Nintendo dwarf Activision in total sales. CoD is just one series, and it has surely peaked. Why do you think Activision was trying to unload itself?

Seriously, what gives with you?

wake me up when Bloodborne or any other niche game make the money that any of the worst cod made.
Activision sold because Ms had the money to make them bend (ie just that premium price you was taking about)
Activision value wasn't 68b..but Ms accepted to pay at least 20b more than their true value just and only because of the value of COD in the whole industry. probably you don't follow the fps scene .
again Sony ,entire , is a 140b company (you can accept it or not but is a reality of fact. as today 140,845,077,688 ) and also if someone want to pay premium no one is gonna pay a division that give them the 30% of the income ...the value of the entire company .

 

[Badlucktroll]

Humanity is weird. 70B for people to report to other people now. Fucking NUTS!!!

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

After rereading the Tweet I think he actually meant that he desires to keep COD on PlayStation by acquiring them.

We'll commit sedoku before bowing to the rat overlord

 

[Topher]

We'll commit sedoku before bowing to the rat overlord

 

[MScarpa]

You said Sony couldn't take losses. You are wrong. They can. But after Spencer's statement, I don't think they will. It isn't in either of their interests due to the Azure partnership.

Who does this hurt more? Sure as hell doesn't hurt MS. Sony can't take losses like MS can. It's just a reality.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Don't think i've forgot about you

Race Traitor

 

[yurinka]

And what concessions does Sony have to make to remain "desirable"?

A 70% of the revenue generated by their almost 120M PS4 and almost 15M PS5 users. Plus pretty likely a handsome marketing deal.

 

[Topher]

Who does this hurt more? Sure as hell doesn't hurt MS. Sony can't take losses like MS can. It's just a reality.

No, I agree with you. But Sony can survive this. Factually, they have survived much worse.

 

[elliot5]

there's always a $299 box to play COD at 1440p/60fps !

 

[Brofist]

Didn't he talk like that about the Bethesda deal as well up until it was finalized. I think next year he'll give a clear message of what to expect, and I wouldn't expect a whole lot on PS without some kind of reciprocating offers from Sony.

 

[lh032]

 

[JackMcGunns]

let's see how this ages

As well as existing contracts will age.

 

[MScarpa]

No, I agree with you. But Sony can survive this. Factually, they have survived much worse.

When did I say they couldn't survive? What are you talking about?

 

[Topher]

Don't think i've forgot about you

Race Traitor

You are the reason I can't see my PlayStation stats, aren't you?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/playstation-2021-wrap-up-your-stats.1628144/#post-265407686

You reported me!

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

The only one I can think of is Rise of the Tomb Raider. I don't think Sony cared so much about losing that one because Uncharted was slated to release around the same time.

Anyway, time exclusives are stupid.

I doubt CoD will release on PlayStation again, maybe this next upcoming one will, but all future CoD's will be on Game Pass devices.

A single example makes them just as guilty<=>your point nil.

 

[MonarchJT]

there's always a $299 box to play COD at 1440p/60fps !

and 120 1080

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

After rereading the Tweet I think he actually meant that he desires to keep COD on PlayStation by acquiring them.

So many on team Blue couldn't handle that

 

[Shmunter]

50% of all cod sales are on ps. Cutting off your nose to spite your face if otherwise. Good for fanboys, illogical in business.

 

[Topher]

When did I say they couldn't survive? What are you talking about?

This hurts Sony more than MS. And MS can take losses. Sony cannot.

So can Sony take losses or not?

 

[ntropy]

pay 70 billion to keep COD multiplatform brehs

 

[Oddvintagechap]

All existing agreements. So the next CoD game. You cant force a company to put their games on other platforms. Otherwise, Google wouldve started suing Playstation because they wouldnt put Spiderman on Stadia.

Also, he will force them to put Gamepass on PSN before he allows CoD on there. As he should. Otherwise, it's a gigantic waste of $70 billion.

Sony probably has a mult-year multi-mllion deal about COD being first on Playstation. Along with Exclusive 1 year DLC. Sony probably wants to see if Microsoft is committed in honoring those commitments.

Microsoft has to honor that. Since they wouldn’t want their purchase blocked. They would have to pay 3 billion to Act. if it does.

 

[MScarpa]

So can Sony take losses or not?

So where does it say Sony can't survive? Can you post the quote where i said "Sony can't survive" keyword survive. I'll wait.

 

[John Wick]

Yep. That's a definite statement



Keep reading. "our desire to keep Call of Duty on PlayStation"

Fuck sake you can't be this naive?
Existing contracts they will honour.
Our desire means fuck all. It's just another way for saying put Gamepass on PS and you can have Cod.

 

[Topher]

So where does it say Sony can't survive? Can you post the quote where i said "Sony can't survive" keyword survive. I'll wait.

Stop being dramatic. If that isn't what you meant then we have no disagreement.

Fuck sake you can't be this naive?
Existing contracts they will honour.
Our desire means fuck all. It's just another way for saying put Gamepass on PS and you can have Cod.

You people need to settle down. Go outside. Breathe.

 

[ManaByte]

A 70% of the revenue generated by their almost 120M PS4 and almost 15M PS5 users. Plus pretty likely a handsome marketing deal.

COD only sells about 5-6M a year on PS. It’s about 20-30M across all platforms.

 

[MonarchJT]

btw no matter what i feel very well is that the tide in the industry are changing very fast. What Ms did in the last year it was practically an earthquake. I don't even want to think about what could happen if, as we said in the old rumors ... once the gamepass is put on the other consoles (if it ever happens) Ms would eliminate the cost of live for multiplayer on its consoles. it would be the definitive blow.

 

[MScarpa]

Stop being dramatic. If that isn't what you meant then we have no disagreement.

I'm not dramatic whatsoever. You apparently can't understand the English language, not my fault.

 

[TheGodfather07]

No, I agree with you. But Sony can survive this. Factually, they have survived much worse.

PlayStation sold over 100m consoles before xbox or call of duty even existed. The brand will remain strong as long as sony keep delivering quality games.