assurdum
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So you didn't smelt anything of suspicious if they make such announcement after to have talked about of their new principles for their new marketplace which they are working for
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Microsoft: Call of Duty and other popular AB games will continue to be released on PlayStation and Nintendo platforms beyond current agreements
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Ass of Can Whooping
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This is them sucking up to the FTC. They literally admit in the post that this is their pitch so the AcitBliz acquisition will get approved.
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Mr Moose
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* Continue to be available. Not necessarily get new releases.
I hope this gets clarified before Q4 2023.
They aren't going to suddenly remove older games, its talking about future CoD titles.
assurdum
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I don't know how you can firmly believe that they will release new COD on ps5 after the 2023. They can turn around their words easily saying they want Gamepass on ps5 but Sony don't and what's their legal issue then?
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devilNprada
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Looks like they didn't pass spelling either...
MisterXDTV
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Microsoft has had a monopoly for over 35 years: it's called Windows [AKA PC]
I don't think FTC is interested in risking another one with videogames
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Ass of Can Whooping
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I don't know how we can explain this to you more clearly. Using "They did it so why can't we" is not a good defense
Ass of Can Whooping
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Because they just said they will to the regulators.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Misleading regulators ? No. Of course not.
Why else do you think that statement is this vague without a definite commitment of future game development on those other consoles ?
If they wanted t reassure regulators that new CoD games will keep coming on PS5, Switch 2, they would have outright said that we will develop new games for other platforms too.
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assurdum
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And they will, if Gamepass will be on ps5. But otherwise what regulator can do against MS?
kingfey
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If FTC can't recognize Disney deal as a monopoly, Then they can't recognize MS Activision deal as a monopoly.
Not to mention both aren't even close. MS doesn't even have the global market. That is Sony and Nintendo. They don't even have 10% of the market.
Unlike Disney, which has tons of power in the entertainment industry.
By that motion, FTC can't describe MS owning Activision as a monopoly, when they themselves allowed Disney to have big control in the entertainment industry.
Ass of Can Whooping
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They've made a definitive commitment. Their entire pitch was them making definitive commitments
Ass of Can Whooping
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Are you seriously asking me what regulators will do when they learn MS intentionally mislead them with their pitch?
kingfey
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Windows is open platform. As long as it's open, they don't consider it a monopoly, even though we think it's a monopoly.
The problem starts, when they use their platform to gain big advantage, and minimize the competition like the did in 1990s.
assurdum
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In what way they mislead them? If Sony not want Gamepass on ps5, it's not a MS fault. Where is their infraction?
Negotiator101
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Just wonderful news and once again shows how good Phil Spencer is for the industry.
Hobbygaming
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You've been saying it from the start
Bo_Hazem
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Don't do that. It's one less member to exchange LOL emojis with, which is depressing.
DaGwaphics
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Serious? I think Sony is still going to Sony, they've never tried to play the nice guy, I doubt they start now.
Ass of Can Whooping
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They have said, very clearly, that they will continue to make COD available on PS beyond the contractual agreements.
There's no "If Sony lets us put GP on their console". It's they will be on PS regardless.
Duchess
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Me: "Hey, MS, could you put Starfield on PS5?"
MS: "You can have COD."
Me: "What about Elder Scrolls 6?"
MS: "How about COD?"
Me: "At least release the next Fallou..."
MS: "YOU'RE GETTING THE NEXT CALL OF DUTY! WHY ARE YOU BEING SUCH A LITTLE BITCH?!"
Me: "Maybe because COD's shit?"
MS: "Hmm. Fair point."
MS: "You can have COD."
Me: "What about Elder Scrolls 6?"
MS: "How about COD?"
Me: "At least release the next Fallou..."
MS: "YOU'RE GETTING THE NEXT CALL OF DUTY! WHY ARE YOU BEING SUCH A LITTLE BITCH?!"
Me: "Maybe because COD's shit?"
MS: "Hmm. Fair point."
Topher
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Not how it works. This doesn't have to be about whether the deal is a "monopoly" at all.
DavidGzz
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I doubt MS is bending the knee cause of Bungie, lmao. If anything they determined putting these games on PS this generation where they are in the lead makes more sense money-wise than trying to pump Game Pass numbers. This may change if Sony ever falls behind. This is good news for my friends who are PS only. CoD and D4 are pretty important to them.
assurdum
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They haven't said clearly in what way such games will be available on different platforms. Pay attention.
Yeah if this is just a Cold War between MS and Sony to keep Apple/Amazon/Google at bay then it may turn out to be beneficial. The Bethesda/ id Software stuff though still kinda hurts.
kingfey
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What reason would they block the deal then? Unless it's monopoly grounds, FTC has no arguments here.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't read anything they said in that article, or the two three key lines for this topic, as definitive statement or a commitment of new CoD games to be developed after the perceived contract expires, just the commitment of keeping them available and maintain them.
I guess we've been going around on circles on this, I'll respectfully bow out of this topic now. Hopefully we get a concrete answer sooner rather than having to wait till next year.
devilNprada
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How does everyone think there is a monopoly here?
Neither company has the largest market share.. together they still don't form the largest market share...
FTC is not going to stop this or even try. Please stop
Neither company has the largest market share.. together they still don't form the largest market share...
FTC is not going to stop this or even try. Please stop
Mr Moose
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To be clear, Microsoft will continue to make Call of Duty and other popular Activision Blizzard titles available on PlayStation through the term of any existing agreement with Activision. And we have committed to Sony that we will also make them available on PlayStation beyond the existing agreement and into the future so that Sony fans can continue to enjoy the games they love*. We are also interested in taking similar steps to support Nintendo’s successful platform. We believe this is the right thing for the industry, for gamers and for our business.
* Via Games Pass
Ass of Can Whooping
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Windows isn't an open platform
Topher
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I'm not saying the FTC is going to try and make an argument at all. But saying this is about monopolies is just false. This is about preventing too much concentration in the market. That is not the same as a monopoly.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Why do you keep doubling down on the "keeping them available" when you've been told repeatedly they're saying they will "make them available"
Not putting future CODs on the platform does the exact opposite of that
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Mr Moose
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They don't remove games already on the platform, what do you think this part means?
assurdum
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You are joking but this message smell a lot of blink blink blink Gamepass with COD in every platform you want than COD for all platforms.
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Menzies
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I don't know about the whole MS suing the FTC part, but most legal defense is backed with precedence.
So it's not a reach to bring up a case where a big company (with bigger market share), acquires an even bigger slice of the pie - no(?). Granted the defense won't rest on its' laurels on this one point alone.
ChuckeRearmed
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The difference is that Microsoft has no obligations to release the games on other platform. That's the point. They committed to make them available after the contracts expire, but availability means not removing something from the platform. But you cannot remove something that you haven't released.
Not to mention what Microsoft is trying to achieve with their support of Open App Store is entirely different topic too.
Except in that case the size of the company does not matter and Microsoft's market share is not that big in the first place in a huge gaming market. That's what Satya mentioned. Deal is big and will be scrutinized (but I don't believe that it will be scrutinized for long though) but that's it.
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3liteDragon
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If anyone here has been up-to-date with Hoeg Law's full coverage of this deal so far, you know that he even says based on their guidelines, they're not looking at whether or not MS will become a monopoly after the deal. They're looking into whether or not the deal "harms" competition, that's literally in the updated FTC guidelines.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Before the acquisition
Regulators: Will COD be exclusive to Xbox?
MS: We will continue to make COD available on PS beyond contractual agreements
After acquisition
Regulators: I thought you said COD wouldn't be exclusive to Xbox?
MS: Only if Sony let us put gamepass on PS. Sorry we forgot to mention that. Oops
Come the fuck on
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Topher
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And those guidelines are summarized here:
New FTC Policy Restricts Future Acquisitions for Some Merging Parties | Morrison Foerster
On October 25, 2021, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) adopted a new policy requiring merging parties that enter into settlements to resolve competition concerns.
www.mofo.com
Key takeway:
- The FTC under Chair Khan’s leadership is more skeptical of mergers and likely comfortable disincentivizing M&A activity, or at least erring on the side of over-enforcement. The deterrent effect that the new policy may have on mergers is likely perceived as an upside from the standpoint of this Commission, not a downside."
Yayyy I guess call of duty is "good" again lol
Mr Moose
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Vanguard is still shit. Let's see what IW can bring (MW is good).
Yayyy I guess call of duty is "good" again lol
Ass of Can Whooping
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Yayyy I guess call of duty is "good" again lol
You reminded me I need to edit any comments where I called COD shit
3liteDragon
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MW2's the only CoD I was hyped for since 2019, didn't give a fuck about the other ones. Will play Warzone 2 if it's not broken like the current WZ, which is why I stopped playing.
Yayyy I guess call of duty is "good" again lol
Concern
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Only cod worth a shit is Modern Warfare imo.
I don't know the specifics of this but looks like sure way to dump 70 billion dollars lol
Thirty7ven
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FTC seems to have a mandate ATM, to prevent these Sillicon Valley cabrons of using their absurdly and obscenely profitable monopolies (MS, Google, Meta) to strangle and corner other markets via anti competitive measure by way of financial doping.
70B is serious cash, and maybe MS wasn’t ready for widespread reaction to the deal, and maybe they expected too much from all the media brain washing they invested in so much for the last two to three years or so. Everything went so smooth with Bethesda, and even some of the media came out straight away with “This is good” for the AB deal, but it wasn’t enough.
70B is serious cash, and maybe MS wasn’t ready for widespread reaction to the deal, and maybe they expected too much from all the media brain washing they invested in so much for the last two to three years or so. Everything went so smooth with Bethesda, and even some of the media came out straight away with “This is good” for the AB deal, but it wasn’t enough.