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Horizon Forbidden West - Digital Foundry Tech Review - A PS5 Graphics Masterclass

GymWolf

Gold Member
im not talking about the combat. thats just the first video that came to mind, cause i saw recently. ignore everything else but the brute guy at the end. anyway, the bold is false.
No it is true, you can search any comparison, i'm not talking about the fatality with the knife, i'm talking about the exact moment in the gif.

Not saying that enemies don't emote during combat, but not with that level of acting or details in their faces, that scene in the first trailer looked like a scene from a movie.
 

Freeman76

Member
Yeah it's pretty bad. You can buy it on your phone btw.
Yeah i can buy it off the store on PC or phone I do get that, and its an easy workaround, I just hate how they try to scam money out of their customers by making it look like PS5 is the only option.
 

ethomaz

Banned
It is 1800p.
Nope.

RC
By DF it is 1080p to 1800p... it stay most of time around 1620p then it have temporal injection to 4k.
By VGTech minimum was 1920x1080 and maximum was 3328x1872 then it have temporal injection to 4k.

Horizon2
Up to 1600x1800 with CBR to 3200x1800 and so upscalled to 4k.

Do you want to win a point posting false info? I can't understand.
 
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Hunnybun

Member
Nope.

It is 1080p to 1800p... it stay most of time around 1620p then it have a temporal injection to 4k.

Do you want to win a point posting false info? I can't understand.

Yes but by that token the fidelity mode isn't 4k either, IS IT? And yet you seem to think that's wonderful, no doubt because it doesn't stray from your beloved 30fps.

False info? You found those quotes, yet?
 
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Swift_Star

Banned
I really wanted to know if the drop in IQ from res to perf mode are apparent in a 1080p set.
I’m still rocking one and will play at 30fps if the differences are visible, if not, 60fps it is.
 

scydrex

Member
I've seen the video, there's literally nothing in it about that.

And if it's in an article you could actually quote it.

I saw the video and the settings in performance mode are lower, is not just resolution downgrade. If you saw the video then you will know is not just resolution.
 
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Riky

$MSFT
Played both modes and the PS4 Pro version. PS5 is a lot cleaner than PS4 Pro but the 30fps mode is horrible to play.
So going to stick with the 60fps mode with shimmer, it plays so much better.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Yes but by that token the fidelity mode isn't 4k either, IS IT? And yet you seem to think that's wonderful, no doubt because it doesn't stray from your beloved 30fps.

False info? You found those quotes, yet?
RC Fidelity
By VGTech 2560x1440 (very rare) to 3840x2160 with temporal injection to 4k if needed.
By DF 1800p to 2160p with temporal injection to 4k if needed.

Horizon2 Fidelity
Native 4k.

Yes Fidelity is better than performance without that blurry IQ.
 
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Hunnybun

Member
Are you trolling or what? I saw the video and the settings in performance mode are lower, is not just resolution downgrade. If you saw the video then you will know is not just resolution.

No I'm not trolling. There's nothing in there about that. If you can point me to where it does, I'll gladly apologise. Actually the only reason I'm being harsh with him is that I and others asked him politely to back up that claim but he just ignored us. So I went back and watched the video and there's nothing there.
 

ethomaz

Banned
No I'm not trolling. There's nothing in there about that. If you can point me to where it does, I'll gladly apologise. Actually the only reason I'm being harsh with him is that I and others asked him politely to back up that claim but he just ignored us. So I went back and watched the video and there's nothing there.
I ignored because it is a dumb question when there is a video and article posted in the OP.
I don't feed trolls lies... just correct them to people not aware realize it was not true.

The last few post you made here have incorrect info (to try to "create" a narrative?) like usual.
 
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SLB1904

Banned
that scene in the first trailer looked like a scene from a movie.
i mean that was obviously scripted to end the trailer. the same way Joel shoots in the face of that guy in the first tlous gameplay trailer. anyway, its irrelevant the game is full of impressive facial animations during the combat and just normal gameplay, and nothing comes close.
 

Hunnybun

Member
RC Fidelity
By VGTech 2560x1440 (very rare) to 3840x2160 with temporal injection to 4k if needed.
By DF 1800p to 2160p with temporal injection to 4k if needed.

Horizon2 Fidelity
Native 4k.

Yes Fidelity is better than performance without that blurry IQ.

The general message I've seen is that the game stays in a narrow band of DRS in all its modes.

I haven't seen any analysis that specifically says which modes stay at the max res longest, or even an estimate of how often drops occur.

So for me the honest way to describe them is to assume the same basis, therefore fidelity is 4k and performance is 1800p. In any case, with DRS the max res is basically always the most accurate measure, since it drops when scenes get heavy and the player isn't able to focus on visual details anyway. I'd bet that for 95% of the time that the player is even able to really enjoy the graphics, fidelity is 4k and performance is 1800p.
 

Hunnybun

Member
I ignored because it is a dumb question when there is a video and article posted in the OP.
I don't feed trolls lies... just correct them to people not aware realize it was not true.

The last few post you made here have incorrect info (to try to "create" a narrative?) like usual.

You ignored it because you know you can't substantiate it and you're too childish to just admit an error.
 

GymWolf

Gold Member
i mean that was obviously scripted to end the trailer. the same way Joel shoots in the face of that guy in the first tlous gameplay trailer. anyway, its irrelevant the game is full of impressive facial animations during the combat and just normal gameplay, and nothing comes close.
It looked ingame in the trailer tho, it only become clearly cutscene in the moment she cut his troat.

I was the first one that posted that gif as an example of real time graphic and animations before the final game was released, then i stopped.

Mine was not an attempt to shit on tlou2, no other games comes even close to tlou melee combat when it comes to animations, horizon looks a ps2 game in comparison.
 
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ethomaz

Banned
The general message I've seen is that the game stays in a narrow band of DRS in all its modes.

I haven't seen any analysis that specifically says which modes stay at the max res longest, or even an estimate of how often drops occur.

So for me the honest way to describe them is to assume the same basis, therefore fidelity is 4k and performance is 1800p. In any case, with DRS the max res is basically always the most accurate measure, since it drops when scenes get heavy and the player isn't able to focus on visual details anyway. I'd bet that for 95% of the time that the player is even able to really enjoy the graphics, fidelity is 4k and performance is 1800p.
Nope.

RC
By DF it is 1080p to 1800p... they say it stay most of time around 1620p then it have temporal injection to 4k.
By VGTech minimum was 1920x1080 and maximum was 3328x1872 then it have temporal injection to 4k.

Play the game... you can right way tells it has a blurry image in Performance mode.
 
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scydrex

Member
No I'm not trolling. There's nothing in there about that. If you can point me to where it does, I'll gladly apologise. Actually the only reason I'm being harsh with him is that I and others asked him politely to back up that claim but he just ignored us. So I went back and watched the video and there's nothing there.

Read the article and answer yourself. You don't believe someone when is telling the truth. Why would I tell you? To say that I'm lying too? Nah...
 

ethomaz

Banned
You ignored it because you know you can't substantiate it and you're too childish to just admit an error.
You are really weird... can't you read the article or watch the video.
But just to stop you bullshit again.

From DF article.

"...Meanwhile, for PS5, 30fps and 60fps also have the same features, with resolution and frame-rate targets dividing them. Some graphical effects may change in their rendering according to the core resolution..."
"...it's actually the case that the graphical quality is far richer in the 30fps mode as a result of this clarity..."
"...Double the frame-rate is nice, but you're missing out on a decently-sized chunk of the next-gen (current-gen?) experience..."

I mean it is not that hard, no?
 
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Hunnybun

Member
You are really weird... can't you read the article or watch the video.
But just to stop you bullshit again.

From DF article.

"...Meanwhile, for PS5, 30fps and 60fps also have the same features, with resolution and frame-rate targets dividing them. Some graphical effects may change in their rendering according to the core resolution..."
"...it's actually the case that the graphical quality is far richer in the 30fps mode as a result of this clarity..."
"...Double the frame-rate is nice, but you're missing out on a decently-sized chunk of the next-gen (current-gen?) experience..."

I mean it is not that hard, no?

Literally all that says is that the resolution is lower and that adversely affects the rendering of some effects.

I mean, it SHOULDN'T be hard to understand, no.

But then there's you.
 

TonyK

Member
Wow, they have solved the shimmering problem in less than a day. I'm impressed. Time to enjoy the game.
G9QrhNJ.jpg
 

Hunnybun

Member
That is why you were ignored lol
You try to distorce facts to fit your weird narrative lol

"Some graphical effects may change in their rendering according to the core resolution"

Have you even got any idea what that means? It means that effects like SSR appear more than usually affected by the lower resolution than other graphical features.

It doesn't mean that the underlying settings have changed.

You've got yourself completely confused on this point. Then you've started spreading this misunderstanding around the forum cos you're probably so excited that the performance mode looks bad.
 
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ethomaz

Banned
"Some graphical effects may change in their rendering according to the core resolution"

Have you even got any idea what that means? It means that effects like SSR appear more than usually affected by the lower resolution than other graphical features.

It doesn't mean that the underlying settings have changed.

You've got yourself completely confused on this point. Then you've started spreading this misunderstanding around the forum cos you're probably so excited that the performance mode looks bad.
1) It means graphical effects are in different levels and not the same across Fidelity and Performance... fact.
2) Performance mode looks bad... fact.

There isn't any misunderstanding except you trying to twist facts in "narratives".
 
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Hunnybun

Member
1) It means graphical effects are in different levels and not the same across Fidelity and Performance... fact.
2) Performance mode looks bad... fact.

There is any misunderstanding except you trying to twist facts in "narratives".

It doesn't. "According to the core resolution". That's the qualifier to that statement.

You're not even a native English speaker are you? You should probably be a bit more willing to believe someone who is, you know.

I don't know why I'm bothering though cos you're obviously incapable of admitting fault.
 
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ANDS

King of Gaslighting
Wow, they have solved the shimmering problem in less than a day. I'm impressed. Time to enjoy the game.
G9QrhNJ.jpg

Restarted game, system didn't download any update for me.


You're not even a native English speaker are you? You should probably be a bit more willing to believe someone who is, you know.

Holy fuck. You might be right but this is such a douchebag way of going about it. Like spectacularly.
 

ethomaz

Banned
It doesn't. "According to the core resolution". That's the qualifier to that statement.

You're not even a native English speaker are you? You should probably be a bit more willing to believe someone who is, you know.

I don't know why I'm bothering though cos you're obviously incapable of admitting fault.
It does.

Fact > weird narratives.
 

Hunnybun

Member
Restarted game, system didn't download any update for me.




Holy fuck. You might be right but this is such a douchebag way of going about it. Like spectacularly.

Why? It's relevant to someone's reading comprehension whether or not they're a native speaker.

Plus, it's ethomaz. He's a fucking troll.
 

ANDS

King of Gaslighting
I don't think it is a patch fix... but just download something ingame like a new setting.

Restart twice. It was a hotfix.

I legit didn't know games like this could do that. And yeah it seems to have fixed the issue as there's no shimmering on rocks in PERFORMANCE MODE for me anymore (I didn't have any issues with RESOLUTION). I still think the game is a bit overly aggressive on the aliasing but at least it isn't so distracting now.
 

Gamerguy84

Member
Major difference in clarity between performance/res mode. Res looks so much sharper.

Said that I'm playing through on performance as it just feels better, and looks good enough. Beautiful game.
 

Dodkrake

Banned
I agree, the lighting in TLOU2 was downgraded pretty bad in the final build. Probably due to the weak PS4 hardware. I'm hoping the remaster restores the lighting from the pre-release gameplay trailer
It really wasn't. While lightning god some cutbacks, foilage density increased for example. There were trade offs, not a substantial downgrade (and not even a downgrade at all).
 
I now see the issue with the hero lighting. Aloy entering Meridian looked like they were cut and pasted onto a background they were so much brighter than the surroundings it looked really bad. So far it's the only graphical issue I have seen that made me wince.
 
anybody seeing what i'm seeing? (just uploaded so may take a few to get the 4k version)

"no one else seeing this in performance mode? not sure where all the "it's so beautiful" is coming from. shot this on my iphone 13 pro (playing on ps5 LG C8). threw on first horizon for comparison, and the first one is so much more smooth and clean compared to this. i did the whole "restart twice" thing too, and nothing happened. am i missing something? tv set on game mode/hdr picture mode. Sharpness set to 10. everything looks harsh/over sharp/grainy."
 
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ethomaz

Banned
anybody seeing what i'm seeing? (just uploaded so may take a few to get the 4k version)

"no one else seeing this in performance mode? not sure where all the "it's so beautiful" is coming from. shot this on my iphone 13 pro (playing on ps5 LG C8). threw on first horizon for comparison, and the first one is so much more smooth and clean compared to this. i did the whole "restart twice" thing too, and nothing happened. am i missing something? tv set on game mode/hdr picture mode. Sharpness set to 10. everything looks harsh/over sharp/grainy."

That is performance mode... yes.
The fixed issue was another one I guess... and you don't have that in 30fps mode.

Sadly seems like they CBX tech didn't evolved since Shadownfall.
 
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Corndog

Banned
Nope.

RC
By DF it is 1080p to 1800p... they say it stay most of time around 1620p then it have temporal injection to 4k.
By VGTech minimum was 1920x1080 and maximum was 3328x1872 then it have temporal injection to 4k.

Play the game... you can right way tells it has a blurry image in Performance mode.
Why are we arguing about ratchet and clank in this thread?
 

Tchu-Espresso

likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Define "perfect IQ" because that's not what my eyes saw. I saw a low res blurry image that destroyed all the fine detail. Plus, the fur was paired back substantially and other effects were paired back as well.

Fidelity mode made it look like a CG film and I really enjoyed that, plus you could see all the small fine details. It's that extra detail that wowed me.
Performance RT all the way. Trade off was definitely not worth it on my 65 inch CX.
 
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