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Star Trek: Picard S2 Premieres March 3, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (Pike's show) Premieres May 5th
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Torrent of Pork
Banned
If I want grim-dark human supremacists I'll go read a 40k novel. This is not Star Trek.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It's basically the mirror universe but the main timeline was Changed. It's no darker than the MU.
And it was only... What?... 1½ episodes? You're behind. They're already in 2024.
ManaByte
Member
“How do we get Rios in the Chekov situation?”
”Immigration raid on a medical clinic?”
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I expect them to name-drop Trump at this point. Jesus Christ.
Pegasus Actual
Member
For real, there was so much stupid ham-fisted political shit in that last episode I forgot to even mention the part about ID and vaxx chips
Ulysses 31
Member
STARSBarry
Gold Member
Honestly I can't say I don't enjoy season 2 of Picard. Not because I'm watching it, I haven't watched an episode past season 1 when picard spent an entire episode on elf World (Romulan colony) and I said to my mate "honestly if the next episode has him beaming down to planet dwarf I'm out"
Only for the next episode to open with a dwarf playing the piano in a bar, I instantly nope'd out and haven't watched since.
No I enjoy it because...
Watching these two slowly crumble under the weight of something they love turned into the worst modern media has to offer is just hilarioues. Also these click bait thumbnails for there videos just make me laugh as well.
Only for the next episode to open with a dwarf playing the piano in a bar, I instantly nope'd out and haven't watched since.
No I enjoy it because...
Watching these two slowly crumble under the weight of something they love turned into the worst modern media has to offer is just hilarioues. Also these click bait thumbnails for there videos just make me laugh as well.
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Ulysses 31
Member
That's how I consume MCU and Star Trek stuff these days too, through others commentary and criticisms.
I gave Discovery the good college try, but after s1e1 and 2, and 30 min of s4e1, there are fundamental aspects to the show that I just can't stand.
The swinging cinematography with the rapid fire dialogue, crap blocking of the endless action scenes, how what should have been an entire episode worth of 'discovery' gets analysed and fixed in 30 seconds (the butterfly folks nav sats) to make way for lame jokes and..... ugh, a series of 'knowing smiles' by everyone because there was never a real sense of risk in any of it.
I won't even get into the decision to make the alien races mirror human ethnicities in an almost minstrel fashion (emphasizing specific ethnic traits in an otherwise alien head mask) cause hey, at least the extras are diverse and folks gotta work.
So I guess trek is out for me.
The swinging cinematography with the rapid fire dialogue, crap blocking of the endless action scenes, how what should have been an entire episode worth of 'discovery' gets analysed and fixed in 30 seconds (the butterfly folks nav sats) to make way for lame jokes and..... ugh, a series of 'knowing smiles' by everyone because there was never a real sense of risk in any of it.
I won't even get into the decision to make the alien races mirror human ethnicities in an almost minstrel fashion (emphasizing specific ethnic traits in an otherwise alien head mask) cause hey, at least the extras are diverse and folks gotta work.
So I guess trek is out for me.
Thaedolus
Member
Episode 3 felt like they had the CBS procedural crews sitting around with nothing to do so they threw them a Star Trek IV “retrofit” to shoot. And the messaging is so on the nose it’s almost insulting.
Why is Allison Pill always so hilariously awkward in every single scene? I’m having trouble with this cast of misfits which is comprised of the most generic archetypes too.
Anyway, it’s dumb. It’s kinda fun to watch, but it’s dumb. The queen’s torso walking around on her arms was kinda creepy, that was fun.
Why is Allison Pill always so hilariously awkward in every single scene? I’m having trouble with this cast of misfits which is comprised of the most generic archetypes too.
Anyway, it’s dumb. It’s kinda fun to watch, but it’s dumb. The queen’s torso walking around on her arms was kinda creepy, that was fun.
Revolutionary
Member
Because the current "head" of Star Trek, Alex Kurtzman, is a hack and has no actual understanding of Star Trek, or any other franchise he's worked on. The man plagiarized his first film script (The Island) and the studio had to settle for 7 figures.
He also wrote and directed this turd:
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Alex Kurtzman is the very definition of "failing upwards"
Edit: Forgot to mention he also wrote The Amazing Spider-Man 2. You know, the movie that was so poorly received that they had to reboot the franchise again a few years later
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nush
Member
I think it's because they have to keep the budget in line with expected viewer numbers. "Modern day" yup, that's cut a load out of our SFX budget.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Season 4 of Discovery feels like traditional Trek ... Even if it's set 1000 years after TOS
nush
Member
I managed 2 episodes and tapped out, it's far from traditional Trek.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
You should stick with it. I said it FEELS like traditional Trek... It's different but WAY better than seasons 1, 2 and 3.
Thaedolus
Member
Wait wat? I only watched a couple episodes into S2, did something interesting happen?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Near the end of season 2. They went forward in time. WAY forward.
nush
Member
I'm already dealing with one new Trek disappointment a week, I'm not doubling down!
squallheart
Member
Thank you for this video. It prevents me from waisting time I tolerated Picard season 1 more than any of discovery but not this time lol. I think I'll just re-watch Stargate Atlantis.
ManaByte
Member
In Season 2, which is where Pike was helping them search for Smiley Spock (the version of Spock from The Cage, not the one from the Kirk era) they ran into an AI that was going to wipe out all sentient life. To stop it, Discovery took the AI into their computer and went into a vortex that sent them 990 years into the future. As a result Starfleet wiped all evidence of Discovery from its records (so no one would ever go search for them and find the AI) and Pike, Spock, and Number One were sworn to secrecy about what really happened to the crew (they officially are dead).
When they arrived in the 31st century, the Federation is down to like 6 planets because all of the dilithium in the galaxy went inert 150 years ago, basically limiting space travel. They spent Season 3 (which was shit) finding out what caused "The Burn". Season 4 though is probably the best Trek since Enterprise ended as the entire season is a first contact story where the have to locate an unknown alien race outside of the galaxy and learn how to communicate with them as they're so alien their language is based on hydrocarbons.
kurisu_1974
is on perm warning for being a low level troll
I know it's not the same but
is really good and season 3 is starting in two or three months. First season is rather silly, but second season is very TNG.
Pagusas
Elden Member
so what caused the Burn? Save me from watching Season 3. Also what happen to the crazy AI? Did 990 years of AI improvements allow the future starfleet to kill it in 5 seconds?
Edit: Just looked it up... I could literally not imagine a more dumb reason for the "burn" to have happened. Like... wow... how does that get green lit in a writing room? I feel they had the perfect oppertunity to tie what Discovery did with the time travel to the cause of the burn, make it really hit home and show the price with meddling in all the things they did. But nope, it had to be a childs tears that did it.
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ManaByte
Member
Literally the only thing good about Season 3 is David Cronenberg showing up. He explains the temporal war to them and the best part is where he shows a temporal warrior from an alternate universe created by a "Romulan mining ship" (the Kelvin timeline). He came from that universe's 2379 (Nemesis era), but in that time they were still wearing the S1 TNG uniforms:
The AI merged with Discovery's computer and the ship now has a sentient computer. David Cronenberg has a device that can kill it if needed.
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Shouta
Member
“How do we get Rios in the Chekov situation?”
”Immigration raid on a medical clinic?”
I was actually okay with that considering it's moderately consistent with the Trek lore for 2024. The doctor and Rio actually have pretty good interactions so far. Raffi/Seven and Picard/Jurati are awful. Jurati had scene with the Borg Queen at least but she's just terrible everywhere else.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I'm kinda upset that Discovery finished it's season last week. But at least now I can finish both seasons of Lower Decks.
xellos2099alpha
Member
Discoveryseason 4 is actually not bad, it is back to discover new things. It might not be the same as the tos or NG, but it become something remarkable fimiliar.
xellos2099alpha
Member
yeah, according to DS9 it was a pretty bad period in Star Trek timeline. It was the same time that Sisko, Bashir and Dix got stranded.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Yep... The Bell Riots.
ManaByte
Member
Again it was probably the best Trek since Enterprise ended. That finale was 100% Roddenberry.
ManaByte
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Shouta
Member
This episode was kind of the worst one so far. It was really heavy-handed and some of the threads continue not to be any good. Rios/Teresa is still fun and I kind of dig the Jurati/Borg Queen interactions but Raffi/Seven is just awful. Picard/Guinan was kind of the worst offender this episode. She just doesn't feel like Guinan at all in how she's written. There is some cool bits here and there. Showing El-Aurian time sickness was cool and they mentioned the sanctuary districts outright as well.
I had to think about it for a second but this actually works. Their 1893 interaction only occurs because of Time's Arrow but because the future got changed, it never occurs. So Picard never goes back to meet her.
Wait, Guinan in 2024 doesn’t know Picard? But he saved her life in 1893.
I had to think about it for a second but this actually works. Their 1893 interaction only occurs because of Time's Arrow but because the future got changed, it never occurs. So Picard never goes back to meet her.
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ManaByte
Member
Nope. They still had three days before the future was changed.
zeomax
Member
Yes. That's also why she puked at the bar. She felt that the timeline has changed.
Shouta
Member
It already changed since Picard came from that changed future. Time's Arrow doesn't exist in that altered timeline which has an effect on the past too. The event in 3 days is what they think causes the change so fixing that should change it back but in the total view of the timeline, it's already occurred.
Correct, Guinan felt the change after those words were uttered by Picard. You can even hear Whoopi's voice being overlapped.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I kinda get the heavy-handedness.
They're from the future where things are FAR better for humanity ... So them commenting on ICE, police customer service (is that what it's called?), the sanctuary districts (which was part of the Bell Riots episode of DS9), racism, class disparity... All those things track. And I'm looking at it as a poor black man in the South. My perspective isn't yours but I'm a lifelong Trek fan and I get why some things felt heavy-handed... It was like that in The Voyage Home, too. Not in all subjects but enough of them.
But what I found most interesting, two things:
1. Q temporarily losing his powers
2. The Watcher
Shouta
Member
I just think it's too *wink-wink* we're discussing current day issues when a bit of finesse would have been better. They aren't even trying to wrap it around interesting interactions at all.
Like Guinan's interactions with Picard about the current world situation is super in your face about it. It doesn't help that the characterization of 2024 Guinan is kind of off too though I dig the actress.
I would have vastly prefer something a bit more like this for Guinan
"Guinan: You come from the future, so you know how bad this era is don't you?
Picard: Well, I've read the history the history books
Guinan: Take whatever you learned from then and imagine it worse. History often has a way of being rosier than it actually was. I've lived on this planet more than a century. It was bad back then but you'd think they'd improve over time. The technology has improved but the problems all just have a veneer of platitudes on top now."
I guess I shouldn't be expecting them to write anything with a bit of personality or interesting though. They couldn't do it with these characters on the easy stuff so far...
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I like your take! I think the "those who look like me" line could be kept I'd your take was put in instead ... Because that goes into, not just racism (diet and regular) but also colorism being that she's a dark skinned black woman.
I'm with you, I dig the young Guinan actress. She's pretty and attractive and I like her voice.
ManaByte
Member
They could've brought back the actress who played young Guinan in Rascals (and young Whoopie in Sister Act). She's the right age now and still looks like a younger Whoopie, more than this actress does.
Pegasus Actual
Member
Cringe factor 10. It's a joke that would've probably worked well in Lower Decks... but here it's like... haha look here's the guy... he's still a punk rocker and he's listening to the same fucking song 40 years later on a bus. Not the same bus mind you because he just happens to be in LA haha but you remember the guy?!?! But he's older now and remembers getting clowned by Spock so he desists hahahhahhahahhaahaha.
Reminds me of when the Disneyverse shoehorned the "My friend doesn't like your face" guys from the cantina into... I don't know, was it the Solo movie?
As for the Guinan stuff... here's the fucking thing... and it seems so obvious but maybe not. Yes, her characterization seems way off. But the whole thing works fine if she had landed on Earth a few years ago and noped out. I still think it would have been a little ham-fisted but whatever.
But what we have here is a Guinan who's like "I've been on this planet a lot longer than you", and I mean I don't remember every detail but yeah so this is kinda the Time's Arrow Guinan who was palling around with Mark Twain or what-the-fuck-ever. We're supposed to believe that she lived through the 1800s and 1900s but when she gets to the 2020s it's like "I just can't handle the way black people are being treated fuck this shit I'm out" like present day is the historical low. It's just fucking stupid.
And hey guys, in case you missed it the first time... Guinan runs a bar at 10 Forward Avenue... That's her thing! I for one am looking forward to a scene in the future where Guinan is designing the Galaxy class starship and puts a bar in deck 10, forward section just to indulge her member berries of her old address.
Is Q losing his powers? Do I care? Do the showrunners even remember the TNG episode about Q losing his powers that they already did? Who the fuck knows but I guess we'll find out soon.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I'm still puzzled as to who and what The Watcher is... Is it what The Borg Queen is ultimately after?
nush
Member
The writers just stole the concept from Marvel.
ManaByte
Member
Exclusive: How ‘Star Trek: Picard’ Brought Back [SPOILER] From ‘The Voyage Home’
TrekMovie spoke to showrunner Terry Matalas and the original actor for all the details.
trekmovie.com
Kevin Feige also put him in Spider-Man Homecoming because Feige is a massive Trekkie.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I watched S4 E1 of Discovery because of these very recommendations and now I'm an atheist. It's Star Trek created by Resetera turned up to 11. It would have been kinder had you tricked me into watching a snuff film.
Still...Strange New Worlds on May 5th let's goooooo!!
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nush
Member
The majority of the bridge crew needs to be either black or female, bonus points for being both.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
The only black women are Owesekun and Burnham. The crew is pretty mixed. The Federation president is played by a white woman... The smartest man on the ship is a white man... The emotional core of the show is played by a white man (albeit in full Kelpien makeup) and his romance is with a white woman.
This is most diverse show on TV right now and isn't that what we want? Where skin color doesn't matter? When some people talk about "racial" makeup in Star Trek, all I see is complaints there's too many people of color ... But wouldn't that make sense over 1000 years into the future?
I watched S4 E1 of Discovery because of these very recommendations and now I'm an atheist. It's Star Trek created by Resetera turned up to 11. It would have been kinder had you tricked me into watching a snuff film.
Still...Strange New Worlds on May 5th let's goooooo!!
What about it was "woke" to you? You didn't come out and say it but you kinda intimated it.