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[StreetsofBeige]

Mindsets 1&2 sound irrational to me lol. I totally get being a fan of something, but taking it to the extent that you'd want others to miss out is just extremely bizarre, and I agree, it does seem counterintuitive.

The “there’s no point in buying the console if it’s on PC” argument is silly since no one is forcing anyone to buy anything.
If anything there is now less reason to spend money on unnecessary hardware just to play one or a few titles they're interested in. If you already have a capable gaming PC, why spend money on something you don't need, right?
No one is actually losing out with this model.

But those gamers are losing something. That's what kills ecosystem warriors. And its not even the actual product (game) since they have the option to play on PC.

It's the loss of branding. To them, their favourite video game brand is getting diluted because they think PC gaming is dumb, so they take it seriously to heart.

I typically buy Panasonic stuff for my electronics. Even my microwave and home theatre system are Panny. The only thing I never bought that's Panny are their electric shavers. But when I got a new TV 5 years ago (upgrade to a 4k tv), I couldnt get a Panasonic because it seemed they phased out Panny TVs in Canada. It's like 1 store still sold them and I have no idea if those are pulled from the US or old ass models they were trying to get rid of, so I bailed. Even my old CRT was Panny.

I didn't give a shit. I just picked another brand.

 

[DarkMage619]

Sea of Thieves launched on a struggling XBox One and was dead on arr... oh wait.

I thought Sea of Thieves was on PC too.

 

[Draugoth]

Bad for PlayStation owners. Great for PC Players

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

They also said they believe in generations, so we’ll see if they stick to this.

 

[SLB1904]

Well.....from what I've seen from Gaas games so far in general......

waste of money. gaas games normally takes people loads of time. in fact people play like a couple of gaas games forever. and they are making 12 lol

 

[Neofire]

Those ps5 console projection numbers aren't looking so hot after people look at this. I've seen dozens of people say already "good no reason to grab the console now".

Lord, Sony what are you doing. I knew the restructuring of putting this clown and Jim Ryan at the helm would be bad for Playstation owners.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Those ps5 console projection numbers aren't looking so hot after people look at this. I've seen dozens of people say already "good no reason to grab the console now".

Lord, Sony what are you doing. I knew the restructuring of putting this clown and Jim Ryan at the helm would be bad for Playstation owners.

Now this is classic concern trolling (or naivety).

 

[Topher]

I've seen dozens

 

[Neofire]

Sony is adding dlss3.0 support for 40 series cards in time for launch.

Meanwhile fsr 2.0 has been out for months but ps5 games haven’t been patched for them. They are clearly putting more effort into their PC ports.

Exactly, the are neglecting their own platforms in hopes that the PC will magically rain money down on them from a few releases and when this strategy goes south Sony will be lucky the Playstation brand survives as a 3rd party option. I've never seen a console maker survive without moving a sufficient amount of console units and if I remember correctly Sony is well behind their projected number.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

waste of money. gaas games normally takes people loads of time. in fact people play like a couple of gaas games forever. and they are making 12 lol

I dont think Sony expects all 12 to do well. They even said in an old article all it takes is 1 or 2 to be a giant success and that would enough to cover the rest. Most of the big publishers oozing money probably only have a handful of cornerstone franchises that churn out big cash on a monthly basis. I dont think any even have 5 super successful GAAS games all at once.

It looks like Activision has 5 big ones.... COD, Diablo, WoW, Candy Crush, Overwatch. Although that's really casting a big net as one is a sub game and one is a mobile game.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Those ps5 console projection numbers aren't looking so hot after people look at this. I've seen dozens of people say already "good no reason to grab the console now".

Lord, Sony what are you doing. I knew the restructuring of putting this clown and Jim Ryan at the helm would be bad for Playstation owners.

 

[mortal]

But those gamers are losing something. That's what kills ecosystem warriors. And its not even the actual product (game) since they have the option to play on PC.

It's the loss of branding. To them, their favourite video game brand is getting diluted because they think PC gaming is dumb, so they take it seriously to heart.

It's beyond my understanding, that for sure.

Bad for PlayStation owners

Is it though?

If this is good for Sony, which it is, then that means another revenue stream to invest into their 1st party studios, 3rd party partnerships, & services. Which PlayStation owners will ultimately benefit from.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Exactly, the are neglecting their own platforms in hopes that the PC will magically rain money down on them from a few releases and when this strategy goes south Sony will be lucky the Playstation brand survives as a 3rd party option. I've never seen a console maker survive without moving a sufficient amount of console units and if I remember correctly Sony is well behind their projected number.

#SonyDoomed™

 

[Neofire]

Bad for PlayStation owners. Great for PC Players

I see no lies in this statement

 

[DeepEnigma]

I see no lies in this statement

Would you dare say, Sony shot themselves in the foot...?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

If this is good for Sony, which it is, then that means another revenue stream to invest into their 1st party studios, 3rd party partnerships, & services. Which PlayStation owners will ultimately benefit from.

That's the key issue.

Which one is more important?

More sales, profits, budget selling more games to more platforms? Or less sales, profit, budget selling on one platform?

Depends on the gamer. Some dont care what happens. Some want more sales and success. Some want their ecosystem bubble kept in tact.

 

[Neo_game]

Consoles are getting irrelevant. Now Sony also seems to give up competing with PC gaming. 1 year wait is nothing, it is like the PC games will come with all DLC or something. I think releasing PS4 games on PC was not too bad of idea as they were trying to make a quick bucks for those who were not going to buy the console anyways.

 

[Topher]

Consoles are getting irrelevant. Now Sony also seems to give up competing with PC gaming. 1 year wait is nothing, it is like the PC games will come with all DLC or something. I think releasing PS4 games on PC was not too bad of idea as they were trying to make a quick bucks for those who were not going to buy the console anyways.

Console gamers are not going to suddenly become PC gamers because console games are available on PC. So how are consoles irrelevant?

 

[jhjfss]

Sony Will Continue to Make PS4 Games Moving Forwards

"We don't want to forget millions of active players"

www.pushsquare.com

• Sony may also still make games for the PS4, despite only having PS5 exclusive console games announced beyond 2022. “We certainly don’t want to forget the millions of active players on PS4, and we want to ensure there are great games for them as well,” Hulst says. “We’re evaluating it on a case-by-case basis.”

 

[DeepEnigma]

Console gamers are not going to suddenly become PC gamers because console games are available on PC. So how are consoles irrelevant?

This gen, it will be this gen that does it, surely!

 

[Schmick]

Someone has got to explain to me what a PS5 can do what a PC can't.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Sony Will Continue to Make PS4 Games Moving Forwards

"We don't want to forget millions of active players"

www.pushsquare.com

• Sony may also still make games for the PS4, despite only having PS5 exclusive console games announced beyond 2022. “We certainly don’t want to forget the millions of active players on PS4, and we want to ensure there are great games for them as well,” Hulst says. “We’re evaluating it on a case-by-case basis.”

You'll get more PS4 games for 1-2 more years. And that assumes that bar graph they showed months ago is true where 2025 was supposed to be no more PS4 games. In 2025, it's supposed to be all PS5, PC, mobile.

They didnt tell gamers which year is no more PS4. It's guessing game, but safe to you'd get more PS4 games for years to come. They would had been more direct saying a cut off year, but never did. And your bullet point confirms it. At minimum you'll get PS4 games in 2023. Likely longer is my guess.

 

[Topher]

This gen, it will be this gen that does it, surely!

They keep trying, don't they?

 

[3liteDragon]

As long as PS5’s the baseline for future titles being ported, I don’t have an issue with this.

 

[Topher]

Someone has got to explain to me what a PS5 can do what a PC can't.

Cost $500.

 

[GHG]

This isn't a surprise to anyone that's been paying attention.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/forbes-sony-should-be-putting-all-playstation-exclusives-on-pc-day-one.1627732/post-265374259

Funny to see the typical response from certain individuals in this thread though.

Someone has got to explain to me what a PS5 can do what a PC can't.

Ask the same question with regards to your Series S of all things. You have your answer.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Cost $500.

$400 if you don't care for physical discs, like on the PC.

 

[GHG]

Cost $500.

Literally all of those types of posts are coming from people who have Xbox's, where all the first party games are day one on PC.

They don't warrant serious responses.

 

[Topher]

Literally all of those types of posts are coming from people who have Xbox's, where all the first party games are day one on PC.

They don't warrant serious responses.

lol....I know brother

 

[mortal]

That's the key issue.

Which one is more important?

More sales, profits, budget selling more games to more platforms? Or less sales, profit, budget selling on one platform?

Depends on the gamer. Some dont care what happens. Some want more sales and success. Some want their ecosystem bubble kept in tact.

If it's a question of wanting to see PlayStation continue to expand and prosper well into the future, then I'd say the former.

Wanting more sales and success makes rational sense to me, I can even empathize with indifference if some just care about having great 1st party titles in the end.
Those wanting to preserve some sort of bubble baffle me the most. It comes off like fanboy reasoning. Idk maybe I'm being shortsighted about the negative ramifications of this direction, but I'm not seeing it.

 

[Schmick]

Cost $500.

This isn't a surprise to anyone that's been paying attention.

http://[URL]https://www.neogaf.com/...clusives-on-pc-day-one.1627732/post-265374259

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Funny to see the typical response from certain individuals in this thread though.



Ask the same question with regards to your Series S of all things. You have your answer.

That doesn't explain the concern over games not being able more forward technically though.

 

[DeepEnigma]

If it's a question of wanting to see PlayStation continue to expand and prosper well into the future, then I'd say the former.

Wanting more sales and success makes rational sense to me, I can even empathize with indifference if some just care about having great 1st party titles in the end.
Those wanting to preserve some sort of bubble baffle me the most. It comes off like fanboy reasoning. Idk maybe I'm being shortsighted about the negative ramifications of this direction, but I'm not seeing it.

It's only bad when Sony does it to some.

It's only bad when MS does it to others.

Solved the riddle for you.

 

[GHG]

That doesn't explain the concern over games not being able more forward technically though.

What are you even talking about?

 

[Topher]

That doesn't explain the concern over games not being able more forward technically though.

That's not the question you asked so....try again?

 

[adamsapple]

Literally all of those types of posts are coming from people who have Xbox's, where all the first party games are day one on PC.

They don't warrant serious responses.

 

[Schmick]

What are you even talking about?

That's not the question you asked so....try again?

First of all what's with the aggression? No need for it. Have I been aggressive? No.

I've been reading through this thread and I have seen several posters concerned that the PS5 will be somehow held back because games will be ported to the PC.

My question is what can the PS5 do that the PC can't i.e. why would a PC hold back a PS5 game?

 

[Topher]

First of all what's with the aggression? No need for it. Have I been aggressive? No.

I've been reading through this thread and I have seen several posters concerned that the PS5 will be somehow held back because games will be ported to the PC.

My question is what can the PS5 do that the PC can't i.e. why would a PC hold back a PS5 game?

There was no aggression at all. Sorry you read it that way. Your response simply did not match what you said previously.

Why would a PC hold back a PS5 game is a very different question than "Someone has got to explain to me what a PS5 can do what a PC can't".

And.....I don't know the answer to that.

 

[jigglet]

Smart. GaaS games need to build huge playerbases otherwise match making takes forever outside of the US and Europe. I’m sick of seeing Tier 1 games become ghost towns within months. Shit, COD is the biggest franchise in the industry yet 80% of the game modes are unplayable just months after launch.

 

[Schmick]

There was no aggression at all. Sorry you read it that way. Your response simply did not match what you said previously.

Why would a PC hold back a PS5 game is a very different question than "Someone has got to explain to me what a PS5 can do what a PC can't".

And.....I don't know the answer to that.

Sorry Topher guess the aggression part was more aimed at GHG .

I really don't like being called a fanboy.

Anyway... "Someone has got to explain to me what a PS5 can do what a PC can't" (I wrote it quickly during an ad break watching British Bake Off), I was simply wondering if the PS5 has a technical feature that the PC doesn't that would mean PC would hold back a game meant for PS5.

Is the concern warranted?

 

[Topher]

Sorry Topher guess the aggression part was more aimed at GHG .

I really don't like being called a fanboy.

Anyway... "Someone has got to explain to me what a PS5 can do what a PC can't" (I wrote it quickly during an ad break watching British Bake Off), I was simply wondering if the PS5 has a technical feature that the PC doesn't that would mean PC would hold back a game meant for PS5.

Is the concern warranted?

No worries, bud. The "holding back" argument is debatable. I'm not going to go into it but I understand your concern better now.

In GHG 's defense, you didn't phrase the question very well.

 

[GHG]

I've been reading through this thread and I have seen several posters concerned that the PS5 will be somehow held back because games will be ported to the PC.

If that's the case then quote those posts so that your point is clear. As it stood, in isolation (as it was), your post simply appeared to be a poor attempt at trolling.

But to answer your question it depends on what they decide to define as the minimum spec on PC. There's nothing to stop them from selecting specs similar to the PS5 as the minimum, that's the beauty of PC development.

Personally I don't see the concern being warranted because nobody (in terms of developers/publishers) is showing the necessary level of ambition to push the next gen consoles, never mind PC's at the moment. And it's likely to remain that way from here on out until something drastic happens with the industry as a whole.

 

[Sosokrates]

Sony seem to be making the best moves for business.

 

[SlimySnake]

That's the key issue.

Which one is more important?

More sales, profits, budget selling more games to more platforms? Or less sales, profit, budget selling on one platform?

Depends on the gamer. Some dont care what happens. Some want more sales and success. Some want their ecosystem bubble kept in tact.

In the thread I linked on the first page, I listed the reasons why going multiplatform is bad for gamers. It's funny because that was over a year ago and the announcement of them releasing MORE cross gen games is exactly what I predicted back then.

Nah there is more to it than that. I listed a bunch of what if scenarios last year when rumors of horizon going to PC and they are all turning out to be true.

The gist of it is very simple:
- Multiplatform games take far more resources. They are more expensive.
- Multiplatform games are far less polished.
- Multiplats take longer to make. Take resources away from base game. See how GG took 6 months to fix the PC version of Horizon. You cant tell me that didnt affect the PS5 development causing delays.
- Multiplats have only one goal in mind. Make more profits. First party console games are not meant to make profits. See Shawn Layden's comments on Bloodborne.
- When profits become your main objective, you turn into every other greedy publisher like activision, EA and ubisoft. Games are rushed out to meet fiscal year deadlines. They are no longer designed to show off your console to get people in your eco system because you dont really want people in your eco system anymore.

Nearly all of this has come true. See how MLB the show did not have any next gen upgrades because they had to port their game to Xbox. See how GoW and GT7 is now being held back by the PS4 because to them selling PS5s is no longer a priority. To them selling software to as many people is how they make the most money. Games are being held by the PS4 today, who is to say they wont look at the fact that the 1060 is the most popular card on Steam and force their devs to make a 4 tflops card their base for next gen games going forward?

I have a PC. I will benefit from Sony going to PC. Just like I did when MS went to PC. I also did not have to buy an Xbox this gen so it was great. Put that money towards a better GPU. I also dont have to waste $60 a year on XBL. Win win right?

No. MS has had an atrocious last three years chasing cross gen, now Sony is following suit. Only difference is that MS was done with cross gen in 2021 while Sony's entire lineup in 2022 was cross gen and will be releasing cross gen in 2023 and 2024. My 30 tflops 3080 is effectively running games designed around the limitations of a 1.3-1.8 tflops PS5. Did I benefit from this profit first fuck gamers approach? Did you?

I benefitted from their closed platform approach. I did not benefit from MS's open platform approach. The future of Sony studios is GaaS and cross gen. Why would I be FOR this?

 

[arkhamguy123]

the funny thing is that this PC experiment didnt work out too well for MS. They started porting games to PC around 2016 and sales just fell off a cliff. It didnt help sell Halo which had underwhelming sales despite launching on steam on day one. Forza barely cracked top 20 behind Back4Blood and Mortal Kombat 2019.

If going to PC was going to bring the riches, MS wouldnt have had to go scorched earth and spend over $80 billion to acquire Zenimax and Activision just to 'compete' with playstation. The same Playstation that went from selling 5 million copies to 20 million for GOW, Uncharted, TLOU, Spiderman and Horizon. And around 10 million for TLOU2, Days Gone and GoT. They dont need the PC audience.

But hey, im sure they will be forced to go out and buy Ubisoft or Square Enix when their sales crash just like Microsoft did. It's funny how Nintendo seems to be doing just fine just focusing on one SKU. They actually killed their console business (or their handheld one. pick one) to focus on one SKU and they seem to be selling 20+ million for pretty much every franchise without begging PC users.

You're always in the minority voice of reason on gaming news, tech and stuff like this. You don't fluff out the pillows and go apologist mode. Just call things how they are. No "everybody is a winner" bubble wrapped mentality.

It's very refreshing.

 

[El Pistolero]

Understandable and, frankly, necessary, given the times. The more, the merrier!

 

[Warnen]

I got a feeling them 1 year sp games gonna be hitting much much sooner by end of the gen....

 

[arkhamguy123]

The switch is about the be the only console with real exclusives isn't it?

 

[akaFullmetal]

I think this decision will make a lot of people happy.

 

[GHG]

The switch is about the be the only console with real exclusives isn't it?

Officially - yes

Unofficially - no

They have the power to solve it though by moving towards more powerful hardware.

 

[YCoCg]

The switch is about the be the only console with real exclusives isn't it?

Oooft, you better not check out Switch emulation then. In theory PC gets all the main games eventually, and that's good, look at how many games are stuck on the PS3 and Xbox 360!