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Jim Ryan: "[Microsoft is] a tech giant with a long history of dominating industries, the choices gamers have today will disappear"

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GHG

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pasterpl said:
That are locked to their platform.
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And there are plenty of other games out there that are (and have been) locked to single platforms. The rational people do what they need to do if they have a desire to play said games while the irrational cry. At least some companies out there are making an effort with the games that happen to be locked to their platforms.

Not seeing how companies who run platforms making games that people want to play is suddenly a bad thing?

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Do you have time to play with all the fellating of Jimbo you do on this forum?
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At some point your unhealthy obsession with my posts will end.
 
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GhostOfTsu

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Ozriel said:
Seems like hypocrisy to complain about removing content for a company that paid cash to take Final Fantasy exclusive.
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Mainline Final Fantasies were always exclusive to a single platform (Nintendo or Sony, never Sega) until MS paid cash to have FF13. It's not like they had a big history on Xbox like COD on PS. All this crying also sounds fake when we know those games actually flopped while COD break records on PS every year.

We're lucky if we get 1 FF every 5 years 🙄
 
Kagey K

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Kerotan said:
With the purchase of destiny Sony has shown what should happen when a big multiplatform series is bought unlike Microsoft when they bought Bethesda.
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What have Bungie released since Sony bought them?

And how does it show the other ppl they went to were wrong to refuse them?
 
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ACESHIGH said:
Speaking about choice... need to remind you which platform was the one that stood against crossplay for the longest time in order to "protect their userbase"
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Lol that was actually MS during the 360. Sony actually allowed it. The only difference was MS whining day in day out during the gen Sony allowed it.
 
SSfox

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Bragr said:
We all know Sony would have done the identical action if they had the money to spare.

He's right to be scared, but he's coming off as desperate, it looks bad. If Sony was smaller, maybe he could convince some people, but they are a gaming giant with tons of franchises.
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Nah, Sony could have bought SE long time ago since early 2000, but it's just not they way they do stuffs.
 
SSfox

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Gavon West said:
All I'm going to ask is this: if sony we're buying ABK, would they play nice with Microsoft or Nintendo?

I'll give you 3 guesses, but you'll only need one
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Assumptions based only on your owns feeling, facts are a different story.

Sony never bought a big publisher, they only buy studios that they grow after, the only time they bought something big enough was Bungie (it's still not even close to Acti, and also Beth in terms of scale), and it's already said and established since day one that their games will stay multiplat. Meanwhile MS bought Bethesda and insta removed all their games from PS, games and IPs that were releasing always on PS and represented half of the entire fanbase.

Nice try tho.
 
DavidGzz

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Slicker than your average said:
He might be bitching but he's right.

Taking games that have been multiplat for years and years and locking it on your console is less choice.
It's embarrassing when Phil and co say they're doing it to give gamers more choice, even worse when the fan boys parrot this crap and think buying a few exclusive deals is anyway on the level of buying ALL 3rd party publisher's.
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Like Street Fighter and Final Fantasy? The only difference is Sony doesn't have the deep pockets to outright buy Capcom and Square or they would. If they could, they would lock them to one platform which is even worse. He's just whining cause he is scared and wants the Activision buyout to get rejected.
 
Kagey K

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Kerotan said:
Sony have stated they are free to remain multiplatform.
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You said.

With the purchase of destiny Sony has shown what should happen when a big multiplatform series is bought unlike Microsoft when they bought Bethesda.

I asked, what have they released since sonys purchase to prove it?

You answer is obviously nothing at this point.

MS have released more Bethesda games on PS than Bungie have on Sony since that announcement.
 
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drganon

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rofif said:
At least he is not cottonmouth like Phil. We all play we all win bs.
Microsoft have infinite money and monopoly is not good for anyone.
Jim is one of rare ceo who speaks plainly and we say it’s a bad thing? I am not a fan of the guy but it’s shame how easily people dump on him and eat all the sweet crap phill sells
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Xbox fanboys seem to really enjoy worshipping at the altar of a used car salesman.
 
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Duchess

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I sometimes feel like I'm the only serious gamer who doesn't give two shits about COD. I mean, played the original trilogy (PS3), and the campaign was very enjoyable, but after that I was done.
 
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Bernkastel

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AncientOrigin said:
The answer to that is easy.Very easy for Sony.Every game missing should/must be made from PlayStation Studios but way better that way they can keep their Diablo or call of Duty.As exclusives Sony would made way better games as the others.Sony didn’t care for these Typ of genres and games but now they should
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Yeah, because they definitely made the better games with SOCOM, Killzone and Resistance, am I right?
gamerant.com

Ex-Zipper Interactive Employee Shares 'SOCOM 4' Secrets

An ex-Zipper Interactive employee shares a little bit of what went into the events leading up to the release of 'SOCOM 4' and why it inevitably failed.
gamerant.com gamerant.com
If you think SONY is going to listen to the SOCOM community who has already given SONY quite a bit of money, you are mistaken. SONY has moved on (Notice Zipper is gone). They no longer wish to compete with CoD, since CoD already helps sell PS3 units. Look at Hockey, 989 Sports used to make Hockey games, but they stopped, why? They could not touch the competition, so no longer wished to try.
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Also, funny that you think that devs who have never made a Diablo game, can just make a better Diablo just because they are asked to make a Diablo competitor.
Yeah, it's very easy.
 
SSfox

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DavidGzz said:
Like Street Fighter and Final Fantasy? The only difference is Sony doesn't have the deep pockets to outright buy Capcom and Square or they would. If they could, they would lock them to one platform which is even worse. He's just whining cause he is scared and wants the Activision buyout to get rejected.
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www.gamespot.com

Ono says no budget for Street Fighter V

Yoshinori Ono says he doesn't have the budget or staff to make new entry in series; Ultra Street Fighter IV not going next-gen.
www.gamespot.com www.gamespot.com

And FF just like most Japanese games doesn't sell well enough on XBox.
 
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GhostOfTsu said:
Mainline Final Fantasies were always exclusive to a single platform (Nintendo or Sony, never Sega) until MS paid cash to have FF13. It's not like they had a big history on Xbox like COD on PS. All this crying also sounds fake when we know those games actually flopped while COD break records on PS every year.

We're lucky if we get 1 FF every 5 years 🙄
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Doesn’t matter what happened in the distant past. The series had transitioned to a multiplatform franchise.

If having a ‘big history’ is a major prerequisite for multiplatform support, why are many in this thread citing Starfield that essentially has no history anywhere?

GhostOfTsu said:
All this crying also sounds fake when we know those games actually flopped while COD break records on PS every year.

We're lucky if we get 1 FF every 5 years 🙄
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Not sure what the relevance of COD to this conversation is anymore, since MS is providing cast iron guarantees that the franchise would remain on PlayStation post acquisition.
 
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Kagey K

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SSfox said:
FF13 and FF15 were day on Xbox tho, but sales were around 10% overall thing.

And FF14 didn't release on Xbox cause MS didn't wanted to crossplay with Sony at the time.
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I don't think you cam prove that for ff13 or 15.

Show me 10%.
 
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SSfox said:
FF13 and FF15 were day on Xbox tho, but sales were around 10% overall thing.

And FF14 didn't release on Xbox cause MS didn't wanted to crossplay with Sony at the time.

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Please stop excusing Sony.

FFVII Remake and FFXVI are not on Xbox because Sony paid Square to have timed (or permanent?) exclusivity. Why do you explain a fact that Square bothered to make a Xbox port of Crisis Core? I can give you straight explanation. Because Sony did not pay for exclusivity of Crisis Core.

If it is about market share and profit (ie. Xbox gamers are not interested in FF series), why FF XVI is not releasing on PC day one? And why was FFVII remake ported after a year? Or PC gamers are also not interested in Final Fantasy games?
 
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The ironic thing is that Jim Ryan knows for sure COD isnt leaving PlayStation. Not only has MS made public commitments, it’s essentially guaranteed at this point that regulators will force MS to make that firm commitment as a concession. It also doesn’t really benefit MS to try to take the series exclusive. After seeing Halo tail off in popularity, they know more than anyone how transient MP leadership can be.

IMHO, Ryan is opposed to this deal for two reasons:

- After their current deal with Activision ends, no more marketing deals for PlayStation for COD if the acquisition goes through

- Day One COD on Gamepass will boost the service and significantly hike up GP’s ‘system seller’ credentials.

None of these impact PlayStation gamers. None of these significantly change the COD experience for PS players
 
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Bernkastel

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Kagey K

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Ozriel said:
The ironic thing is that Jim Ryan knows for sure COD isnt leaving PlayStation. Not only has MS made public commitments, it’s essentially guaranteed at this point that regulators will force MS to make that firm commitment as a concession.

Ryan is opposed to this deal for two reasons:

- After their current deal with Activision ends, no more marketing deals for PlayStation for COD if the acquisition goes through

- Day One COD on Gamepass will boost the service and significantly hike up GP’s ‘system seller’ credentials.

None of these impact PlayStation gamers. None of these significantly change the COD experience for PS players
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Those extra 5 tier skips, free operator and bonus XP weekends really mean something to Jim, if only everyone else understood it.

Remember when MS announced this purchase CoD was dead and Sony wouldn't miss it.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/brea...ion-blizzard-in-near-70-billion-deal.1627887/
 
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Cyberpunkd

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mansoor1980 said:
as a PS fan i have a love/hate thing for jimbo , but ill be damned he really is a pain in the ass for microsoft
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Is he? I would think the increased scrutiny of the deal has less to do with "think of poor PS gamers without Call of Duty!" and more with the building backslash directed at Big Tech in general. Microsoft just got this deal going at a wrong time.
 
DenchDeckard

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Man makes jack ass statement...Completely hypocritical statement.....fans everywhere start pointing fingers at everything they can to defend their company...

Let this deal get the scrutiny it deserves, which it obviously is and if it does go through...every one can shut up whining and get to deal with it...Everyone has cut exclusives off from the others. If it happens to Sony, they can deal with it.

Competition is a good thing!
 
Dick Jones

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Kagey K said:
You said.

With the purchase of destiny Sony has shown what should happen when a big multiplatform series is bought unlike Microsoft when they bought Bethesda.

I asked, what have they released since sonys purchase to prove it?

You answer is obviously nothing at this point.

MS have released more Bethesda games on PS than Bungie have on Sony since that announcement.
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Bungie have shown that they will fuck off if the deal doesn't suit them. They demanded autonomy as a red line and got it. You really think Bungie will hang around if Sony alter the deal? Bungie? Really?

Bungie was bought primarily to help Sony with their GAAS experience for the dozen Sony GAAS yet to come.

Are you comparing a publisher Bethesda with a studio Bungie on who releases more? If Nintendo bought EA in July and EA release Madden and FIFA in September on Xbox/PS, it doesn't count as releases that Nintendo should get credit for. Contracts were signed and the new owner honours the contract. The recent Destiny DLC doesn't count as Sony being the good guys allowing multiplatform versions, contracts were signed well ahead of time.
 
Bernkastel

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SSfox said:
FF13 and FF15 were day on Xbox tho, but sales were around 10% overall thing.

And FF14 didn't release on Xbox cause MS didn't wanted to crossplay with Sony at the time.

www.destructoid.com

Square explains why there's no Final Fantasy XIV for Xbox

www.destructoid.com www.destructoid.com
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Instead they bothered to port the entire Kingdom Hearts series to Xbox and all the older Final Fantasy games eventually came to Xbox, they even updated the Final Fantasy XIII with PS3 assets transcoded to the bink format used in 360. Mainline FF games is only where this bullshit happened.
 
Orbital2060

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Ozriel said:
The ironic thing is that Jim Ryan knows for sure COD isnt leaving PlayStation. Not only has MS made public commitments, it’s essentially guaranteed at this point that regulators will force MS to make that firm commitment as a concession. It also doesn’t really benefit MS to try to take the series exclusive. After seeing Halo tail off in popularity, they know more than anyone how transient MP leadership can be.

IMHO, Ryan is opposed to this deal for two reasons:

- After their current deal with Activision ends, no more marketing deals for PlayStation for COD if the acquisition goes through

- Day One COD on Gamepass will boost the service and significantly hike up GP’s ‘system seller’ credentials.

None of these impact PlayStation gamers. None of these significantly change the COD experience for PS players
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I think Call of Duty is somewhat of a red herring in all of this. It brings in a lot of money and customers, yeah. But the underlying issue I think is Game Pass availability as you mention, and then the whole economy behind that. Sony business model which still focuses on a 25 year old retail model versus a new subscription model that Microsoft has adopted and developed for Xbox. Thats basically the big elephant in the room that both are skirting around, and no amount of promises around Call of Duty is going to reach an agreement on that. Its like a proxy argument for the real issue, an old business model versus a new one and thats whats behind Sony pushback with the different regulators, because they know they are late on this and dont have the finances (as of right now) to do anything about it.
 
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Orbital2060 said:
I think Call of Duty is somewhat of a red herring in all of this. It brings in a lot of money and customers, yeah. But the underlying issue I think is Game Pass availability as you mention, and then the whole economy behind that. Sony business model which still focuses on a 25 year old retail model versus a new subscription model that Microsoft has adopted and developed for Xbox. Thats basically the big elephant in the room that both are skirting around, and no amount of promises around Call of Duty is going to reach an agreement on that. Its like a proxy argument for the real issue, an old business model versus a new one and thats whats behind Sony pushback with the different regulators, because they know they are late on this and dont have the finances (as of right now) to do anything about it.
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But that is Sony's problem. You can't block the deal on the argument "they are disrupting market with new business model and we don't want to go that route," right? Because even regulatory bodies likes innovation in industries and fact is, that Game Pass is innovative.
Also, Sony has nobody else then themselves to blame. They could easily struck down Game Pass if they were willing to do what Microsoft has done (letting first-party games into subscription day one) because they have better first-party games and they have more of them. They did not do that and now they are crying and trying to impede growth of competing service not by providing players with better service, but by trying to get this deal blocked.
 
Slicker than your average

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DavidGzz said:
Like Street Fighter and Final Fantasy? The only difference is Sony doesn't have the deep pockets to outright buy Capcom and Square or they would. If they could, they would lock them to one platform which is even worse. He's just whining cause he is scared and wants the Activision buyout to get rejected.
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Another clown with the imaginary scenario, but but Sony might have done this if it had the money.
They bought bungie as a reaction to Bethsaida and kept destiny multiplatform..

Did MS do the same with ? No
 
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Slicker than your average said:
Another clown with the imaginary scenario, but but Sony might have done this if it had the money.
They bought bungie as a reaction to Bethsaida and kept destiny multiplatform..

Did MS do the same with ? No
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Do I need to repeat again?
Destiny is (and will be) multiplatform (and future Bungo games) not because Sony wanted it that way, but because it was condition for Bungie to sell. They requested "independence" and that's why they are not technically part of PlayStation Studios but separate entity.
 
John Wick

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ZehDon said:
Jimbo, Jimbo, Jimbo. PR 101: If you're going to call out your competitor for dominating an industry, make sure the industry you're suggesting they're dominating isn't an industry you yourself have been dominating for twenty years.
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Dominating in what way? Console sales? Revenue? Profit? It was 2014 that Sony started to dominate again and then the Switch took over. So I don't know where you got these 20 years from?
 
DavidGzz

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Slicker than your average said:
Another clown with the imaginary scenario, but but Sony might have done this if it had the money.
They bought bungie as a reaction to Bethsaida and kept destiny multiplatform..

Did MS do the same with ? No
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Lol, so butthurt over someone calling Jimbo out and Sony doing the same things(on a weaker budget) so he resorts to calling names. Last I heard CoD and Minecraft are remaining multiplatform. 2 vs. 1 in favor of MS. Next.
 
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Slicker than your average said:
Another clown with the imaginary scenario, but but Sony might have done this if it had the money.
They bought bungie as a reaction to Bethsaida and kept destiny multiplatform..

Did MS do the same with ? No
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Actually, the assurances MS is providing for COD will be exponentially more iron-tight that anything from Bungie.

MS will commit to regulators in a formal and binding agreement that COD will remain on PlayStation.

There are no such guarantees that future Bungie shooters will come to Xbox.
 
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