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EU Sales January 2023 - PS5 up 202%, Xbox down 32%.

Brucey

Member
So they become Destiny factory instead.
Sony gave them the freedom to do multiplatform releases and gained experience with gaming as a service for their other internal studios. Sony also has a proven history in cultivating and working with gaming developers to achieve their visions. MS is horribly horribly bad at managing content/artists like that. It's just not one of their core competencies.
 
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Nah, I don't take console sales that seriously. Microsoft doesn't need to sell as many consoles as Playstation to be successful.
Unlike PS, Xbox games are on PC. If Sony made their games day and date on PC, the sales of PS would drop.
Xbox can sell 75 million XSXS and this has been a successful generation.
They have a different buisness model than Sony.
Sony is all in on PS, and then trying to make up some more profit from PC gamers with late releases.
MS has console, PC, Cloud, GP.
So everyone who is trying to compare Sony's sales of PS with Xbox are nothing other than trolls.
 

TheDreadLord

Gold Member
There’s so much BC goodness. Can’t agree.

Plus Halo MCC, Forza H and MS and Gamepass.

Not to mention all future Bethesda/ID/Arkane Studios games.

I’m happy with my purchase and years left of GPU saved up.
Dude, I have the physical version o MCC and Forza I play since the Xbox360, so I already bought all of them. Most of the games offered by GP I already own and the rest I simply don’t have the time to flip through a number o indie games. For me, it isn’t worth to keep an active membership (I don’t know why I keep paying it since I don’t use it lol). The only benefit I can get from GP is when MS releases an AAA since it will be cheaper to subscribe to GP for 1 month and play said game. However, it’s been 2+ years without any major release, so…
 
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Cyberpunkd

Member
Hum...Playstation is a Japanese company.
How come Xbox being american is an excuse?
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No surprises here. If it was down in the US, then it was only going to be worse in Europe. I don't know what to say that hasnt already been said. If opening the wallet isn't going to work then maybe it's time for Microsoft to stop making consoles? Become a 3rd party publisher and instantly open an entire audience to your content. Microsoft are hampering themselves by having their own hardware imo. Trying to push for services doesn't work if that sub is locked to your own failing hardware.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
The XSX was also supply restrained at the same time as PS5, and infact is now more supply constrained now than the PS5 is. Not everyone wants a Series S.
On top of that, no one is buying a $500 console that they can't find because the can't find a PS5. No one is jumping from the PS5 ecosystem to the xbox one like that. What, you can't find a PS4 to play Ratchet and Spiderman, so you buy a Xbox where you will never play Ratchet or Spiderman?
Nah. This is one of the silliest PS fanboy argument I have heard.
Except Series X is not supply constrained. It's available almost everywhere.
Both Series X and Series S are readily available. The problem now is the lack of demand, which is why they are not selling as many consoles, and which is why the hardware revenue is also down.
 

Marvel14

Banned
Yep ....People don't seem to understand the nuance. You aren't barred from acquisitions only when you already are a monopoly. You are barred from them when you're attempting to gain or increase monopoly power through non competitive means.
Both Series X and Series S are readily available. The problem now is the lack of demand, which is why they are not selling as many consoles, and which is why the hardware revenue is also down
Which is why MS keeps trying to acquire gaming properties. It isn't keeping competitive through innovative or attractive products but through its uber deep pockets. "isn't MS sypposed to be a monopoly?" plays beautifully to the partizan crowd.
 
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Gobjuduck

Banned
MS were very fortunate with this turn of events.
I say Nintendo was more fortunate, the switch dominated the market for nearly two years.

Since there are more ps4 gamers than Xbox one gamers, it’s pretty clear how ps5 would have a higher adoption rate.
 

John Wick

Member
I'm in support of $100 games and blocking the MS monopoly.
Why do you think MS doesn't have enough developers and studios to compete with Sony after buying Bethesda?
So what you want is MS to do what they normally do to compete which is to use their vast wealth and buy up all the big 3rd party publishers eh?
Sony have earned their position just like Nintendo. Time for MS to do the same.
 

Melchiah

Member
EU has always been Sony territory.

With no games and lots of PS5-hype, Xbox might as well be non-existent in EU from now on.

People always say this, like it's some arbitrary partiality, but few care to actually think about why it is the way it is.

Sony put an effort into localisation early on during the PS1 days, when their competitors treated the European market as an afterthought. Microsoft hasn't made a similar effort during their 21 years in the market. Hell, when Xbox One was introduced, it was advertised with features that were tailored for American customers (cable TV and NFL), and when it was finally available across Europe Kinect didn't support all European languages. Microsoft has tried to correct a lot of things since then, but their localisation is still lacking.
 
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People always say this, like it's some arbitrary partiality, but few care to actually think about why it is the way it is.

Sony put an effort into localisation early on during the PS1 days, when their competitors treated the European market as an afterthought. Microsoft hasn't made a similar effort during their 21 years in the market. Hell, when Xbox One was introduced, it was advertised with features that were tailored for American customers (cable TV and NFL), and when it was finally available across Europe Kinect didn't support all European languages. Microsoft has tried to correct a lot of things since then, but their localisation is still lacking.
Sure, that's part of the why, but you make it seem like it's all because of localisation.

It's also because MS considers EU as Tier 2 and they're typically American anti-consumer.
Europeans don't want that.
(That's ignoring both companies games libraries)

Anyway, the why doesn't matter, really.

It is what it is.
 
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MacReady13

Member
Clearly it's still this guy's fault...

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I’ve said all along that Microsoft didn’t need PR boy Phil in charge. He’s done sweet fuck all to improve Xbox in any way whatsoever. The 360 was easily peak Xbox and they’ve gone downhill ever since. Not releasing games but instead focusing on a sub service is a massive downfall in my opinion.

PS5 being so dominant is not a shock either. I specifically said for the last year and a bit trying to get PS5 consoles was impossible in Australia. Soon as they came in stock they went straight away whereas Series X consoles would stay available for days. Microsoft just really need to read the tea leaves. Pack it up and put their sub service on TV’s and PC’s. Try their luck that way and see if that gains traction. Maybe drop the subs to $1 a month to see if anyone bites???
 

Gobjuduck

Banned
Remember just before the start of the gen and all the talk was about 12 teraflops and how Sony were screwed with genius XSS move?
Xbox is slightly more powerful (objectively by the math) when Sony has had the hardware advantage for 4 generations in a row, it’s a big deal when they don’t.

The difference is so small, it doesn’t even matter. Both Xbox fans and Sony fans have been wrong about their consoles power. Xbox was supposed to be noticeably more powerful (it’s not). Ps5 was supposed to be far faster (it’s not).
 
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Melchiah

Member
Sure, that's part of the why, but you make it seem like it's all because of localisation.

It's also because MS considers EU as Tier 2 and they're typically American anti-consumer.
Europeans don't want that.
(That's ignoring both companies games libraries)

Anyway, the why doesn't matter, really.

It is what it is.
True. It's not just language localisation, but how they advertise globally, and AFAIK some eastern countries of Europe still don't have official Xbox presence. It's all part of the localisation. As for languages, it doesn't really make a system suitable for the whole family, if it doesn't support your local language, eventhough it's cheaper like XSS. It is what it is, as long as they're unwilling to make a change.
 
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Except Series X is not supply constrained. It's available almost everywhere.
Both Series X and Series S are readily available. The problem now is the lack of demand, which is why they are not selling as many consoles, and which is why the hardware revenue is also down.
It's still sold out in many places and hasn't been in stock for awhile.
It's 10 times easier to find a PS5 than a XSX. Fact.
Using the retard fanboy logic I could say that all these PS5s in the shops is evidence that no one wants them.

The logic you Sony fanboys use to try and justify a sales win to PS is amazing. If XSX outsold PS5 it was because people who really wanted to buy a PS5 couldn't and settled for an xbox.
Then when they outsold Sony again it was Microsoft paying AMD for chip preference.

As I said, MS doesn't need to outsell PS5 to be a success.
If PS5 sells 100 million, and Xbox sells 75 million, both companies will be happy. There are more ways to play xbox games than PS. PC, Xbox and cloud.
MS has a different buisness model.
 

Lyrical

Banned
Xbox is slightly more powerful (objectively by the math) when Sony has had the hardware advantage for 4 generations in a row, it’s a big deal when they don’t.

The difference is so small, it doesn’t even matter. Both Xbox fans and Sony fans have been wrong about their consoles power. Xbox was supposed to be noticeably more powerful (it’s not). Ps5 was supposed to be far faster (it’s not).
I’ve yet to see an open world game on the Xbox load as fast as Spider-Man MM.
 

Gobjuduck

Banned
As I said, MS doesn't need to outsell PS5 to be a success.
If PS5 sells 100 million, and Xbox sells 75 million, both companies will be happy.
Sony fans want Xbox to die. There is room for third place, and Xbox is happy there. Xbox’s biggest fear isn’t Sony, it’s apple/google/amazon potentially taking their spot.

Microsoft is too big to fail, and Xbox is a forever pillar of their brand.
 
True. It's not just language localisation, but how they advertise globally, and AFAIK some eastern countries of Europe still don't have official Xbox presence. It's all part of the localisation. As for languages, it doesn't really make a system suitable for the whole family, if it doesn't support your local language, eventhough it's cheaper like XSS. It is what it is, as long as they're unwilling to make a change.
True, but it’s too late for MS, I think. Playstation mindshare is far too strong in the EU.

I honestly don't see them recovering. X360 was their best shot.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Sony fans want Xbox to die. There is room for third place, and Xbox is happy there. Xbox’s biggest fear isn’t Sony, it’s apple/google/amazon potentially taking their spot.

Microsoft is too big to fail, and Xbox is a forever pillar of their brand.
You really think they're satisfied with being in third place. :messenger_grinning_sweat: They're not trying to spend billions over 80 billion dollars just to remain in third place.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
It's still sold out in many places and hasn't been in stock for awhile.
It's 10 times easier to find a PS5 than a XSX. Fact.
Using the retard fanboy logic I could say that all these PS5s in the shops is evidence that no one wants them.

The logic you Sony fanboys use to try and justify a sales win to PS is amazing. If XSX outsold PS5 it was because people who really wanted to buy a PS5 couldn't and settled for an xbox.
Then when they outsold Sony again it was Microsoft paying AMD for chip preference.
1) Calm down.
2) That's not how "facts" works. Facts are me showing XSX being available in all major EU and US Amazon stores. You saying, "it's 10 times easier to find a PS5 than a XSX," which is absolutely baseless, is not "fact."

Why is it "10 times more to difficult to buy an XSX" when you just have to click a button on Amazon?

As I said, MS doesn't need to outsell PS5 to be a success.
If PS5 sells 100 million, and Xbox sells 75 million, both companies will be happy. There are more ways to play xbox games than PS. PC, Xbox and cloud.
MS has a different buisness model.
75 million?

Xbox One sold ~52 million, and XBS is pretty much now tracking behind Xbox One, and dropping fast. So, at this pace, they will sell less than 45-50 million.
 
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism


Google m8.
The first article is about player count, not sales. (which is meaningless because the game launched on Game Pass)

The second article claims it sold more at launch in the US but I can't find any tweet about Forza Horizon 5 by Mat about this. The tweet link the article shares also returns a 404.

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DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
It's still sold out in many places and hasn't been in stock for awhile.
It's 10 times easier to find a PS5 than a XSX. Fact.
Using the retard fanboy logic I could say that all these PS5s in the shops is evidence that no one wants them.

The logic you Sony fanboys use to try and justify a sales win to PS is amazing. If XSX outsold PS5 it was because people who really wanted to buy a PS5 couldn't and settled for an xbox.
Then when they outsold Sony again it was Microsoft paying AMD for chip preference.

As I said, MS doesn't need to outsell PS5 to be a success.
If PS5 sells 100 million, and Xbox sells 75 million, both companies will be happy. There are more ways to play xbox games than PS. PC, Xbox and cloud.
MS has a different buisness model.

Don't pretend Xbox fanboys weren't celebrating last year when Xbox was outselling PlayStation 5.

Xbox fans came into this gen calling Xbox Series S a smart move because Microsoft was going to undercut Sony with the $499 and $299 price points.

Now the narrative has changed once again because Xbox is no longer winning in Europe and in the US over PlayStation. You guys change the narrative at the drop of a hat.

If it was all about success, then they wouldn't make games exclusive. They would want success from their IPs by releasing games like Starfield and Redfall, two games that were planned to be released on PS consoles.

Xbox is a major part of their current success because that's what's driving most of their core Xbox ecosystem.
 
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