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[DeepEnigma]

Poor IGN. They think this is news.

Next at 11, water is in fact wet.

They already said they started work on this game long before the acquisition process was started or completed.

They know it will gain traction as a hot topic due to the regulation going on. And it is.

 

[nial]

phil can keep it, anyway

 

[TheDreadBaron]

Is this even a good business strategy? Spend billions on developers, make games exclusive, lose out on half of potential software sales….profit? I can see the long term strategy of selling more boxes and getting people in their ecosystem, but just get the money now folks nobody’s buying an xbox for redfall.

 

[Gobjuduck]

You mean the Street Fighter 5 that Sony came in and saved by co-funding? The people these questions need to be directed at are the developers and not Sony.

Xbox is full funding starfield, redfall and more…

FFVIIR exclusivity period ended March 3, 2021 for the PlayStation and its even displayed on the box art.

The deal was possibly extended, to keep it off Xbox.

 

[adamsapple]

Congrats you didn't understand my post , there is a 25% of confirmed error, probably like that Superman game sony is supposedly develloping...I will simplify it for you...In a divorce X will say Y did bad things and the opposite too, but none are to be trusted.In this case you are only listening to MS that have been known to lie ... a lot.

No, I'm simply saying the FFVII R exclusivity window was already extended once, we only found out about the extension when a new FFVII R re-release was announced. Unless they are going to make public announcements about another re-release, we're not going to know if and how much they have extended again.

Even Deathloop, Ghostwire were not even mentioned for other platforms outside of the same canned * exclusivity message * at the end of the trailers just like FFVII R. Odds are high if MS didn't acquire Zenimax, those games exclusivity windows would also keep getting longer.

It's pretty clear really.

 

[GHG]

That is according to Microsoft not according to the CMA.

After all this time, with everything we've seen throughout the discussions related to the acquisition, you expect people to be able to make those kinds of distinctions?

It's a relief when you can see somebody has even bothered to read something.

 

[Kvally]

After all this time, with everything we've seen throughout the discussions related to the acquisition, you expect people to be able to make those kinds of distinctions?

It's a relief when you can see somebody has even bothered to read something.

I made those distinctions clearly. I mentioned in reporting regarding the CMA filings. And also used the word "supposedly" and it was "italicized"

 

[azertydu91]

No, I'm simply saying the FFVII R exclusivity window was already extended once, we only found out about the extension when a new FFVII R re-release was announced. Unless they are going to make public announcements about another re-release, we're not going to know if and how much they have extended again.

Even Deathloop, Ghostwire were not even mentioned for other platforms outside of the same canned * exclusivity message * at the end of the trailers just like FFVII R. Odds are high if MS didn't acquire Zenimax, those games exclusivity windows would also keep getting longer.

It's pretty clear really.

So they announced the new version and came clear about the extension but not when they made it permanent....So they lied to consumers, bring them to court if your evidences are that solid.
So you wanted them to say exclusive for 6 months but available on xbox later, that's what you want them to say ?Do you hold the same standrad for Xbox that doesn't even acknowledge if it is timed or the duration ?
And i'd add that it has nothing to do what the platform the publisher want to put a game on once the timed exclusivity is over, it is square enix's choice, they could've ported it on Switch and that's it, or not ported it at all.

 

[DenchDeckard]

This Phil Spencer quote was 2 days after closing the acquisition.

Before the acquisition closed, his statements were like "this deal is not done for taking games away from another playerbase."

Good for him. this was like 3 years ago at this point....You think we would have more things to talk about.

Did he lie to regulators? Did he tell users that future new IP would release on PS5 after the acquisition?

Did he lie to us as marketing speal? Looks like he did....so what?

Did he say he wanted to make these games exclusive, yes he did....Does it matter if its a day after, the same day....The last communication was he sat there and said this was to make Xbox more appealing and to make games available everywhere that gamepass is available....THat is more platforms, more devices. Who really gives a shit?

 

[FlyyGOD]

But Phil said he wanted to bring games to more players!!

Yup threw gamepass

 

[azertydu91]

After all this time, with everything we've seen throughout the discussions related to the acquisition, you expect people to be able to make those kinds of distinctions?

It's a relief when you can see somebody has even bothered to read something.

That is according to Microsoft not according to the CMA.

Guys, K Kvally tried to bring sources to adamsapple bold claim, I'd rather have someone to bring me sources even if not trustworthy than nothing but tales from his ass.So kvally is not the problem here , who here hasn't posted a source and later found out it was not the best choice of sources?

 

[adamsapple]

So they announced the new version and came clear about the extension but not when they made it permanent....So they lied to consumers, bring them to court if your evidences are that solid.
So you wanted them to say exclusive for 6 months but available on xbox later, that's what you want them to say ?Do you hold the same standrad for Xbox that doesn't even acknowledge if it is timed or the duration ?
And i'd add that it has nothing to do what the platform the publisher want to put a game on once the timed exclusivity is over, it is square enix's choice, they could've ported it on Switch and that's it, or not ported it at all.

What are you talking about, they do all the time. Valheim's xbox page itself says the exclusivity window is for 6 months as the latest example.

Games like Medium etc are also clearly labeled as 'launch exclusives' in their launch media.

Also, we know from Village's leaked contract that Sony has the first right of refusal for renegotiation for marketing contracts, it's extremely easy to see how they can extend the duration, like they've already done once for FFVII R.

I don't know why this is such a difficult thing for you to imagine.

Like, you really think MS wouldn't pay Square to bring FFVII R to Xbox, especially since they already have Crisis Core, and every FF game that has been on modern Xbox consoles has come to game pass for 1 to 2 years or more ? Really ?

 

[Airbus Jr]

Never really heard about redfall until today

This look like another generic fps game ive already played hundred times over

If they really want to keep it out of playstation just let em have it

 

[azertydu91]

Yup threw gamepass

Yep hence the PR first better or best on Xbox, that totally means not on playstation.

 

[Germuso]

Sony dodged a bullet.

 

[jm89]

Did he lie? Looks like he did....so what?

Baby steps we getting there

 

[Kvally]

Guys, K Kvally tried to bring sources to adamsapple bold claim, I'd rather have someone to bring me sources even if not trustworthy than nothing but tales from his ass.So kvally is not the problem here , who here hasn't posted a source and later found out it was not the best choice of sources?

Hey now, if you are going to call me out, at least give me a chance to do my hair, wax my taint and rub one off. I don't want to be seen in a negative light and no filter.

 

[GHG]

I was just talking about "reports" related to CMA. I wasn't trying to insinuate that CMA said it.

The CMA didn't report anything. All of the quotes from the article you quoted come from a Microsoft submission.

This is why it would benefit most people to read information at source whenever possible in order to ensure you get the correct context.

This was your original statement based on your interpretation:

Supposedly, according to CMA reporting for the acquisition of Activision, Sony is preventing it from coming to Xbox permanently.

None of that is correct.

 

[SoloKingRobert]

But hey, that's not me!

I think you've misinterpreted what Phil Spencer said. He said he wont take away games like Skyrim or shut down services from PS5. It was on a Game by Game bases. New announced Games will be Xbox/Windows exclusive. there were no commitment during the acquisition.

I hope the CMA and FTC will take note of this.

After Zenimax Acquisition there were no commitment to release new games on PlayStation 5.

 

[mrmustard]

NeoGAF in a nutshell:

Thread "Redfall Is Always Online Even In Single-Player, Bethesda Confirms"
= a drama with 13 pages

Thread "Redfall developer working on U-turn for single-player always online restriction.
= nobody cares.

Thread "IGN France: Yes, Redfall was originally planned for PS5"
= a drama with probably >20 pages although everybody already knew it.

 

[Mr Moose]

No, I'm simply saying the FFVII R exclusivity window was already extended once, we only found out about the extension when a new FFVII R re-release was announced. Unless they are going to make public announcements about another re-release, we're not going to know if and how much they have extended again.

We know it wasn't extended because the PC version released after the previous extension ended.

 

[azertydu91]

What are you talking about, they do all the time. Valheim's xbox page itself says the exclusivity window is for 6 months as the latest example.

Games like Medium etc are also clearly labeled as 'launch exclusives' in their launch media.

Also, we know from Village's leaked contract that Sony has the first right of refusal for renegotiation for marketing contracts, it's extremely easy to see how they can extend the duration, like they've already done once for FFVII R.

I don't know why this is such a difficult thing for you to imagine.

Like, you really think MS wouldn't pay Square to bring FFVII R to Xbox, especially since they already have Crisis Core, and every FF game that has been on modern Xbox consoles has come to game pass for 1 to 2 years or more ? Really ?

So look at their trailers and go find the exclusivity duration, from all those studio that have "no plan on bringing their games on playstation".
But nice choice of words, no date for the medium scorn ascent or antything and sorry but there's no mention of timed exclusivity on their page.See a source showing you lying...again

Edit: always the same answers when proven wrong

 

[NonPhixion]

We got the rayrays talking about FFVIIR being kept off Xbox. It took the original 22 years to come to Xbox. Can you name more than 1 mainline Final Fantasy game that came day 1 to xbox?

Should probably wait two decades before you actually start crying about FFVIIR.

 

[azertydu91]

Hey now, if you are going to call me out, at least give me a chance to do my hair, wax my taint and rub one off. I don't want to be seen in a negative light and no filter.

That was more in your defense than anything.

 

[Kvally]

All of the quotes from the article you quoted come from a Microsoft submission.

Correct. For a CMA trial. Microsoft's lawyers provided reports for the CMA. Those are reports that MS gave the CMA to have.

 

[Flutta]

They mentioned bloodborne, sure, but more importantly they mentioned FF16, Sh2 and VIIR, all of which *are* third party paid exclusives.

Yes they are, difference is Sony is not pretending that exclusivity is bad like MS, which they also have done similar deals every generation. Second do we have any reports on those games being made for both platforms then getting one version scrapped? Like Starfield, Redfall etc.
Third, Is/was Sony funding/helping with the development of those games?
Fourth, does Sony have any ownership of those IP’s?

You’re comparing Apples to Oranges here.

 

[GHG]

Correct. For a CMA trial. Microsoft's lawyers provided reports for the CMA. Those are reports that MS gave the CMA to have.

That's not what you originally said, what you originally said was quoted in my previous post. But keep on going instead of just saying you got it wrong. You're in great company.

 

[Gobjuduck]

Yes they are, difference is Sony is not pretending that exclusivity is bad

They seem to think CoD being exclusive is very very bad

 

[Kvally]

That's not what you originally said, what you originally said was quoted in my previous post. But keep on going instead of just saying you got it wrong. You're in great company.

Nope, my post is still there...with quotes as well as link (this will show you all the exact quotes for the report given to CMA) from MS in the reports they supplied to the CMA. But you do you. And good luck with that.

 

[adamsapple]

Yes they are, difference is Sony is not pretending that exclusivity is bad like MS, which they also have done similar deals every generation. Second do we have any reports on those games being made for both platforms then getting one version scrapped? Like Starfield, Redfall etc.
Third, Is/was Sony funding/helping with the development of these games?
Fourth, does Sony have ownership of those IP’s?

You’re comparing Apples to Oranges here.

To your third and fourth point, whose to say Arkane's funding didn't increase after MS's acquisition. Remember that Double Fine literally credit MS's acquisition for them being able to complete key things like the boss fights in Psychonauts 2, it was a game smaller in scope before that. And Sony doesn't have ownership of those IP, which makes it even worse in terms of them being locked to one console, at least with an acquisition, the expectations are different because of 1P association. If Sony buys Square Enix, it would be a lot less of an issue about their games not coming to Xbox.

Also, the whole CMA documentation/responses are about Sony not wanting CoD to become exclusive. How can anyone say Sony is not pretending exclusivity is good/bad.

We know it wasn't extended because the PC version released after the previous extension ended.

PC versions release has little to no bearing on the exclusivity being tied to the consoles.

So look at their trailers and go find the exclusivity duration, from all those studio that have "no plan on bringing their games on playstation".
But nice choice of words, no date for the medium scorn ascent or antything and sorry but there's no mention of timed exclusivity on their page.See a source showing you lying...again

Lying ? ok bud

Now you go show me a source where it says Square have deliberately chosen not to release FFVII R on Xbox because of business/sales reasons.

 

[Chukhopops]

We got the rayrays talking about FFVIIR being kept off Xbox. It took the original 22 years to come to Xbox. Can you name more than 1 mainline Final Fantasy game that came day 1 to xbox?

Should probably wait two decades before you actually start crying about FFVIIR.

FF XIII
FF XV

It also doesn’t help that Xbox didn’t even exist when the first nine FF games released.

 

[Heisenberg007]

The exclusivity window for that has been extended by Sony.

We all know that. You know that too.

Final Fantasy 7 Remake Intergrade will be a PS5 exclusive until at least December 10

The enhanced edition of the game won't come to other platforms for some time

www.gamesradar.com

Not the same game. Intergrade is the PS5 version.

We all know that. You know that too.

 

[StueyDuck]

Consolidation yaaaaay...

And the worst part is the numpties will keep being cheering this on with their favorite platforms till its all Disneyfied and fucked.

I don't know if I'm staying with gaming when next gen rolls around, I don't play as much as I use to anyway but if all we are gonna get is she-hulks and obi-wans of gaming it's gonna be hot shit

 

[GHG]

Nope, my post is still there...with quotes as well as link (this will show you all the exact quotes for the report given to CMA) from MS in the reports they supplied to the CMA. But you do you. And good luck with that.

Ok so you have amnesia, got it. It's ok though, you're not the only one here and I think Phil has it too.

 

[graywolf323]

Supposedly, according to CMA reporting for the acquisition of Activision, Sony is preventing it from coming to Xbox permanently.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Sony-...sda-games-Xbox-and-PC-exclusive.676457.0.html

I have never made a game, but I can't imagine it would be that hard to port a game from Windows PC to Xbox.

that’s according to Microsoft’s submission to the CMA, not according to the CMA

 

[Mr Moose]

PC versions release has little to no bearing on the exclusivity being tied to the consoles.

That's the end of the exclusivity window when the PC version released.
They never said they were going to port it to Xbox, they still might do it but who knows?

 

[adamsapple]

Not the same game. Intergrade is the PS5 version.

We all know that. You know that too.

Doesn't matter, reportedly Sony have paid to keep FFVIIR a permanent exclusive, as per documentation submitted to the regulatory bodies

 

[Flutta]

They seem to think CoD being exclusive is very very bad

Well there’s a reason for that, which yourself probably already know. I mean i would understand your confusion if you been living under a rock for the past two decades.

 

[Punished Miku]

Doesn't matter, reportedly Sony have paid to keep FFVIIR a permanent exclusive, as per documentation submitted to the regulatory bodies

That was "Project" FFVII. Totally different game.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Doesn't matter, reportedly Sony have paid to keep FFVIIR a permanent exclusive, as per documentation submitted* to the regulatory bodies

*by Microsoft lawyers who can't tell Bloodborne from Madden.

 

[Mr Moose]

Doesn't matter, reportedly Sony have paid to keep FFVIIR a permanent exclusive, as per documentation submitted to the regulatory bodies

And listed Bloodborne, which calls into question the whole statement. MicroSoft lawyers are fucking dumb.

 

[NonPhixion]

FF XIII
FF XV

It also doesn’t help that Xbox didn’t even exist when the first nine FF games released.

Check when XIII launched on PlayStation.

 

[azertydu91]

To your third and fourth point, whose to say Arkane's funding didn't increase after MS's acquisition. Remember that Double Fine literally credit MS's acquisition for them being able to complete key things like the boss fights in Psychonauts 2, it was a game smaller in scope before that. And Sony doesn't have ownership of those IP, which makes it even worse in terms of them being locked to one console, at least with an acquisition, the expectations are different because of 1P association. If Sony buys Square Enix, it would be a lot less of an issue about their games not coming to Xbox.

Also, the whole CMA documentation/responses are about Sony not wanting CoD to become exclusive. How can anyone say Sony is not pretending exclusivity is good/bad.



PC versions release has little to no bearing on the exclusivity being tied to the consoles.




Lying ? ok bud

Now you go show me a source where it says Square have deliberately chosen not to release FFVII R on Xbox because of business/sales reasons.

Alright they did for one game, now do the others, or on their page, look at the link I sent you....They've finally done it for one game....But your other examples are?

Edit by the way from which trailer is it? I couldn't find it on xbox youtube channel

 

[GHG]

that’s according to Microsoft’s submission to the CMA, not according to the CMA

I've already tried to go through this with him. He's now spinning around more than Kylie Minogue in 2000, so good luck.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I think at this point we all know that Bethesda and Activision acquisitions are all about making games exclusive to Xbox and Game Pass. There shouldn't be any surprises anymore. If COD goes exclusive after the 10 year agreement, I wouldn't even bat an eye. These guys are just trying to appeal to anyone who will listen and feed them what they want to hear. I also don't believe that Bungie won't be making exclusive games for PS, including a future Destiny.

It's all about the money, not about us

True. As I have said before on this very forum, I don't buy/play Bethesda or ABK games, so these acquisitions do not affect me at all.

You want to make them exclusives? Go ahead, Microsoft. Good for you. My only problem is that 24/7 hypocrisy, lying, and posing as the good guys.

You're making them exclusives, good, own that. But then you don't get to say "gaming is for everyone" and "when everyone plays, we all win" while forcing developers to cancel PlayStation versions of their games.

People will call you out when a company acts like this - no matter who they are.

 

[Three]

Supposedly, according to CMA reporting for the acquisition of Activision, Sony is preventing it from coming to Xbox permanently.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Sony-...sda-games-Xbox-and-PC-exclusive.676457.0.html

I have never made a game, but I can't imagine it would be that hard to port a game from Windows PC to Xbox.

That's the dumb lawyers who think blooborne (a sony published game) is being 'blocked'. I wouldn't put too much faith in that.

 

[Kvally]

Ok so you have amnesia, got it. It's ok though, you're not the only one here and I think Phil has it too.

Like I said, good luck. Not sure what Uncle Phil has to do with anything though.

that’s according to Microsoft’s submission to the CMA, not according to the CMA

Correct. These are the reports that MS gave to CMA. CMA aren't the ones who said the quote. CMA wouldn't even know unless MS gave them the reports.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

If only this was the stance from the start.

I try not to pay attention to what Jim Ryan and Phil Spencer or their underlings have to say tbh. They are there to market a product first and foremost when they speak and they will say whatever is in their best interest at that moment, Phil more so for sure, but regardless. I just want to know what games are coming out and on what date, and then I will either play them or I won't.

 

[Heisenberg007]

You can, unless you limit yourself to just a Sony console.

So "Xbox wants gamers to play the games they love on the devices they love, as long as it is not a PlayStation." So gaming is not for everyone.

You can play on whatever device you post on NeoGAF with.

I literally can't. That's not a possibility for me.

 

[Unknown?]

Xbox is full funding starfield, redfall and more…

The deal was possibly extended, to keep it off Xbox.

Only because they fully bought them out, they weren't funding those projects before acquisition. The mental gymnastics here is insane.