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Fallout New Vegas |OT| Obsidian does what Bethesdon't

BigTnaples

Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
So just beat this last night, what's the word on the DLC? Worth it? I see they all got very mediocre reviews. I loved much of the FO3 DLC. Would I be disappointed by NV DLC?
 

morningbus

Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
The DLC for NV is all pretty great, with Old World Blues being the best.

A lot of people didn't like Dead Money, I didn't mind the change of pace. I'd put it above Honest Hearts, personally.
 
Stay clear of Dead Money. Very very clear. I went in thinking it couldn't be as bad as everyone said it was. I was so fucking wrong.

Best DLC is probably Old World Blues.

I think Dead Money is actually my favorite. That or Old World Blues, I'm really not sure. But I really liked Dead Money, I thought the characters in it were pretty good. And once you got out of the first area (which did take a long time) things got a lot more interesting. Plus after that I never even had to come close to worrying about caps ever again. And had a quick place to get some magnum bullets for my La Longue Carabine.

The DLC for NV is all pretty great, with Old World Blues being the best.

A lot of people didn't like Dead Money, I didn't mind the change of pace. I'd put it above Honest Hearts, personally.

Honest Hearts was definitely my least favorite.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
So just beat this last night, what's the word on the DLC? Worth it? I see they all got very mediocre reviews. I loved much of the FO3 DLC. Would I be disappointed by NV DLC?
Mediocre reviews? Where did you get that? New Vegas' DLC is assuredly the best expansion-style DLC ever and it's directed by the one and only Chris Avellone, so really, they're amazing.

I personally liked all four, they're differ a bunch from one another in location, themes, gameplay, etc., to varied degrees of success but they're all worthwhile.

And Dead Money is my favorite, it's pretty much a narrative masterpiece.
 

water_wendi

Water is not wet!
Stay clear of Dead Money. Very very clear. I went in thinking it couldn't be as bad as everyone said it was. I was so fucking wrong.

Best DLC is probably Old World Blues.
You are setting expectations mighty high for me because ive only just done Dead Money and i was beyond satisfied with it.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
I couldn't stand OWB. It was a slog to finish for me.

Weird as it sounds, Honest Hearts is my favourite DLC expansion.
Usually those two opinions go together, so it's not really that weird.

I personally loved OWB's half an hour of talking intro and penis jokes, but it's not for everyone.

One thing I love about the DLCs is the story thread that ties them together, so HH being the lightest in that regard (the only one not helmed by MCA) makes it my least favorite, but it's pretty good nonetheless. My other issue with HH is that it feels like a wasted opportunity. Both Daniel and Joshua are very interesting characters and I wish they could've stayed post-DLC as followers or something like that...
 

Lancehead

Member
Dead Money has an awesome instance of Speech skill application, best in the whole game. And it's got a System Shock 2 vibe. They just needed to rebalance the villa and its mechanics a bit.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
Dead Money has an awesome instance of Speech skill application, best in the whole game. And it's got a System Shock 2 vibe. They just needed to rebalance the villa and its mechanics a bit.
To be honest, I wouldn't know about balance since I was playing modded and on very high difficulty (the latter I now regret). It felt kinda hectic and tense, and I was always low on ammo/health/etc., so for me it was pretty good.

But my one and two are OWB and HH. :(
Well, that's quite alright, but the answer I was looking for, from anyone trying the DLC out, is "MY FAVORITE BE ALL OF THEM NEW VEGAS IS AWESOME".
 

BigTnaples

Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Hm those opinions are all over the place. But looks like most of the DLC is better than I thought. I'll be buying into some.


I started it up after playing 24 hours in 2010, hadn't played it since. Played 20 hours past couple weeks and beat the game, but my Fallout craving is not quite satisfied yet.



Also does world of pain require any DLC?
 

zkylon

zkylewd
Hm those opinions are all over the place. But looks like most of the DLC is better than I thought. I'll be buying into some.


I started it up after playing 24 hours in 2010, hadn't played it since. Played 20 hours past couple weeks and beat the game, but my Fallout craving is not quite satisfied yet.



Also does world of pain require any DLC?
I don't think so.

Also I recommend buying all the DLC (they'll be on sale on Steam one of these days no question about it) and playing them in release order.
 

BigTnaples

Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
I don't think so.

Also I recommend buying all the DLC (they'll be on sale on Steam one of these days no question about it) and playing them in release order.


Just bought all 7 Of the DLC on steam for 13 bucks.

Downloading now, how do I know which one is which in game? In order to play them in release order.k
 

zkylon

zkylewd
Just bought all 7 Of the DLC on steam for 13 bucks.

Downloading now, how do I know which one is which in game? In order to play them in release order.k
Dead Money -> Honest Hearts -> Old World Blues -> Lonesome Road (some great names, these DLC had)

I suggest you just enable them one at a time so you don't accidentally play them out of order, but if not, you should first go to the grand opening of the Sierra Madre casino, then join the Happy Trails caravan, then go to the Midnight Sci-Fi Show and finally answer Ulysses' call and walk the Divide.

I also recommend leaving the DLC to somewhat of a midpoint through the game.
 

willooi

Member
Dead Money -> Honest Hearts -> Old World Blues -> Lonesome Road (some great names, these DLC had)

I suggest you just enable them one at a time so you don't accidentally play them out of order, but if not, you should first go to the grand opening of the Sierra Madre casino, then join the Happy Trails caravan, then go to the Midnight Sci-Fi Show and finally answer Ulysses' call and walk the Divide.

I also recommend leaving the DLC to somewhat of a midpoint through the game.

Lonesome Road also works best right before the endgame scenario and well after you've met all the factions.

But yeah, definitely do play in release order to benefit the most from the game's
'other courier'
subplot.
 

hemtae

Member
I play Honest Hearts first since there aren't as many references to Ulysses and it is kinda different than the other three. Also it can be completed at lower levels.
 

willooi

Member
That's true, you can play that one anytime you wish if you don't mind taking the time to do the long journey up north first. Only a very brief mention of Ulysses in HH but indeed, that DLC works well as a standalone side story.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
I like HH second because the other three are pretty deep as far as lore is concerned, so HH gives you some breathing room in between.
 

Fjordson

Member
Within the spectrum of New Vegas content, Dead Money is at the low end for me. I didn't love it.

But on a more general DLC spectrum? It's pretty neat and has some nice story and lore.
 

willooi

Member
There's an argument to be had that Dead Money's design choices were very deliberate in making you dread that awful godforsaken place due to the setting and atmosphere they were going for, and I do agree with this for the most part thanks to the great characters and lore...

...but in saying that, I instantly remember getting terribly lost around the narrow alleys and dead-ends of the villa with the map markers being (even more*) useless to the point where there was so, so much relief once it ended...so yeah, again, the way this DLC made you feel reflected the mood of the place very well, but I can definitely see why a lot of people despised it...especially when they went into it not expecting a harsh serving of Survival Horror in their Fallout.

*There was also this awful part where you had to find a note with a password on it, or something, while sneaking around the casino, and the map marker for it was completely wrong. I scoured that entire area for that rotten thing for about an hour.
 

Fjordson

Member
Lore is fine but tedious enemies, claustrophobic environments, traps everywhere, losing your stuff...ugh
Oh, I don't completely disagree. It was a slog at times. My irrational love for Fallout lore and Obsidian's take on the universe was really the only thing that kept me going :lol
 

Amory

Member
You gotta be fuckin kidding me with OWB.

It started out ok, funny introduction, seemed like it'd have an interesting plot...I leave the sanctity of the think tank and instantly the game starts throwing packs of 4 or 5 tough enemies at me at a time. "OK," I think, "Must just be this one crazy area." Nah. Best I can tell the entire world is one big masochistic combat arena. Escape one fight, find yourself immediately in another.

The thing is, even if I was a higher level or had better weapons or whatever, for me Fallout is fun because of its storyline and characters, definitely not for its combat. Basically I've taken to just trying to run from place to place, but inevitably I get killed at some point.

So yeah, I'm pissed because my only save is way, way earlier in my playthrough, and you can't exit the DLC world without completing it. Guess I'm done with the game.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
You gotta be fuckin kidding me with OWB.

It started out ok, funny introduction, seemed like it'd have an interesting plot...I leave the sanctity of the think tank and instantly the game starts throwing packs of 4 or 5 tough enemies at me at a time. "OK," I think, "Must just be this one crazy area." Nah. Best I can tell the entire world is one big masochistic combat arena. Escape one fight, find yourself immediately in another.

The thing is, even if I was a higher level or had better weapons or whatever, for me Fallout is fun because of its storyline and characters, definitely not for its combat. Basically I've taken to just trying to run from place to place, but inevitably I get killed at some point.

So yeah, I'm pissed because my only save is way, way earlier in my playthrough, and you can't exit the DLC world without completing it. Guess I'm done with the game.
If you can get to the Antenna weapon you'll find it makes much of the DLC easier, as it stuns robot enemies.

It is, unfortunately, an overly combat-heavy DLC.
 
Yeah, I didn't really get all the love for OWB either. It had good writing, but the enemies were so boring and OP that it got pretty old, quick.
 
OWB is the best! The writing is the funniest the game has to offer, with great voice work. And yeah, it's full of great loot and quests. A bit too many fetch ones though on JSawyer Hard, but it's definitely doable.
 

Fjordson

Member
I loved OWB, but I do think that could have dropped the enemy count just slightly. Even on normal difficulty it felt like I was under constant fire when moving around outside. Either that or I had 4-5 of those fucking night stalkers flying at me. Those are annoying as hell.

But the vibe and atmosphere of the place (who doesn't love this music?) and the lore you uncover is so good.
 

Lancehead

Member
I'd prefer an engine that allowed some epic battles. The Hoover Dam Battle is such an anti-climactic, laughably-bad event, after gearing up the better part of the game for the epic clash between the NCR, Legion, and Mr House.
 

Dead Man

Member
I'd prefer an engine that allowed some epic battles. The Hoover Dam Battle is such an anti-climactic, laughably-bad event, after gearing up the better part of the game for the epic clash between the NCR, Legion, and Mr House.

Indeed, although FO doesn't really need massive scaled battles, if they are going to have them they should be well done instead of NV style.
 

u mad

Neo Member
I bought FO:NV the day it was released, and beat it shortly after.

Have recently had the desire to play the DLC. I own it on PS3. Would the cheapest option be just buying a GOTY edition of the game that includes all the DLC? I already have a copy of the game, but it seems like re-purchasing the GOTY edition would be cheaper than buying the DLC individually...?
 

zkylon

zkylewd
I'd prefer an engine that allowed some epic battles. The Hoover Dam Battle is such an anti-climactic, laughably-bad event, after gearing up the better part of the game for the epic clash between the NCR, Legion, and Mr House.
Yeah, though I can't imagine any version of Gamebryo being capable of such a feat

I bought FO:NV the day it was released, and beat it shortly after.

Have recently had the desire to play the DLC. I own it on PS3. Would the cheapest option be just buying a GOTY edition of the game that includes all the DLC? I already have a copy of the game, but it seems like re-purchasing the GOTY edition would be cheaper than buying the DLC individually...?
The ideal thing would be to buy it on PC, but if that's out of your possibility for whatever reason, then yeah, most likely you won't find it cheaper.
 

Labadal

Member
I bought FO:NV the day it was released, and beat it shortly after.

Have recently had the desire to play the DLC. I own it on PS3. Would the cheapest option being just buying a GOTY edition of the game that includes all the DLC? I already have a copy of the game, but it seems like re-purchasing the GOTY edition would be cheaper than buying the DLC individually...?

Buy GOTY version, sell regular version?
 

Lancehead

Member
There's this total conversion mod in the works called Fallout: Project Brazil. PC Gamer has a write up: http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/01/11/fallout-project-brazil-mod/

"Project Brazil is a quieter, more harsh and severe world than Fallout 3 or New Vegas," writes modder Thaiauxn. "It feels like a real place spotted with rare moments of absurdity and fear, split between multiple rising civilizations all trying to fight for what they want or need in a world recovering from the Great War."

"This mod adds an all new story around a new player character, an adopted resident of Vault 18, embarking on a quest to a hidden complex called 'Brazil' in the ruins of Los Angeles. Along the way, you'll discover a pitched battle between the Survivalist Army, the New California Republic, and The Super Mutants, which shapes the politics and events leading to the NCR's invasion of the Mojave. The story takes place in 2260—many years before the 'Courier' awakes in New Vegas, while the Enclave struggles to rise again on the West Coast."

And here's the intro cinematic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p09VDIPzoQ8

Quite terrible that one. The start reminds me of Fallout 3 intro, never a good thing. Then the poor voice acting and the hilarious speech (which reminds me of Shepard's in ME2), but that's to be expected for a mod.

As for the mod itself, not much there to know to comment on.
 
Alright, I'm starting a new character here. I'm allocating my SPECIAL points and I'm considering

Code:
S...3
P...4
E...4
C...8
I...8
A...6
L...7

I'm looking to be competent with guns and to be able to talk my way out of many situations. Is there anything wrong with this build? Is there like some specific dialog stat check that I'll fail if I don't allocate one more point to specific trait or will my 4 endurance and 3 strength cause frustration?

I'm not sure how often this OT gets checked. I might just have to go with it.
 

Lancehead

Member
SPECIAL stats aren't very important, it's mostly about skills. You'll get implants, and Lonesome Road also gives one SPECIAL point. Keep INT at 8, though, so you'll get plenty of skill points. CHA at 8 is an overkill; the most useless stat unless you lower it somewhere down to 3 or 2. You can easily cut a couple of points there, and put them where you like, really. As I said, it's more about skills.
 

Stallion Free

Cock Encumbered
Yeah with leveling going up to 50 it's fairly easy to end up with almost every skill up to 100 or at least the ones you use a lot.

I did enjoy feeling like a god at the end of it all though. Going through the main game + 4 DLCs finally was easily one of my favorite experiences last year.
 
I put 20+ hours into it near launch and was enjoying it quite a bit but I was having some really annoying performance issues so I put it on hold and never ended up coming back to it until now. I'm really looking forward to getting back into it especially now that I have all the DLC.
 
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