pasterpl
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when you compare it to jet engine it seems not huge, but then you look at 15 vs 25 db and look at the actual % difference we are talking about 66% quieter console vs already quiet ps5
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[Hardware Busters] Xbox Series X Thermals, Power & Noise - Full Tear Down & Comparison with PS5
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when you compare it to jet engine it seems not huge, but then you look at 15 vs 25 db and look at the actual % difference we are talking about 66% quieter console vs already quiet ps5
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MasterCornholio
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I guess I got lucky with my PS5. It's super quiet.
TheGodfather07
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my PS5 is already quiet so it's pretty impressive thar XSX is even quieter than that. I will compare myself when I get one.
Loxus
Member
I guess you game with your consoles up against your ear, cause that's the only way you hear a whisper.
DaGwaphics
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I wasn't implying what could or could not be achieved in TFs. Just stating the obvious that using a more aggressive fan curve could eliminate the heat that the testing results are showing. Therefore there would have been room to push clocks higher if they didn't care about noise.
This is easily demonstrated with any modern PC GPU. If you use the standard curve (which is generally off until about 60 degrees or so) and run benchmarks you will get a lot of heat, because you allowed the heat to pile up in the first place. You can then set the fan at a locked 100% and run the same benchmarks and what you will see is peak temperatures that are 20 even 30 degrees cooler, because you never let the heat build up to start with.
MS has struck a good balance with a cooling solution that is whisper quiet and does what is needed to keep the APUs in safe temperature ranges. Without question they could have pushed the APUs more aggressively if they didn't care if the units sounded like leaf blowers. I'm glad they went the way they did, the silence is appreciated. Both my X1 and especially my PS4 slim could go full jet on certain titles.
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Fredrik
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I don’t think they hit twice XB1X performance, iirc from earlier talks there is something they stumble on which is why some BC games get boosted low res XB1 versions instead of boosted high res XB1X versions.
Riky
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They have in GPU and CPU but not in Ram and memory bandwidth, which is where SFS comes in.
skit_data
Member
Its still a really, really faint sound. If anything, comparing a 25 vs 15 dB sound to something like a jet engine at 130-140 dB gives a really bad representation of how low 15/25 dB is and the difference between them because of the logarithmic scaling of dB.
In short, a 10dB increase is not that much when we are talking such low levels of sound pressure.
Hobbygaming
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I don't know about others but my PS5 is silent I can't ever hear it
Tripolygon
Banned
Interesting comparison between both console thermal designs.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Twice as loud but still quiet.
strange headache
Banned
I guess you game with your consoles up against your ear, cause that's the only way you hear a whisper.
As somebody who heavily prefers quiet PC builds, let me tell you that 10db difference is quite a lot on a logarithmic scale.
30db is the sound of somebody whispering directly into your ear and that is very much noticeable.
A Dark Rock pro/Noctua CPU cooler is sitting at around 25db when running full speed, which is already way too loud for people who want to run silent systems.
I gave away my PS4pro after a month, because I just couldn't stand the f*cking noise (between 50 and 60 db).
Silent systems are a sign of good engineering and very much appreciated by those who don't want noisy electronics in their homes.
Unfortunately, noise hasn't been a priority for SONY so far, hence my reluctance to even get a PS5 (even if I really like their games).
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Loxus
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We need to use common sense here.
A whisper is 30 dB and you can't hear what someone is whispering into someone's ear a foot away.
How tf you going to hear the difference between PS5 and XBSX.
You would hear other sounds before you hear these consoles.
Most of you all are lying for no reason.
Tripolygon
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People always forget power does not scale linearly with clock. PS5 draws more power than XSX because it is clocked higher. At higher clocks, variable frequency scaling becomes that much more necessary because it would be wasteful to ping the clock speed at a constant high frequency.
skit_data
Member
Really really quiet. I’m impressed by both consoles. Xbox already had some quiet consoles but it seems this gen will be the first one where all consoles will be basically inaudible to most people.
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Tripolygon
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Except for the freaking PS5 fan lottery coil whine. I can hear mine. It is not bad by all means but it is still audible.
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Agent_Nobody
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For the db thing :I play everything with headphones usually but hearing both consoles at stress points, the PS5 does this very slight whoosh sound with the fans, the SX is basically inaudible (at least vertical).
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skit_data
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Yeah, that one really sucks. I’d like to see if they have corrected it or if its isolated to the first batch of consoles.
Mine is quiet(it was audible at launch though, guess they changed the fan curve or something) but its pretty bad that so many consoles have coil whine because it kinda defeats the purpose of their whole cooling solution.
JackMcGunns
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Zathalus
Member
Are you so wrapped up in defending your console of choice that you call a number of forum members liars because they state the PS5 is slightly louder than the XSX? While stating that is is still very quiet mind you?
Jesus dude, step back and get some perspective. What's next, you going to go off on a rant if somebody points out that the PS5 is larger too?
JerryinSoCal
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I don't hear either console, not sure why others do. If I mute the tv and have no other noise at all and tried to hear something I probably could but in real world use I hear nothing from either.
Nah, of course they could have clocked it higher. But they needed the headroom for that 2nd GPU in PS that will be enabled in future updates.
Mr Moose
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This brings back memories
Loxus
Member
In the video the guy said he used advance equipment to get the readings.
We had fan noise test for ages now and you guys never said anything until we get these test from his advance equipment.
So either you all are lying or have advance hearing aids.
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Zathalus
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Who the hell is 'you guys'? I've never made a single claim in this thread about how loud each respective console is. Stop having this tribal mentality that everyone is in the Xbox camp or in the Playstation camp. Some of us are perfectly able to enjoy both consoles while admitting that neither is perfect.
As for the loudness of each console, some people sit closer to thier consoles, while others have sharper hearing. Stating that 25db is inaudible is of course absurd, many people can hear a whisper from a few meters away. My younger friend can hear things I simply can't, as hearing obviously degrades with age.
Personally I can't hear either console, but I sit 2 meters away from them and my hearing is a bit below average. If I put my ear close to each console under heavy gaming load then my PS5 is a bit louder, but as I said, inaudible for me from my regular playing position.
Nobody is claiming either console is loud for regular use, unless you are one of the unlucky few that has excessive coil whine.
DeadOblivion78
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If the PS5 fan was louder, then you wouldn't hear the coil whine in first place.
DenchDeckard
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Series x is a genuine incredibly designed console. It's crazy how quiet it is and all that powaaaa.
intbal
Member
Shhhh...
Don't let him know that it's also heavier. There's no telling what might happen.
Bo_Hazem
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10 dB isn't noisy but audible. But if you measure the bitching about it is around 90 dB give or take.
Loxus
Member
Clearly you haven't been reading through this thread or just being ignorant.
If you did watch the video you would notice something.
PS5 APU is cooler but fan noise is louder,
While XBSX APU is hotter but fan noise is lower.
There is no engineering feat about the XBSX fan noise. If it was to match PS5's APU temperature, the fan noise would be the same or louder than PS5's fan noise.
As for decibels, the guy had to use advance equipment in a sound proof room to get readings that you would have never noticed without the very same equipment. Now all of a sudden, everybody have super hearing. Unless they game with the consoles strapped to their heads.
Sosokrates
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With PS5 there ks a cooling fan lottery, some fans are quieter then others.
I think I got a louder one because my ps5 is about as loud as my matte PS4, Im just glad the noise is a normal console consistent hum and not a jet engine when you playing an intensive game like my pro, easily the loudest console ive owned.
I think I got a louder one because my ps5 is about as loud as my matte PS4, Im just glad the noise is a normal console consistent hum and not a jet engine when you playing an intensive game like my pro, easily the loudest console ive owned.
Zok310
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They both silent. What are you hearing on the PS5?
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Zathalus
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I made no claim about how the Xbox achieves less noise. I have no idea why you even bought that up.
He used advanced equipment in a sound proof room to get an accurate reading. Not because 25db is inaudible in a regular environment. Unless you are claiming that it is not possible to hear a whisper without advanced equipment in a sound proof room? But that would be silly.
No, he called out people saying they can hear a whisper from a few feet away. Are you so wrapped up in defending your console of choice that you couldn't pick that up?
Sosokrates
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No, ps5 uses different fans, some are louder then others.
Zathalus
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What exactly am I defending? I can't hear either console.
skit_data
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Same price at retail, similar performance.
Only one is profitable, for all we know.
I’d say the PS5 is the better engineered console
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Sosokrates
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Its not concern, its just that the silence of the Series X is preferable.
Riky
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Smaller, quieter, draws less power, lighter and more powerful. Quite an engineering feat really.
twilo99
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Indeed, the whole thing really well put together.. like I said, I think the budget for this project was more than enough to give the engineers some room to play.
DaGwaphics
Member
Well, not to sound fanboyish, but the PS5 is about the size of the average ice cream truck. LOL
The XSX is a marvel for the overall package of performance, size and quietness. It all fits together.
Loxus
Member
I think you confusing speaking softly and whispering.
Your trolling at this point.
whis·per
- speak very softly using one's breath without one's vocal cords, especially for the sake of privacy.
cmon let's be serious about it. One is LOTS bigger draw more power and is less performant ..also 150% louder all of this at the same price the PS5 come out the engineering comparation as a joke console. Sure if you wanna spin it about profitability (and as customer we shouldn't really give a fuck about how much those companies make it) we don't have proof that xsx isn't tooSame price at retail, similar performance.
Only one is profitable, for all we know.
I’d say the PS5 is the better engineered console
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JackMcGunns
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twilo99
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Its all a balancing act.
If they had a bigger box to work with, something with the size of the PS5 for example, they could've extracted much more out of the system.
I think they maxed out the space available in that case. Maybe they left a bit of performance on the table, but not much, and also this machine is designed for longevity, so no reason to push the hardware too much.
