Leonidas
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AMD CPUs are selling more than Intel CPUs today. You're deliberately conflating market share with sales to try and say that AMD is not outselling Intel.
The ignorance of certain people on this forum never ceases to amaze me.
AMD CPUs are selling more than Intel CPUs today. You're deliberately conflating market share with sales to try and say that AMD is not outselling Intel.
Prove me wrong.The ignorance of certain people on this forum never ceases to amaze me.
No doubts about that, but note that mindfactory data is inherently closer to real world than what HU is pushing.I am not saying your data is not reliable. I am saying that comparing weekly data to yearly data is sort of an apples to oranges comparison. Weekly data is better to show what people are buying right now. As I mentioned, today the market is already different than December. Yearly data is more reliable for general long term trends and sentiment.
Leonidas
Intel wipes the floor with AMD at OEMs , AMD wipes the floor with Intel at DIY.
What is there to argue about?
Let me spell it out, since you're either being deliberately obtuse, or you simply are not getting it. In either case, it is good to clarify what is being meant, so that other people don't get deceived by biased propaganda.I haven't argued otherwise. I'm just in awe at the fact that some people ITT think AMD gaining 2.4% market share over a year to 18.3% = AMD outselling Intel
Let me spell it out, since you're either being deliberately obtuse, or you simply are not getting it. In either case, it is good to clarify what is being meant, so that other people don't get deceived by biased propaganda.
Intel outselling AMD at any point in time = Increased market share for Intel, decreased market share for AMD
Intel and AMD selling equal at any point in time = market share remains equal for both AMD and Intel
AMD outselling Intel at any point in time = decreased market share for Intel, increased market share for AMD.
The last one is exactly what is happening right now. No one is saying that over the existence of the companies AMD has sold more than Intel, which is what you are attempting to argue in order to dismiss any sort of gains that AMD is making.
Typical response of someone with no argument, no rebuttal, and no maturity.
Typical response of someone with no argument, no rebuttal, and no maturity.
Ad nauseam assertions are adequate responses? Could've fooled me.It's an adequate response at one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen.
Why don't you, rather than being condescending, actually try to explain what you mean better?
So in other words, you lack the energy to peddle propaganda. No wonder why you've been invisible.Not my job to teach you basic things. The old me might have tried, now I just laugh...
Leonidas, must you show your insecurity about Intel in every thread?
(if you think it looks bad now, wait until AMD's 7nm mobile CPUs drop, and then 7nm+ Ryzen 4000 on desktop)
Calling something ignorant does not necessarily make it ignorant. It does say a lot about your character though.It's an adequate response at one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen.
Only that you have not.I've done nothing in this thread but post facts and laugh at ignorant posts.
Fixed.Wait for Intel desktop 10 nm in 2019
Wait for Intel desktop 10 nm in 2020
Wait for Intel desktop 10 nm in 2021
Wait for Intel desktop 7 nm in 20xx
Calling something ignorant does not necessarily make it ignorant. It does say a lot about your character though.
I guess we can once again confirm you really love to cherry-pick information that suits your preconceived agenda. Paraphrasing, I said that you are possibly being deliberately obtuse. That is VERY different from simply calling you obtuse. Now I am quite sure that you are being deliberately obtuse. You know damn well what the truth is, but it's inconvenient to face it, so, you act that way.You called me obtuse
At least I understand the market share numbers I posted and how market share numbers work. Huge irony for you to call me obtuse then show your lack of knowledge of the numbers.
But this exchange with you has no purpose. It is derailing the thread, which I wouldn't be surprised if it was your intention in the first place. So I will no longer be replying to you in this thread. Goodbye.
Let me spell it out, since you're either being deliberately obtuse, or you simply are not getting it. In either case, it is good to clarify what is being meant, so that other people don't get deceived by biased propaganda.
Intel outselling AMD at any point in time = Increased market share for Intel, decreased market share for AMD
Intel and AMD selling equal at any point in time = market share remains equal for both AMD and Intel
AMD outselling Intel at any point in time = decreased market share for Intel, increased market share for AMD.
The last one is exactly what is happening right now. No one is saying that over the existence of the companies AMD has sold more than Intel, which is what you are attempting to argue in order to dismiss any sort of gains that AMD is making.
To Leonidas point, let say Intel sells 100 units a day and AMD sells 10. If Intel still sells 100 units a day and AMD now sells 20 units a day. It's market share will increase but it isn't outselling Intel.
Nah, not useless. I think the source of confusion might be people conflating this with how we see consoles. There we'd care about monthly ratios but also the total number of consoles that have been sold.True.
Now let's do math.
Intel = 100 Units a Day | AMD = 10 Units a Day | Total Units Sold in a Day = 110.
Intel Units Sold/Total Units Sold = 100/110 = .909 (*100) 90.9%
AMD Units Sold/Total Units Sold = 10/110 = .09(*100) .09%
Intel Market Share = 90.9%
AMD Market Share = .09%
With the increased unit sales now.
Intel = 100 Units a Day | AMD = 20 Units a Day | Total Units Sold in a Day = 120
Intel Units Sold/Total Units Sold = 100/120 = .833(*100) 83.3%
AMD Units Sold/Total Units Sold = 20/120 = .166(*100) 16.6%
Intel Market Share = 83.3%
AMD Market Share = 16.6%
Old Intel Unit Sales = 100 | Old Intel Market Share 90.9%
New Intel Unit Sales = 100 | New Intel Market Share 83.3%
Old AMD Unit Sales = 10 | Old AMD Market Share .09%
New AMD Unit Sales = 20 | New AMD Market Share 16.6%
As you can see, Market Share Growth != Outselling.
This post was completely useless.
After doing the math myself, well, it seems you are right. AMD doesn't need to outsell Intel to increase market share. All they need to do is improve the ratio of selling within the market, and as long as that ratio is higher than the current market share, AMD's market share will increase. I started doing my own calculation, because yours was not convincing to me. And I didn't think it was representative at all, because you ignored historical data which didn't make it clear enough. Let me show you how I came to this conclusion. It might make it clear for others as wellTrue.
Now let's do math.
Intel = 100 Units a Day | AMD = 10 Units a Day | Total Units Sold in a Day = 110.
Intel Units Sold/Total Units Sold = 100/110 = .909 (*100) 90.9%
AMD Units Sold/Total Units Sold = 10/110 = .09(*100) .09%
Intel Market Share = 90.9%
AMD Market Share = .09%
With the increased unit sales now.
Intel = 100 Units a Day | AMD = 20 Units a Day | Total Units Sold in a Day = 120
Intel Units Sold/Total Units Sold = 100/120 = .833(*100) 83.3%
AMD Units Sold/Total Units Sold = 20/120 = .166(*100) 16.6%
Intel Market Share = 83.3%
AMD Market Share = 16.6%
Old Intel Unit Sales = 100 | Old Intel Market Share 90.9%
New Intel Unit Sales = 100 | New Intel Market Share 83.3%
Old AMD Unit Sales = 10 | Old AMD Market Share .09%
New AMD Unit Sales = 20 | New AMD Market Share 16.6%
As you can see, Market Share Growth != Outselling.
This post was completely useless.
No messing around, I have a Ryzen, now I want the 64 cores threadripper to end all arguments.I'm thinking about a desktop just to get that Ryzen powa
And thanks for the explanation. I guess I learned something from you, because Leonidas was too much of an ass to explain himself.
Now that we have this perspective, and that AMD has risen from 18% in 2016 to 32% in 2019, it's still not unreasonable to assume that AMD is outselling Intel. That is quite a quick rise. It might be possible to calculate, but honestly, I have better things to do with my time.
They went from under 22% in 2015 to 43%+ in 2019, and still growing.Their profits as a company are so shit comparatively though. They need to increase margins.
They went from under 22% in 2015 to 43%+ in 2019, and still growing.
Green and blue are at 60%.
That is indeed the most likely scenario.Ascend
Most likely AMD is outselling Intel in the DIY market by large margins, but I think Intel still has the OEM market on a huge lockdown. I would guess of all the business PC's and whatnot sold at least in the US is all Intel mostly and that is probably in the millions of units.
As Linus described in one of his videos, for the longest time, AMD laptops were always the red-headed stepchild in the lonely corner at demo stations. However, the recently announced Renoir-based laptops appear to finally buck that trend. Heck, apparently the CPU portion of a few of the Renoir APUs can outperform the 9700K in some benchmarks, which is a desktop CPU.Ascend
Most likely AMD is outselling Intel in the DIY market by large margins, but I think Intel still has the OEM market on a huge lockdown. I would guess of all the business PC's and whatnot sold at least in the US is all Intel mostly and that is probably in the millions of units.