-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 1. Haswell, Crysis 3, and secret fairy sauce. Read da OP
- Thread starter Hazaro
- Start date
- Status
Yay 7970GE arrived!
First impressions:
1) ooo purty...it has the light-up text on the side, sort of like some Nvidia cards, but it says "SAPPHIRE" and lights up white
2) The fan profile seems rather aggressive -- running Furmark, it seems to want to keep the card around 70C, and thus tunes the fan RPMs accordingly.
For comparison, the previous card I ran Furmark on was a friend's GTX550Ti, due to the 320.18 WHQL "card-killing issue", and that card seemed to have a fan profile tuned for 80C max.
3) At idle, it's just as quiet as my previous card (tri-slot ASUS DCUII GTX570)
Will commence testing in actual games...
First impressions:
1) ooo purty...it has the light-up text on the side, sort of like some Nvidia cards, but it says "SAPPHIRE" and lights up white
2) The fan profile seems rather aggressive -- running Furmark, it seems to want to keep the card around 70C, and thus tunes the fan RPMs accordingly.
For comparison, the previous card I ran Furmark on was a friend's GTX550Ti, due to the 320.18 WHQL "card-killing issue", and that card seemed to have a fan profile tuned for 80C max.
3) At idle, it's just as quiet as my previous card (tri-slot ASUS DCUII GTX570)
Will commence testing in actual games...
Hey guys I just wanted to say that, with the help of the OP and many others in this thread, I just got my first PC build ever up and running. Turns out the MSI GD65 mobo I ordered was DOA, so I switched it out for a Gigabyte and now the machine works perfectly. Absolutely loving it.
Thanks to all; made my first build and picking parts much easier. I wish every gamer would go through the process and that all games would be released for the master platform.
Thanks to all; made my first build and picking parts much easier. I wish every gamer would go through the process and that all games would be released for the master platform.
What monitor are you going to buy?
I quite like it. Had it set up a little to high for what I'm used to originally. Lowered it and still re-adjusted the tilt, seems about perfect. Can't wait to add another monitor, but I'm going to upgrade video card first and I'm waiting for the Nvidia 800s to come out.
Crossposting from B/S/T thread:
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=64635921&postcount=11446
Selling:
Geforce GTX TITAN Superclocked
$850
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=64635921&postcount=11446
Selling:
Geforce GTX TITAN Superclocked
$850
This seems like a real good deal. 7950 for cheap.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131478
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131478
I haven't seen a single report of issues with it on Kepler cards.
VisceralBowl
Member
Current Specs: i7 930 QC (2.8 GHz) / Intel X58 / GTX 570 1.2 GB / 1 TB 7200 RPM HDD / 6 GB DDR3 (1333 MHz) (2x3 GB) / 875W Dell PSU / Generic Disc Drive and Media Reader / Windows 7 64 bit Home Premium / Crappy Alienware Aroura Case
Budget: USA / would like <$1000
Main Use: Gaming / Word Processing / Video Editing / 3D Modeling / Game Dev / Internet browsing
Monitor Resolution: I am using a Dell 1080p/60Hz monitor that I love. I run a 1280x1024/60Hz monitor next to it to multitask, but disable it when gaming.
I use 3Ds Max / Cryengine FreeSDK / UDK / Steam / Chrome / Sony Vegas on a regular basis.
I do video editing, a lot of typing and HEAVY multitasking (20+ tabs in Chrome, Word, Steam Chats, etc)
In games, I love a locked 60 FPS, but if it fluctuates I prefer to lock my games at 30 FPS.
When will you build?: Upgrading within the next 3 days
Will you be overclocking?: Nope
Looking to reuse any parts?: Refer to below.
The below part:
Some background:
I bought an Alienware Aurora 4 years ago and have upgraded the GPU once. in the time since I have encountered a few issues:
1) I am running out of space on my hard drive VERY quickly. I need to upgrade the HDD to AT LEAST a 2 TB drive/setup. I have tried organizing it. The work I do just simply isn't space-friendly.
2) I have noticed the PSU is starting to go bad and have encountered quite a few issues with it
3) My current case (the Alienware one) is VERY bad when it comes to airflow and I am in need of a new case.
I have decided to upgrade it because of this. I need some help figuring out what I need to reuse and what I need to get. I have no Windows 7 discs that aren't used left and I am contemplating getting Windows 8 for the upgrade, as Windows 7 is currently more expensive. Thanks in advance if I am unable to get back to you.
Budget: USA / would like <$1000
Main Use: Gaming / Word Processing / Video Editing / 3D Modeling / Game Dev / Internet browsing
Monitor Resolution: I am using a Dell 1080p/60Hz monitor that I love. I run a 1280x1024/60Hz monitor next to it to multitask, but disable it when gaming.
I use 3Ds Max / Cryengine FreeSDK / UDK / Steam / Chrome / Sony Vegas on a regular basis.
I do video editing, a lot of typing and HEAVY multitasking (20+ tabs in Chrome, Word, Steam Chats, etc)
In games, I love a locked 60 FPS, but if it fluctuates I prefer to lock my games at 30 FPS.
When will you build?: Upgrading within the next 3 days
Will you be overclocking?: Nope
Looking to reuse any parts?: Refer to below.
The below part:
Some background:
I bought an Alienware Aurora 4 years ago and have upgraded the GPU once. in the time since I have encountered a few issues:
1) I am running out of space on my hard drive VERY quickly. I need to upgrade the HDD to AT LEAST a 2 TB drive/setup. I have tried organizing it. The work I do just simply isn't space-friendly.
2) I have noticed the PSU is starting to go bad and have encountered quite a few issues with it
3) My current case (the Alienware one) is VERY bad when it comes to airflow and I am in need of a new case.
I have decided to upgrade it because of this. I need some help figuring out what I need to reuse and what I need to get. I have no Windows 7 discs that aren't used left and I am contemplating getting Windows 8 for the upgrade, as Windows 7 is currently more expensive. Thanks in advance if I am unable to get back to you.
gah, I was running some stress tests on my new rig I built over the last two days and something happened and I'm at a complete loss and too tired to fuck around with it anymore, so Im hoping someone can give me clue to whats wrong. here's what happened:
I was running a cpu and gpu stress test and it froze. I manually reset the computer and when it got back into windows the mouse and keyboard weren't registering. I removed them them from their USB ports and then everything shut down. Now when I hit either the case power button or the Mobo power button it just slightly starts to power up and then does nothing. here is a video of whats happening. I tried another PSU tonight and it's doing the same thing. I'm thinking it's the Mobo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr_1D3lCU74&feature=youtu.be
here's a run down of the parts i'm using:
win7 home premium
HX750 PSU
Samsung 840 SSD
H100i CPU cooler
Corsair 650D
i7-3770K
sapphire 7970
ASrock z77 extreme 4 mobo
Corsair Vengeance 8GB
LG rw bluray drive
Any ideas? thanks
I was running a cpu and gpu stress test and it froze. I manually reset the computer and when it got back into windows the mouse and keyboard weren't registering. I removed them them from their USB ports and then everything shut down. Now when I hit either the case power button or the Mobo power button it just slightly starts to power up and then does nothing. here is a video of whats happening. I tried another PSU tonight and it's doing the same thing. I'm thinking it's the Mobo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr_1D3lCU74&feature=youtu.be
here's a run down of the parts i'm using:
win7 home premium
HX750 PSU
Samsung 840 SSD
H100i CPU cooler
Corsair 650D
i7-3770K
sapphire 7970
ASrock z77 extreme 4 mobo
Corsair Vengeance 8GB
LG rw bluray drive
Any ideas? thanks
Fuck. Imma see if I can sell this 7970 Lightning.
After installing my SSD, I've been having this weird issue that whenever I try to update my copy of Windows, I lose signal in both of my screens. I need to restore to a previous point to be able to see anything. Also, I experienced a BSOD. How can I see if my SSD is faulty? What are the symptomps? Any tool? Thanks. Edit: Mionitors stopped responding because there are some Intel driver updates in the mix, and somehow fucks up the whole thing. Still, BSOD after installing SSD. 
I'd be checking the event viewer to see what errors are showing up and Google them for further info.After installing my SSD, I've been having this weird issue that whenever I try to update my copy of Windows, I lose signal in both of my screens. I need to restore to a previous point to be able to see anything. Also, I experienced a BSOD. How can I see if my SSD is faulty? What are the symptomps? Any tool? Thanks. Edit: Mionitors stopped responding because there are some Intel driver updates in the mix, and somehow fucks up the whole thing. Still, BSOD after installing SSD.
I'm liking CCC, I have to say. Seems much more enthusiast-friendly than Nvidia Control Panel.
With NV, I don't understand why I have to download third party apps just to see the most basic info, like temps and fan speed. Why hide that stuff from me. It used to be that there was an advanced section of the NV util that let you see that...I don't know why it seemingly disappeared...maybe I'm blind.
Team Red is working out pretty well so far. I was kind of skeptical that the Vapor-X cooler would do as good a job as the DirectCUII, but it doesn't seem any louder so far.
With NV, I don't understand why I have to download third party apps just to see the most basic info, like temps and fan speed. Why hide that stuff from me. It used to be that there was an advanced section of the NV util that let you see that...I don't know why it seemingly disappeared...maybe I'm blind.
Team Red is working out pretty well so far. I was kind of skeptical that the Vapor-X cooler would do as good a job as the DirectCUII, but it doesn't seem any louder so far.
That's weird, I used AMD cards for 5 years with CCC, but not only did it not give you control over everything (you could use the third-party ATI pro utility or whatever for more settings), but I felt like I would always read about nVidia driver adjustments that provided more features like better SGSSAA, or those special hex codes to get AA working with certain games, or whatever. Maybe things changed in the last year or two.
I have a silly question about my 770. My motherboard is vertical of course, and the 770 is like a foot long and huge with two fans, and if you press on the bottom of it you can tell it can move vertically on the loose corner. Is it bad for a motherboard for a PCIe slot to be stressed so much by half of a huge card hanging vertically? I feel like there should be some sort of support on the loose corner of the card. =P
1. I want to use this money towards the purchase of a new plasma to replace the horrible shit LED I currently have in my living room.
2. I've always been somewhat bothered that I have a regular Titan and a Superclocked Titan. Selling the SC and later down the road if I want I'll pick up another vanilla.
3. I'll still have the fastest consumer GPU on the market. That's not too bad of an outcome
Sucks to hear about the DOA. Glad everything is running well!
Oof. You can and scavenge RAM/HDD but I think it would be best to sell it as a whole.
There's an argument to be made for all the platforms, but going with the Excellent Build (3770 instead of K) nets you the most performance with cash left over to spend on HDDs. I'd still recommend you overclock as it's a 25% free speed boost which is nothing to sneeze at. If not, you can step down the motherboard (Unless you need some features on a Z77).
If budget isn't that limiting to you you can overclock a 3820 on LGA2011, but I dunno how much the extra memory bandwidth will help or not for your uses!
I'd lean towards mobo. What load temps and voltages were you looking at?
Make sure the 8 pin mobo power is in and the RAM is fully secure in the slots.
Then take out the mobo from the case with barebones parts only and test it.
Go into safe mode and uninstall those drivers if possible.After installing my SSD, I've been having this weird issue that whenever I try to update my copy of Windows, I lose signal in both of my screens. I need to restore to a previous point to be able to see anything. Also, I experienced a BSOD. How can I see if my SSD is faulty? What are the symptomps? Any tool? Thanks. Edit: Mionitors stopped responding because there are some Intel driver updates in the mix, and somehow fucks up the whole thing. Still, BSOD after installing SSD.
314.22
1. I want to use this money towards the purchase of a new plasma to replace the horrible shit LED I currently have in my living room.
2. I've always been somewhat bothered that I have a regular Titan and a Superclocked Titan. Selling the SC and later down the road if I want I'll pick up another vanilla.
3. I'll still have the fastest consumer GPU on the market. That's not too bad of an outcome
Ahh fair enough. Win-Win for you.
My Titan SC > Your Titan Regular. Only real winner is me though.
Sir Abacus
Member
Make sure UEFI boot is enabled in your BIOS and boot from the UEFI version of your CD drive in the boot menu. Otherwise you're just booting with the old BIOS support.
And god damn it's hard to split an SSD for use with SRT. Must have reinstalled Win7 about 5 times.
It can, but it will down-clock to the lower clocked card.
Eraser_Arcade
Member
I don't know if this has already been posted or not, But just a heads up for anyone planning on buying an AMD GPU off of Amazon. They no longer offer the Never Settle AMD bundle. I recently had to find this out the hard way.
Thankfully, they did offered me a 20% discount off of my original payment, but thats because their Customer Service had originally email me stating that I would receive the bundle within 7-10 business days.
Thankfully, they did offered me a 20% discount off of my original payment, but thats because their Customer Service had originally email me stating that I would receive the bundle within 7-10 business days.
Yeah I was surprised. It has something akin to a stripped down version of Afterburner that lets you adjust voltage and mem+core clocks, in addition to showing your status info like temps and fan speed. I mean, in all honesty, the bar was set very low since my previous foray into the Red camp was with a card that couldn't even output via DVI to my particular monitor model (ATI kept giving me the run-around on why only VGA worked and how my HP monitor was not standards-compliant). But I'm still pleasantly surprised that it would have more built-in bells and whistles.
I wouldn't stress too much about the 770. I had a massively heavy three-slot ASUS video card on my motherboard for two years prior to this, without issue.
PoweredBySoy
Banned
Do not install the 320.18's.
I'm still in the process of testing, but over the past couple weeks I've for certain narrowed it down to my Nvidia video card, and after installing the 320.18's no amount of uninstalling/reinstalling drivers would fix it, nor did running the free-version of Driver Fusion.
I ran for over 2 days without a single problem when I put my old 5870 back in.
So last night I initiated Plan E and reinstalled Windows. A pain in the ass, but we'll see if this fixes it. I played for a couple hours last night and everything seemed fine, but it's still too early to tell.
I don't know if it's just BF3 or what, but those drivers are f'd.
Are you sure? I haven't kept up with CF, but with 6970 & 6950, they both run at full speed. It's just the 6970 has a slighly higher load balance while the 6950 slightly lower to compensate for the different speeds and processing power. I don't see why ATI would change it for newer card, like a 7970 & 7970GHz.
I'm planning to pickup a GTX780 soon and since all manufacturer need to adhere to the reference design, I assume it is safe to pickup any brand right?
Leaning towards to grab ASUS or Gigabyte brand. I'm still open to suggestion for other brand since I will be ordering through the local Newegg service (which order stock from US) since for odd reason, my local retailers markup the GTX 700 series by 20% higher than US MSRP (currently in Malaysia).
Leaning towards to grab ASUS or Gigabyte brand. I'm still open to suggestion for other brand since I will be ordering through the local Newegg service (which order stock from US) since for odd reason, my local retailers markup the GTX 700 series by 20% higher than US MSRP (currently in Malaysia).
slightly confused by an overclocking article for the 7950 http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_hd_7950_overclock_guide,2.html
it seems to test stock (800/1250) with a basic overclock (1020/1575) and a voltage bumped overclock (1150/1575)
Now it seems to my simple eyes that the basic overclock is 25% higher than stock, while the voltage tweaked is only 12% higher than the basic overclock. So that made me think I'd just stick with a basic overclock, should be good enough.
but their benchmarks show a different story - eg battlefield 3 1920x1200 ultra
stock - 40fps
basic overclock - 44fps
1150 overclock - 55fps
that seems counterintuitive to me - shouldn't it be more like 40/50/60? Why such relatively low returns from the first overclock?
is there a benefit from the extra bump, or would you recommend just leaving a 7950 at about 1000/1575?
it seems to test stock (800/1250) with a basic overclock (1020/1575) and a voltage bumped overclock (1150/1575)
Now it seems to my simple eyes that the basic overclock is 25% higher than stock, while the voltage tweaked is only 12% higher than the basic overclock. So that made me think I'd just stick with a basic overclock, should be good enough.
but their benchmarks show a different story - eg battlefield 3 1920x1200 ultra
stock - 40fps
basic overclock - 44fps
1150 overclock - 55fps
that seems counterintuitive to me - shouldn't it be more like 40/50/60? Why such relatively low returns from the first overclock?
is there a benefit from the extra bump, or would you recommend just leaving a 7950 at about 1000/1575?
I nave my cable management done decently. The back door f the case barely closes but the airflow areas are nice and spacious. The only problem I have now is figuring where the front panel usb 3.0 connector goes. There is no spot for it near the usb 2.0 slots. I can't find a fit anywhere.
Should look like the blue one on the left. Some motherboards have them at a right angle.
edit: eg the blue one next to the sata ports.
In the course of researching my new build several people have told me to choose eVGA or Gigabye over ASUS. I don't have any concrete evidence that ASUS cards have some sort of systematic problem.
Couchaddict
Member
Is there a dedicated monitor thread? Search isn't being nice.
PoweredBySoy
Banned
All things being equal I've always went with EVGA just for their customer support and warranty. That said I haven't bought an EVGA card in awhile.
Thanks for the suggestion regarding my SSD problem, guys. Computer is now working after I removed those Intel drivers.
Second question, though, I keep getting shutdowns while playing some games. It's not heat because it happens instantly while showing 50 C temps GPU and CPU, computer shuts down completely (no BSOD or anything), and restarts.
I thought my GPU was the issue but I RMA'd and they returned it stating nothing was wrong. It's not my HDD since I now have a new SSD and it still happens. And last night I left memtest running and it passed 7 times without issue.
So, now I'm thinking it's my PSU or Motherboard. Hopefully PSU. I have an Intel i5 OC to 4.5 and a 670. What is a cheap, good PSU I can buy to test if this is the issue, and if so, send my 750 corsair PSU for warranty. Will the Antec VP-450 provide enough wattage?
Second question, though, I keep getting shutdowns while playing some games. It's not heat because it happens instantly while showing 50 C temps GPU and CPU, computer shuts down completely (no BSOD or anything), and restarts.
I thought my GPU was the issue but I RMA'd and they returned it stating nothing was wrong. It's not my HDD since I now have a new SSD and it still happens. And last night I left memtest running and it passed 7 times without issue.
So, now I'm thinking it's my PSU or Motherboard. Hopefully PSU. I have an Intel i5 OC to 4.5 and a 670. What is a cheap, good PSU I can buy to test if this is the issue, and if so, send my 750 corsair PSU for warranty. Will the Antec VP-450 provide enough wattage?
PoweredBySoy
Banned
Well, first thing, disable that OC and see if it still does it.
Is it normal for the South Bridge Chipset to be super hot (about 80C measured with my hands). It has some sort of heatsink but I don't have any dedicated airflow there. I know it is not going to overheat, because I am using the system for about 8 months now.
Fractal R3 Case, Asus P8Z77-V LX.
Should I get an extra fan to mount it on the side or it is natural for the chipset to run really hot?
Any news on MSI 4GB version of 770 GTX (Lightning or G Series)? I really dig their cooler. I don't like small fans of Windforce. Also Lightning completely stomps other cards in noise/temperature:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk104-review,3519-26.html
Fractal R3 Case, Asus P8Z77-V LX.
Should I get an extra fan to mount it on the side or it is natural for the chipset to run really hot?
Any news on MSI 4GB version of 770 GTX (Lightning or G Series)? I really dig their cooler. I don't like small fans of Windforce. Also Lightning completely stomps other cards in noise/temperature:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk104-review,3519-26.html
The OP has the best stuff, sans the Monoprice IPS stuff.
Ok GAF, hit me.
PCPartPicker part list
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Sandisk Extreme 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.00 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card ($465.85 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Corsair 550D ATX Mid Tower Case ($126.07 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1313.87
I'm not against switching parts but I'm more concerned about price/performance ratio than the actual price. Still seems a lot plus I don't plan on using Newegg canada at all, so you can ignore those prices but I'll probably be ballparking around there either way.
GPU I might go eVGA/wait for eVGA 4gb model, mobo I could go ASUS -A instead. Anything else I should be worried about?
PCPartPicker part list
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Sandisk Extreme 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.00 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card ($465.85 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Corsair 550D ATX Mid Tower Case ($126.07 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1313.87
I'm not against switching parts but I'm more concerned about price/performance ratio than the actual price. Still seems a lot plus I don't plan on using Newegg canada at all, so you can ignore those prices but I'll probably be ballparking around there either way.
GPU I might go eVGA/wait for eVGA 4gb model, mobo I could go ASUS -A instead. Anything else I should be worried about?
Still does.
Bit-Tech are pretty impressed with the new Corsair Carbide dual-chamber case, it appears: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2013/06/19/corsair-carbide-air-540-review/1
You're either going to love or hate the looks, but for those of you who shove your system behind or under a desk that won't matter one bit.
Edit: Acoustic performance isn't the best in Hexus' tests, unfortunately: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/chassis/56953-corsair-carbide-series-air-540/?page=4
Haswell offers you an element of future-proofing, but given the slow rate of CPU development (a 2-3yr old i7-2600K is better at OC'd speeds), you may be able to save money by buying Ivy or Sandy Bridge components.
RE: The GPU, some round here are rather against 4GB VRAM, but I personally think it'll be needed for max texture settings in the foreseeable future, and that's not me saying that just to generate extra revenue for NVIDIA or our partners.
You're either going to love or hate the looks, but for those of you who shove your system behind or under a desk that won't matter one bit.
Edit: Acoustic performance isn't the best in Hexus' tests, unfortunately: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/chassis/56953-corsair-carbide-series-air-540/?page=4
Haswell offers you an element of future-proofing, but given the slow rate of CPU development (a 2-3yr old i7-2600K is better at OC'd speeds), you may be able to save money by buying Ivy or Sandy Bridge components.
RE: The GPU, some round here are rather against 4GB VRAM, but I personally think it'll be needed for max texture settings in the foreseeable future, and that's not me saying that just to generate extra revenue for NVIDIA or our partners.
I really really like that they've started to use better fans in their cases too. Having the same mechanisms as the AF series in a less expensive enclosure makes for a great fan that doesn't need to be replaced. That's some definite added value there.
Personally, it's not that I don't think future games won't need 4GB VRAM, I'm just a skeptic. I won't really be convinced of the 670/680/770 4GB performance benefits until I see tests that show me otherwise.
- Status