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sloppyjoe_gamer
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DeadOblivion78
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I find it embarrassing that people are arguing this much over a fucking Lego game.
Hero of Spielberg
Gold Member
Sony’s strategy is crystal clear …It’s only GAAS on other platforms … and Lego games … and games with zombies in them … and games that start with G …
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Y'all stop posting that hamburger right next to Aloy's face pics please, lol. I've spent way too much time on the internet.
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Even in spin offs Aloy wont shut up.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I don't think this is suppose to work. This is just something Sony made up to make some people feel better.
Just like the statements they made back when they announce Zero Dawn for PC.
Horizon: Zero Dawn confirmed for PC
Herman Hulst in an interview about PS games on PC: "I think it's important that we stay open to new ideas of how to introduce more people to PlayStation, and show people maybe what they've been missing out on," he said. "And to maybe put a few minds at ease, releasing one first-party AAA title...
PeteBull
Member
U are the case of a player who isnt ps4 only by holidays 2024, u mentioned urself having pc and switch, so for some reason u refuse to get ps5 even 4 years into this console gen, maybe u gonna get ps5pr0 instead and then get this new game for it?
Certainly from Sony's perspective it looks like 0 sense move to put ps4 port of this game coz players like u wont be tempted to buy it on ps4 if u got pc and switch anyways(if u want better version u gonna go with pc, if u want mobility u go with castrated to hell and back switch version- either way ps4 port wouldnt be enticing enough for u to buy it anyways).
Im also old ps4 player w/o ps5(decided it was too weak and we gonna get pr0 console down the line as soon as we got official info on the ps5 specs back in 2020), in hindsight i think it was solid move coz now pr0 is coming, tons of sony exclusives come on pc, delayed but still, and only thing that will force me to get ps5(pr0) is probably gta6, but thats in 2025 if no delays ;D
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Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
I find it more embarassing that people make this strawman and don't read the thread.
BlackTron
Gold Member
Again, your arguments only exist in a world where PS4 games halt completely. Why ever release a PS4 version of any game ever again if the publisher can reasonably expect "players like me" to "not be tempted to buy it" because we'll just get it on PC or Switch "anyways"? The fact is, this game is uniquely special NOT because it has poor sales potential on PS4, but because they want to prevent you from buying it there.
I also held out for PS5 Pro, but at this point I'm not sure I need one at all. Why? Mostly due to Sony's tactics to try and get me to buy one. This is the actual definition of irony.
BlackTron
Gold Member
I don't think this is suppose to work. This is just something Sony made up to make some people feel better.
Just like the statements they made back when they announce Zero Dawn for PC.
Horizon: Zero Dawn confirmed for PC
Herman Hulst in an interview about PS games on PC: "I think it's important that we stay open to new ideas of how to introduce more people to PlayStation, and show people maybe what they've been missing out on," he said. "And to maybe put a few minds at ease, releasing one first-party AAA title...www.neogaf.com
What about those comments seem made up? I even believe that, at the time, they didn't have a plan for day-and-date games. Even a Lego game! lol
Fast fowarding to today:
So you are telling me that they MADE UP this answer, in order to make their fans feel better? Masters of empathy
BlackTron
Gold Member
Sony started diluting their brand image the nanosecond they starting putting their IP on other platforms several years ago.
Neofire
Member
Hell no it isn't made up lol, Herman Hulst and his ilk have been wanting to push for this for a while now. Once the PS5 sales start to slide even more they will blame is on PS5 owners and say that we aren't buying enough HW/SW and that they have to consider releasing on "other" platforms.
Releasing games on competitors platforms has never encouraged those players to come to your platform lol.
BlackTron
Gold Member
But remember, Nintendo would be extremely foolish not to go after that massive PC install base, amirite
Neofire
Member
Looks at switch HW/SW sales.......yep extremely foolish
PeteBull
Member
That is what im saying, most games got no last gen version anymore, u gotta look at it not from perspective of ps4 player, but from perspective of Sony, if they dont profit from ps4 version(which they dont in this particular case) there wont be one, simple as that.
I will give u example of allan wake 2, at first game was digital only, and it was heavily unplayable on older gpu's, aka pascal, game didnt sell enough copies and remedy had to bend the knee recently, they announced physical version by now and few weeks back majorly improved pascal gpu's performance, all of it to generate more sales.
Sony has hard data on gt7/miles morales/gow:ragnarok sales on ps4 vs ps5, if they predicted ps4 version of lego horizon to sell half decent by holidays 2024 they would definitely make sure such version would exist, unfortunately its not the case, especially if we know ps4 port wouldnt be made in a vacuum, aka ps4/ps5 version only but pc and switch too, it further decreases profitability of ps4 version unfortunately.
Its simply business, no hard feelings. Its not like WNBA where it is subsidized by NBA, ps4 port has to be profitable by itself to make sense.
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BlackTron
Gold Member
Looks at switch HW/SW sales.......yep extremely foolish
No you don't understand, if N games were on PC, they would sell the same amount of switch games, systems, controllers, accessories, services and supplementary eshop games.
To stop being sarcastic for a second -the idea that PC will just expand their market relies on the theory that exclusivity was not important to get Nintendo where they are in the first place. They could launch PC games, get massive sales in the short term as PC chads cheer they were right, as the first move of unraveling their empire that outlasted every other game company.
Neofire
Member
I agree with you wholeheartedly, we both know what would happen if Nintendo put their games on PC
let's keep it 100. We also know that Nintendo would never water down their brand like MS and Sony(sadly in the early stages of) are doing. The PC market has never kept any console maker afloat in history of videogames and it isn't going to do it now, for the ones still thinking the PC market is the answer. Exclusives matter and brand strength matters. Nintendo has realized this and it is paying off.
The new leadership at Sony is trying to make a few million more sales by whoring out their IPs and in turn it isn't diluting their brand as something that can be bought on PC and now their competitors platform.....which is cheaper.
BlackTron
Gold Member
I agree with you wholeheartedly, we both know what would happen if Nintendo put their games on PC
The PC market has never kept any console maker afloat in history of videogames and it isn't going to do it now, for the ones still thinking the PC market is the answer. Exclusives matter and brand strength matters. Nintendo has realized this and it is paying off.
The new leadership at Sony is trying to make a few million more sales by whoring out their IPs and in turn it isn't diluting their brand as something that can be bought on PC and now their competitors platform.....which is cheaper.
Exactly. This all reeks of some stupid new-wave MBA know-it-alls who think they know better than dusty old Grandpa rushing in and tanking the business in exchange for a dollar dangled in front of them while the old guard watches in disbelief.
PeteBull
Member
Totally agree, lets hope we are all wrong but so far u can tell if sony follows microsoft's stupid decision it can only end in same kind of diseaster.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Its a joke. The interesting bit is mentioning Australia.
BlackTron
Gold Member
vivftp
Member
It's about introducing the IP to a new demographic to get them interested in Horizon. Those who become fans of it then have an opportunity to...
- Play Horizon ZD or FW on PS4/PS5 or PC, or Call of the Mountain on PSVR2
- Try Guerrilla's rumored upcoming Horizon Online game
- Try NCSoft's rumored upcoming Horizon MMO game
- Play the inevitable Horizon 3
- Watch the Horizon Netflix series when it arrives
- Buy the inevitable LEGO Horizon kits that'll result from this game (I think the previous Tallneck one is discontinued), thus earning Sony/LEGO a good chunk of change
- Plus of course it's about raking in an assload of revenue from this game, which could lead to more. If they're adapting Zero Dawn for this game then the next natural move is to make a second one for Forbidden West.
Some of the above may result in folks picking up a PS console to play those games. It's not about doing this to only plant one seed and hope for a single plant to sprout, it's about planting many seeds in the hopes of yielding a bumper crop - this is just one seed among many. Horizon's already a huge IP, they want to turn it into a mega-IP. They're well on their way to achieving that with all the various projects.
BlackTron
Gold Member
I understand the idea behind it, not necessarily that it's a good one.
vivftp
Member
I'm curious why you feel it's not a good idea. Their strategy seems to be about casting a wide net with things like live service, PC ports and experimental projects like this, while continuing to give priority to their console with their tentpole titles only appearing there day 1.
Growing their IP can only do so much on their own platform, which is where all of these other ventures come into play. I'd say so far they're doing a good job of walking that line between a multi-plat publisher and a platform holder. Just enough to bring in more revenue and market to a new audience, but not enough to make their own platform irrelevant.
BlackTron
Gold Member
These things pan out over time. Sony is not going to make a move and see its direct effects when they wake up the next day. The consequence of doing all this is long-tail brand dilution.
For you to be right, the only thing that must matter is day-one exclusives. I don't really think so. I think if Horizon 1 shows up on PC a few years later, and you no longer need a PS to play that game, you already have brand dilution.
If you knew Super Mario Wonder would be on PC in two years, would you buy a console to play it? The assumption being made is that every current existing console player would be there even if the game was multiplatform. This is false, many of those console owners would simply never have bought the platform.
What they are missing is that their strong brand is a priceless resource built up over generations that they are now beginning to dissipate for short-term gains.
Mr Moose
Member
What game does Sony have that has zombies in it?
vivftp
Member
That's where walking that fine line comes into play and why they're not doing any hard pivots in their strategy. They've been putting games on PC for years now and yet their games are still selling gangbusters and records are still being broken.
Bringing in that additional revenue from other platforms and their live service endeavors is how they can help to continue to fund these massive AAA blockbuster titles that their platform has become known for. Without that "brand dilution" that you describe, they'd have to start making cutbacks on those ambitious tentpole games, which is something no one wants.
I don't personally care, let PC players or even players on other platforms enjoy these games. If it makes you feel better then maybe you can view it as the lesser of two evils.
I also do feel that this is all leading towards Sony expanding the PlayStation Store to mobile and PC so folks can buy games directly from them without having to give a platform split to another company. Everything so far is just laying the foundation. They can still sell on other store fronts like Steam if they want, but they can also offer additional benefits to folks who buy on their store front like cross-buy and whatnot. That's another topic though, heh.
BlackTron
Gold Member
Agree to disagree. Let's revisit this conversation 2-3 years into PS6 vs Nintendo.
vivftp
Member
We shall meet in this thread on December 1st, 2028 at 5:00 PM ET. I'll be wearing red underwear.
BlackTron
Gold Member
We shall meet in this thread on December 1st, 2028 at 5:00 PM ET. I'll be wearing red underwear.
On that day I'm scheduled to shoot someone wearing purple underwear.
Don't fuck it up.
vivftp
Member
BlackTron
Gold Member
*hopes you're not colorblind
Don't worry, I have special glasses.
They're from Microsoft.
Markio128
Gold Member
Folk are assuming that the PS6 will just be a more powerful PS5. There’s literally nothing stopping Sony from taking the Switch route by releasing a hybrid console. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if both Xbox and Sony went down that route. You can’t hide success.
Fabieter
Member
And? As long as Nintendo sticks to exclusives than it won't matter.
BlackTron
Gold Member
If Nintendo had launched Switch in an environment where everybody knew BOTW would be on PC in 2 years, would it be where it is today?
Of course hardware matters, but we're talking software strategy atm
vivftp
Member
We already have a rumor (unsure of its reliability) of Sony developing a new handheld device that can play PS4 games and select patched PS5 games. I think that could introduce a new factor in the console generation cycle where we get the baseline console and then around the mid-way point we get the Pro and Portable versions of that console. Sony already has the Portal to use as a baseline template, the handheld could just be a chonkier Portal to account for the additional hardware and larger battery.
I'm not so sure about the idea of Sony launching a hybrid at the start of a gen. I think they'll continue to strive for cutting edge tech at the start of a gen, and then release the handheld variant later, just like they release a Pro later. Whatever lessons they learn this gen with regards to hardware and software dev could help shape and refine things for next gen.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
i believe that Q&A quote is not from Sony. Its a theory from a random twitter guy
Fabieter
Member
I don't think this is suppose to work. This is just something Sony made up to make some people feel better.
Just like the statements they made back when they announce Zero Dawn for PC.
Horizon: Zero Dawn confirmed for PC
Herman Hulst in an interview about PS games on PC: "I think it's important that we stay open to new ideas of how to introduce more people to PlayStation, and show people maybe what they've been missing out on," he said. "And to maybe put a few minds at ease, releasing one first-party AAA title...
100% to ease their userbase. This will ultimately fail too. People aint stupid and won't stick to you just because of your brand recognition.
BlackTron
Gold Member
He is either lying about what was discussed at Sony's meeting, or he is correct.
There is no theory.
simpatico
Member
I don't think Horizon sells that much if it's third party and not given that first party marketing boost. Plus there's the sense that if you own a PS5, you're obligated to buy the "big exclusives". If Horizon was some Eido multiplat, it would still be fine, it would just be acknowledged as the 7.5-8 decent game that it is.
Isn't Playground busy ruining Fable? Are they big enough for two AAA projects?
BlackTron
Gold Member
DLC?
midnightAI
Member
Why on earth would Sony do that? Especially if MS went that route, Sony would have the regular home console market all to themselves.
Fabieter
Member
There is a offical slide with experimanal games so he's likely right but this means it's a step more towards all games day and date.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Nope. It would be acknowledged as the high 80s meta that it is - it's considerably better than any other open world multiplat like Ass Creed, which has garbage combat and story.
It would sell more as a multiplat for sure, but not worth the hit to the ecosystem