The label on this orange juice I'm drinking has 1 ingredient on the label, "orange juice"
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New research exposes health risks of fructose, sugary drinks
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The label on this orange juice I'm drinking has 1 ingredient on the label, "orange juice"
Miles Quaritch
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Looks like I'm going to have to go cold turkey.
For some crazy reason, I had it in my mind that cane sugar wasn't as bad. I'm now wondering why I ever thought such a thing.
NoblesseOblige
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I was going to say Midwesterner detected because of the usage of 'pop', but then saw the tag. Does Canada call it 'pop' too? Also yeah, the fear surrounding aspartame amazes me. I stopped for a bite of fast food about a year ago and this obese mother denied her obese children diet soda because "it punches holes in yer brains". So she got them normal soda instead.
it's clever branding along the same shit along lots of "organic" or "non-gmo" labeling. it's deception for consumers to automatically assume something is healthier without researching.
Miles Quaritch
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Ah fuck, I always thought I was too on the ball and savvy to get played by that nonsense.
Damn they got me good. I'll have one last drink and that's it for me. Plain old water from tomorrow.
It actually goes the other way. Customer/marketing reserch shows that the uneducated and nutritionally ignorant public doesn't want to buy soda with aspartame or HCFS because they somehow think unnatural = unhealthy, but they will totally buy anything with natural sugar or cane sugar in it (despite it being more expensive because corn is subsidized in the U.S., and sugar cane is still bad for you) because they think natural = healthy. So food companies are replacing their ingredients with cane sugar at the higher cost and selling it to people because it is what people want, as you just saw from that poster, thinking it's the healthy alternative when it's not. Customers demand non-GMO, organic, real sugar, etc bullshit because they're ignorant.
It's not food companies' jobs to educate the public. That's the education system + FDA's job, and it's doing a shitty job at it. If food companies even tried to educate the public, no one would trust them because they are the food companies. The food companies just capitalize on what the customers demand from their food, that is their only ability (they cannot make something that the market does not want or it will not sell, companies follow trends), and that leads to this nonsense cycle where food companies make products that appear healthy but aren't really healthy for people who want products that appear healthy but aren't really healthy.
It's funny, growing up my parents had more coke in the fridge than water. I started drinking only water about 10 years ago and visited them this weekend. They only had coke, had a sip and it felt like acid running through my body. Oddly enough, booze does not have this effect on me.
I wish I was you. I've been drinking 6 cans of coke every day since I was 12. Never gets old, and the longer I try to quit for the better it tastes. It's cost me so much in dental fees it's amazing, at least 20k. And on top of that weight issues, possible diabetes... fuck, it's terrible.
Yet I wake up in the middle of the night and need one. If I don't have any, I'll get in the car and drive as far as it takes to get one, then I can sleep again. It's probably an addiction at this point.
I'm not going to live past 50, am I?
Skellig Gra
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With our broken healthcare system and unhealthy population? Doesn't seem like a great idea long term.
i thought that's what i said? consumers assume those ingredients are healthier w/o knowing the science.
as long as the education system and FDA keep getting those food and beverage lobbying dollars... well...
NoblesseOblige
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I felt the same way after quitting soda for 2 years. I can manage a glass every now and then with a meal, but if I don't have any food with just like a can of soda then I get this heavy nauseating feeling in my stomach.
Aeriscloud
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Yes, you will die.
I call bullshit on this. I've done soda and fast food fasts before and every time I try it again after a long time of not having it, that shit still tastes just as delicious.
Giving up typical soft drinks is easy depending on how reliant you've become on the caffeine. For me in particular, I drink 2-3 cups of coffee a day, so it wasn't even an issue.
But I really recommend buying a Sodastream. The trick is to pass on their pre-packaged syrups and just use, like, half a shot glass of 100% juice per bottle. There's still measurable amounts of (naturally-present) sugar in the final product, but it's probably a hell of a lot healthier than anything you'll find in the soda aisle.
That...and water. Just a glass of water. It's my usual go-to.
But I really recommend buying a Sodastream. The trick is to pass on their pre-packaged syrups and just use, like, half a shot glass of 100% juice per bottle. There's still measurable amounts of (naturally-present) sugar in the final product, but it's probably a hell of a lot healthier than anything you'll find in the soda aisle.
That...and water. Just a glass of water. It's my usual go-to.
well that happens even w/o sugary drinks~~~~
I wish I was you. I've been drinking 6 cans of coke every day since I was 12. Never gets old, and the longer I try to quit for the better it tastes. It's cost me so much in dental fees it's amazing, at least 20k. And on top of that weight issues, possible diabetes... fuck, it's terrible.
Yet I wake up in the middle of the night and need one. If I don't have any, I'll get in the car and drive as far as it takes to get one, then I can sleep again. It's probably an addiction at this point.
I'm not going to live past 50, am I?
Try to limit yourself to just 1-2 cans a day, see where you go from there.
Guess I've just gotten used to gluten-free tofu & artisanal kale.
Aeriscloud
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Look, I'm just bringing them the facts.
Bubba_Sparks
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That's pretty scary since I've never heard of that condition before! I've had the same weight for years, so I guess I'd never be able to tell if that was even happening!
I am also a little confound as to how people drink pop and juice as a "drink", replacing water. A good rule of thumb is to treat water as a drink, and treat anything else as dessert.
Define "long time". A week? A month?
In my most recent attempt to drink pop, I had 1/4 can of ginger ale before I felt ill. This is most certainly not "bullshit".
I am the guy who used to drink 2 litres of pop a day.
I'm starting to lean this way too. I used to be a huge soda fiend, and to some degree still am -- I've managed to cut back to no more than 1 can a day (and sometimes not at all), which might be laughable to some but is progress all the same, haha. But lately it sometimes doesn't taste as good, or I have a hard time finishing it or just don't finish it at all. As I start drinking less soda and more water, I think my body is slowly but surely weaning me off it.
Aeriscloud
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Because water doesn't go very well with my medium fries and 2 double cheese burgers.
loaf of bread
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Who the hell doesn't know that soda is bad for you?
Again sugar itself is the small problem yeah it produces also fructose but to add fructose again is the BIG problem.
Fructose is cheaper than real sucrose so they add !pure! as sugar substitute in many things BUT fructose its basically alcohol without the buzz and headache which means you don't even know you poison yourself...
Still the majority of health problems you get from alcohol and fructose are almost one and the same.
Here a bit complicated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
If you want it more easy layman watch the sugar movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uaWekLrilY
Fructose is cheaper than real sucrose so they add !pure! as sugar substitute in many things BUT fructose its basically alcohol without the buzz and headache which means you don't even know you poison yourself...
Still the majority of health problems you get from alcohol and fructose are almost one and the same.
Here a bit complicated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
If you want it more easy layman watch the sugar movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uaWekLrilY
Aeriscloud
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Bread makes you fat?
Ganzlinger
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"Sugar, yes please"
Cane sugar feels like it should be better because it's not controlled by a giant evil industry. It also tastes better. Cane Coke is noticeably better than HFCS Coke. But sucrose literally contains fructose so in the end it's the same thing.
There's no need to go cold turkey though. Moderation.
edit:
HFCS is a syrup composed of fructose and glucose
Sucrose is a molecule made from fructose and glucose molecules
evilromero
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Sugary food is very different than sugary drinks. One goes through a process of breaking down food stuff, which staves off hunger while provide more nutrients. Drinking sugary drinks is simply trolling your brain and body into thinking you're actually eating something.
Alligatorjandro
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I drink sugary drinks at times
I cut all soda from my diet a little over a month ago. Those first few day were hard as I was craving it badly! Now though, I tried drinking a Coke a few days ago and I couldn't stomach the taste.
I've moved towards using water enhancers like those little Kool-Aid ones. While I'm sure there is still bad stuff in them, there are no calories or sugar. I feel this is a good middle ground.
I've moved towards using water enhancers like those little Kool-Aid ones. While I'm sure there is still bad stuff in them, there are no calories or sugar. I feel this is a good middle ground.
Miles Quaritch
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Honestly, that's probably why I thought so.
And I've been having one every single day for nearly three months. I think I should break the habit and then maybe turn it into a treat after a couple of months.
sounds fucking boring, especially if coffee and tea are pretty gross to me.
Moderation people. Everything in moderation. Alcohol bad in mass quantities, sugery drinks bad in mass quantities. One or less of those a day isn't going to make you gain 40lbs.
And even the article says the problem is in part because people don't eat less when they drink a sugery drink.
Rex Griswold
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And people said I was crazy for diluting my cranberry juice.
Isn't this widely known?
I tried to quit soda a few months back and lasted about two and a half weeks (with painful caffeine withdrawals) before slowly getting into the habit again. I think I enjoy the taste of some sodas too much to give them up forever... I went from cold turkey, to one can a week, to two, to everyday again...
RumblingRosco
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Allergies are generally caused by the human body's reaction to proteins. HFCS is basically just sugar (aka, a carbohydrate, not a protein) with a few trace minerals. People with a corn allergy shouldn't have an allergic reaction to HFCS.
Thing is if you want to life 100% healthy you basically can only eat nuts, beans, some greens (not even all), water, tea and coffee all without sugar obviously... that's it nothing else no fruits at all, no meat at all yes even white meat... for the rest of your life.
lol the next best thing is moderation which works also.
lol the next best thing is moderation
which works also.Fuck you
Thanks. I figured it shouldn't, it's about same as regular suger with slightly more fructose content from what I understand, but I don't know shit about alergies.
A Fish Aficionado
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I'm glad we're getting a more nuanced discussion.
I really like David Katz from Yale take on this.
Perils of a Sugar-Coated Scapegoat
I really like David Katz from Yale take on this.
Perils of a Sugar-Coated Scapegoat
Euphoria14
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I cut out almost all soda years ago. Now my household tends to go through 1-2 24-packs of water per week due to it being the only thing we really drink.
Of course I still like to pick up a bottle of ginger ale once a month or so.
Of course I still like to pick up a bottle of ginger ale once a month or so.
It's no different but as long as you drink it sparingly you'll be fine. By the way people talk on the internet you think that drinking a soda once a month is going to end your life. I drink a single soda 4-5 times per week but other than that I only drink water.
Different people, different reactions.
After mostly cutting sugary drinks out of my weekly diet, I can't help but notice how sweet things are as compared to before. I can't really bring myself to drink orange juice or fruit drinks without having to water it down.
Soda just bombs my taste buds and gives me a headache now. The only carborated beverage I touch is sparkling water. Shame I keep drinking juices when they're around.
I've dropped a massive amount of weight by cutting sugars from my weekly diet.
Avoiding sugary food is hard in general. I've come to notice that some foods have an unnecessary amount of sugar in them. Like peanutbutter and preserveratives. I've had home made peanut butter and preserveratives and they were no where as sweet as store bought brands. I guess it's to preserve, but still, I'd take some items with shorter shelf life if that meant that they have less sugar and sodium.
Same here. I've been on water for years and the thought of drinking sodas just seems horrible to me now. It's such an easy way to live a bit healthier too.
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