BF sold well. The thing I'm looking at is that is sold pretty evenly along both platforms. Including the bundle that MS had. The BF bundle really didn't do all that as far as sales go.
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BF sold well. The thing I'm looking at is that is sold pretty evenly along both platforms. Including the bundle that MS had. The BF bundle really didn't do all that as far as sales go.
Obliterator
Member
Yooo, that is really bad.
Hummm, an "ok legs" should be consider. There is also Black friday sales. Maybe the game sells better this month.
Not sure about long term legs, but I do think it will have a good second month in the US do to Black Friday deals retail and digital
LordBaztion
Member
so, given the sales, TF2's population is very likely dropping as fast as TF1, right?
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
wut?
Welfare
Member
Obliterator
Member
It has sold far less copies than the 1st game. So if anything its population is likely worse than in the same time comparison to TF1
Popular misconception among many is that first party titles are the main reason why someone would buy a console, when unless it's a Nintendo game, third party titles tend to always sell more than first party titles.
Terbinator
Member
I think he means why are people buying XB1s, because it can't be for the exclusives with 1st party sales like they are.
LordBaztion
Member
Damn, I guess I'm going to pass on the sale.
Good dammit EA, it was my favorite new IP this gen.
For real that is much better than I thought. ~50k less than the Xbox version, a full year later?
MatPiscatella
Member
This is pretty good.
wesleyshark
Banned
The hot takes are spicy.
Chobel
Member
Not even Halo 5 had good legs on November, so what makes you think Gears 4 would do much better than Halo 5?
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Eh, anyone following sales threads know Kill3r7 isn't one who make shitposts. It's obvious they mean it's really weird that people are buying XB1s but not buying its exclusive games.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
I guess some people are just ignorant then lol
I don't understand why people are buying a console if they do not intend to play some of the main titles that make said console worth owning. In other words, how does MS make games that its current customers want to play?
Because Gears 4 is better rated and talked than Halo 5? Plus, if I'm not wrong Halo 5 also make an appearance in TOP 10 on November's 2015 NPD.
I'm not expecting amazing legs. I was thinking 150-200k or so. 50-60%drop
Also from what I remember halo wasn't on sale for $30-$35 last November
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
I am just going to play dumb with you for a min.
Why did people buy PS3 and still buying PS4?
How many multimillion seller Sony released in PS3 era that crushed MS's Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable sales? Please enlighten me. Who were those 80million people who bought PS3? lol
And why are people buying PS4? How many Sony first party games have outsold Halo 5? lol
Commercials. I've seen plenty of Xbox one S commercials on tv but for the life of me I haven't seen a PS4 slim or pro commercial
Welfare
Member
Definitely true this gen but not so much so last gen. 5 out of the Top 10 best selling 360 games were exclusives (excluding Kinect games).
Thanks for playing dumb but it is not necessary. You think I have some agenda against Xbox yet I do not. It is my most played console this gen. Same as last gen and the gen before that but I digress.
People bought the PS3 because they imagined the future was going to be much like PS2 days and to a certain extent liked the exclusives, jrpgs, blu ray player etc. Although in the case of jrpgs last gen was a bit of a disaster.
PS4 is the more powerful console and initially offered a better value proposition.
wesleyshark
Banned
The controller
The elite controller
The OS is constantly evolving and getting new features
Xbox Live is a solid service
Backwards Compatability is a big deal for a lot of gamers who had 360s/missed out on those titles
Prior and current investment in the Xbox ecosystem
The Xbox One S itself is a beautifully designed console
The list goes on and on
Dougieflesh
Member
I would hope that Gears is talked about more than a year old Halo 5. Gears will only outsell H5 if it's bundled.
CosmicQueso
Member
I think it was a joke? I thought it was funny.
Chobel
Member
Better rated? It's 84 vs 85, basically the same. Better talked? I'm not even sure how are you measuring that.
BTW Halo 5 sold 330K or something like that on November, I don't think Gears 4 will sell anything close to that.
Also Halo 5 was launched on October 27 vs October 11 for Gears 4.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
I'm going to assume Gears is over 30% digital due to play anywhere and also graphics card bundling. I'm going to say 40% for a high, but at least high 30s...maybe like 36.
Well, there was more people complaining about Halo 5 that time than Gears 4 now.
I don't like to make predictions about numbers but with a highly discounted xbox one S bundle could do better now than Halo 5 bundle then.
I agree for the most part. The Elite controller and asymmetrical sticks are great. It is the primary reason why I will always play FPS games on it. The OS has been a bit of a hit or miss. More of a miss as of lately, Cortana hates my wife and I. BC is a fantastic feature which only came into existence last year. Price and now UHD support are both excellent reasons to buy a console.
XBL is a great online service, yet two of the games that are synonymous with the service are mostly being ignored this gen. I guess what I am trying to say is who are these new Xbox customers and what do they like?
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
I am not implying that you have any agenda against Xbox. Seriously. And based on your post it looks like you already know that people don't buy a console for 1 thing only. Its the overall value proposition.
Despite the PS3 sold neck and neck with Xbox 360, none of the PlayStation franchised came even close to Microsoft's when it comes to sales.
travisbickle
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MS gained their greatest sales around Christmas time with huge discounts. Casuals bought the cheapest console on the market at those times, casuals that don't buy first party titles and only play Madden/CoD/Destiny ...
Humdinger
Member
Wow, and that's just a few days.
Right, and I'd also add (as a not-Xbox fan):
- Perceptions have shifted a lot since the first year or two (rotten reveal, etc.)
- Phil Spencer has been a very effective spokesman/marketer/figurehead
- Announcement of Scorpio has associated the brand with Powah, and that perception helps
- Radical price drops have brought the console into the affordable range for lots of average Joe Gamers who are the kind that Xbox targets (those who almost only play the big AAA Western shooters, sports titles, and online games).
I think brand perception is changing and a lot of the "designated winner" aura that Sony had in the last couple of years in the US/UK is wearing thin, and the crowd that loves the Xbox is coming alive, with the ranks swelling. I expect sales to continue in this vein for the forseeable future, with Xbox making up ground and eventually overtaking PS4 in NPD, probably around the time Scorpio releases. WW it will continue to be a different story, of course.
Gears 4 numbers are disappointing, but it isn't entirely unexpected. It was always going to be a tough sell due to the lower console installbase, Gears 3 events, developer change, and good but not outstanding graphics.
Titanfall 2's performance makes me think that if Respawn's Star Wars game takes off then we won't see TF3 for a while, if ever. I cannot imagine EA are looking at the TF2 sales figures and are thinking "We'll get 'em next time", because the entire point of signing the COD creators was to create the next COD this gen. I think the best thing TF2 has going for it is extremely positive word of mouth. And Respawn owns the IP, right? So if EA choose to not fund a TF3, I imagine Respawn will look for another publisher -- possibly pursue a timed-exclusive deal with Microsoft.
Tomb Raider was, as many expected, going to do poorly on PS4 due to the delayed release. Given the existence of the UC bundle, I'm not sure if bundling TR on PS4 makes sense. It's going to need a lot of standalone promotions to get the sales numbers to cross 1M. I think it's fair to say that Square have their work cut out for them for the next TR game.
Titanfall 2's performance makes me think that if Respawn's Star Wars game takes off then we won't see TF3 for a while, if ever. I cannot imagine EA are looking at the TF2 sales figures and are thinking "We'll get 'em next time", because the entire point of signing the COD creators was to create the next COD this gen. I think the best thing TF2 has going for it is extremely positive word of mouth. And Respawn owns the IP, right? So if EA choose to not fund a TF3, I imagine Respawn will look for another publisher -- possibly pursue a timed-exclusive deal with Microsoft.
Tomb Raider was, as many expected, going to do poorly on PS4 due to the delayed release. Given the existence of the UC bundle, I'm not sure if bundling TR on PS4 makes sense. It's going to need a lot of standalone promotions to get the sales numbers to cross 1M. I think it's fair to say that Square have their work cut out for them for the next TR game.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Is this info new thread worthy?
Just asking as we've had so much speculation about AAA performance lately
Just asking as we've had so much speculation about AAA performance lately
Uncharted sold over 21 million in 3 games on ps3. GT5 sold 12 million. Little Big Planet was near 6. The Last of Us was over 6 too. MGS4 while not a Sony game, was a ~6million exclusive too
There's not much difference between those and Halo, Gears and maybe Forza 3? I guess you can add Kinect Adventures as it was bundled with Kinect.
There are members of the American games press whose heads would explode if they cared enough about their jobs to actually discover a fact like this that contradicts their fictional narrative of "Sony exclusives don't sell".
gundamkyoukai
Member
The PS3 sold as good as 360 WW .
So you have to look at WW sales which mean yes PS3 IP did comes close to MS own IP.
For eg GOW3 , TLOU , UC2 and 3 , GT5 and 6 and a few more.
If we talking NPD only yes they did not comes close.
The release date was the problem Imo. Releasing in between Bf1 and Cod was just dumb. I'm certain if it released earlier in the year it would have done much better.
LBP sold a lot, too.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
how much did Halo 3, Reach, Halo 4 sold? More than 10 million each
How much did Gears 1-3 sold? I dont have exact numbers but they were above Uncharted.
The point is, people dont buy console to play first party. At least majority dont.
No doubt, but it also helps to have a variety in first party IP. The UC4 numbers showed growth and now it's being kept alive by being bundled with an entry level PS4.
MS has seen decline in their IP and they've doubled down on those games. Smart because it's still making them money, but at some point that well is going to run dry.
I wish MS wouldn't have tied down their studios to one franchise. Sony has a stable. After uncharted, ND is going with TLOU. GG are now making Horizon. You get the picture. Not only that but they've also made deal with 2nd party studios.
get2sammyb
Member
It always amazes me in this threads that people struggle to step outside of themselves and see what the average consumer sees. Gears of War 4, like Quantum Break before it, just looked really boring.
That's not to say that they're not great games, but if you're the kind of person that doesn't read NeoGAF and follow reviews and every single screenshot and trailer, then I'm not sure what there was with either title to get excited about.
And before people jump on me, that exact perspective is reflected by the sales numbers.
That's not to say that they're not great games, but if you're the kind of person that doesn't read NeoGAF and follow reviews and every single screenshot and trailer, then I'm not sure what there was with either title to get excited about.
And before people jump on me, that exact perspective is reflected by the sales numbers.
You've gone from 'none of the franchises' to 'Halo was bigger', and even then GT5 sold as much as Halo 3, the peak of the series. Gears 1-3 is around the same as Uncharted 1-3 actually. The world is not the US.
I don't care why people buy consoles as there's many reasons from different people, I was just correcting your statement.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Gear 1 to 3 are not way about UC 1 to 3 WW.
While i agree with your point you are using the wrong data for it .
I think it's a combination of multiple things.
Do you think futuristic cod fatigue has put people off titanfall? I think the games look and play similar enough to outsiders that this may have had an effect too