dano1
A Sheep
True but you don’t need to spend more than $500 if you just want it to do PC only things.
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PC vs Console in 2024... time to ditch PC?
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Buggy Loop
Member
Let's not even mention the usual cabling situation
Makes it very hard to connect the PC to a TV
And the keyboards
Who can even play games with that!
Halo2redvsblue
Member
Of course we will, not saying those will go away as well. I'm saying the interface for steamos and Windows will help people transition from consoles to PC better. I use my steam deck and I use the UI more than I do desktop mode but I do use desktop mode as well.
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StereoVsn
Member
You forgot about having to optimize your 640KB conventional memory. And really that’s all the memory anybody would need on PCs.Talking points from a bygone era that people who have never used a gaming PC think are still real things. I’m always on gamespy downloading patches! My jazz drive is full! I’m cleaning out my mouse ball constantly! ICQ notifications make my games crash! I ran out of installs because of Starforce!
Oh, and messing around with IRQs, now that was truly metal!
buenoblue
Member
I haven't watched the video but for years I was all about PC gaming. I pretty much built 3 PCs from from 2010-2018 probably spending over £5000. Though I always had the consoles I mainly played on PC and enjoyed all the tinkering and freedom to push graphics.
Cut to today and although I still have a PC (rtx 2080) I almost always game on PS5 nowadays. The last game I bought on PC was starfield and it was a mess and just crashed and ran like shit. Everytime I do boot up a game on pc it always has some weird problem that I have to spend half an hour researching on Google.
I feel like graphics have got pretty good on consoles and with a nice HDR OLED VRR they can look great. And I just want to sit down and play a game as easy as possible.
Being able to buy a PS5 game on my phone at work and start the download remotely is great. Get home and press the PS button and it turns on my PS5, Surround sound and TV and I'm gaming in seconds with HDR and 3d Atmos sound
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Cut to today and although I still have a PC (rtx 2080) I almost always game on PS5 nowadays. The last game I bought on PC was starfield and it was a mess and just crashed and ran like shit. Everytime I do boot up a game on pc it always has some weird problem that I have to spend half an hour researching on Google.
I feel like graphics have got pretty good on consoles and with a nice HDR OLED VRR they can look great. And I just want to sit down and play a game as easy as possible.
Being able to buy a PS5 game on my phone at work and start the download remotely is great. Get home and press the PS button and it turns on my PS5, Surround sound and TV and I'm gaming in seconds with HDR and 3d Atmos sound
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SoloCamo
Member
Imagine thinking nothing has improved after 16 years. If anything those issues you mentioned are even less now. We just have way more games to play than ever which also increases the chance of crappy ports (that do get fixed anyways).
Sure you do. I swear, the fact that most of you drive scares me.
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Mithos
Member
I don't have a receiver supporting that, DD5.1 and DTS is the only support.
Also my PC is hooked up to my TV (pass-through on the sound so the TV do not touch it), then from the TV's "toslink out" to the receiver.
So to get surround sound, whatever device hooked up need to send a DD5.1 or DTS signal to the TV, and the TV just pass the signal to the toslink allowing the receiver to take care of the signal.
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RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
I love this functionality, sitting on the toilet in work, browsing the sales and picking a game to have waiting for me when I get home, like you said, grab the controller and by the time I'm sitting down the TV is on, the soundbar kicks in and the PS5 is booted and ready to play, you just can't bate that ease of use..I haven't watched the video but for years I was all about PC gaming. I pretty much built 3 PCs from from 2010-2018 probably spending over £5000. Though I always had the consoles I mainly played on PC and enjoyed all the tinkering and freedom to push graphics.
Cut to today and although I still have a PC (rtx 2080) I almost always game on PS5 nowadays. The last game I bought on PC was starfield and it was a mess and just crashed and ran like shit. Everytime I do boot up a game on pc it always has some weird problem that I have to spend half an hour researching on Google.
I feel like graphics have got pretty good on consoles and with a nice HDR OLED VRR they can look great. And I just want to sit down and play a game as easy as possible.
Being able to buy a PS5 game on my phone at work and start the download remotely is great. Get home and press the PS button and it turns on my PS5, Surround sound and TV and I'm gaming in seconds with HDR and 3d Atmos sound
As for my laptop, it's a work laptop fairly decent Alienware but I can't be arsed bringing a controller into work and back for those 30min sessions at lunchtime nor can I be arsed lugging it home and plugging it into the TV for a minimal if even upgrade over the PS5 in the graphics department only to pack it all up in the morning again.
Granted if Sony started releasing day and date Playstation Studio games on PC then i might consider forgoing a PS6 and getting a more permanent small form factor PC to sit under the telly, as it stands I prefer the Sony Studio games over all else tbf and currently can't justify a mega expensive graphics card to just play at higher resolutions and frame rates, every game looks great from couch distance on my OLED.
As it stands and for the foreseeable the Playstation is the defacto target for the majority of games I like so we're not gonna see lots of big AAA games fully utilizing a 4090 to a point where it's a generational leap visually over a PS5
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I was referring to headphones also being a option because of your toslink limitations.
buenoblue
Member
Yeah I'm just lying aren't I for the giggles.
Just look up PCgamingwiki. If you can find me any game on there that doesn't have some weird problem then I'd like to see it.
And I still have a 2080 and 5600x lol. That's not 16 years old
And PC games are more fucked than ever latley
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Like limited to 720p 50fps like FFXVI?
Kerotan
Member
I'm a closet nerd so what.Sorry to tell you that you are a nerd you post on a gaming forum
BigLee74
Member
This forum is full of people complaining about hitching, stuttering and driver issues. I didn’t pull that out of my backside you know
I also still have a PC that suffered all those problems back when it was viable for gaming a few years ago.
Nah, been there done that. So much less hassle gaming on a console, and I can do it in the comfort of my living room on a big tv. No regrets here!
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
One thing most pc enthusiasts misunderstand is that a lot of people are ok with playing games 20-40fps, so they always act like $1000 PC is the bare minimum. You can always build a computer starting with a integrated GPU and later upgrade if it doesn't fit your needs(that's what I did)
There is also gaming laptop if don't want to do any thinkering to play games.
For me, it's more about the type of games. Strategy games, MMOs, survival and fps just work better one PC, with keyboard and mouse and a complex HUD. Racing, third person, fighting, platformers just play better on console.
Also, PC online gamers have to dry with way more hackers.
There is also gaming laptop if don't want to do any thinkering to play games.
For me, it's more about the type of games. Strategy games, MMOs, survival and fps just work better one PC, with keyboard and mouse and a complex HUD. Racing, third person, fighting, platformers just play better on console.
Also, PC online gamers have to dry with way more hackers.
SoloCamo
Member
Yeah I'm just lying aren't I for the giggles.
Just look up PCgamingwiki. If you can find me any game on there that doesn't have some weird problem then I'd like to see it.
And I still have a 2080 and 5600x lol. That's not 16 years old
And PC games are more fucked than ever latley
I don't think some of you realize how easy pc gaming is now. I had many more problems in the early days and the "major" issues you all seem to run into now are a joke in comparison. Also the quoted post I was referring to literally said.....
Bolded for emphasis.
The real question is this -
-Are you sure it's the game and not your system?
-Are you sure your memory is actually stable?
-Do you actually check gpu/cpu usage during said events?
-What background tasks are you running?
-Are you overclocked, and are you sure it's actually stable? I've had times where 10mhz on a gpu makes or breaks a random game.
-Do you have crappy RGB software causing problems (looking at you Asus) or an AV program that doesn't play nice?
-Do you have a proper PSU able to handle power spikes?
There are so many basic things overlooked. I know that seems like a lot of work to some of you, but it's really not. Obviously there are plenty of broken games, and don't think for one minute that consoles are spared here.
This forum is full of people complaining about hitching, stuttering and driver issues. I didn’t pull that out of my backside you know
I also still have a PC that suffered all those problems back when it was viable for gaming a few years ago.
Nah, been there done that. So much less hassle gaming on a console, and I can do it in the comfort of my living room on a big tv. No regrets here!
See above. I also have another PC in my ... *gasp* living room attached to a 60" 4k TV and not only that, it has a controller! Now to really blow your mind, the driver I'm running is over a year old on my gpu and it has zero issues!
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
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kungfuian
Member
The consoles lack of good VR support is why steam gets most of my money. PlayStation has kind of supported it but with this new kit they've provided next to no first party stuff so pretty lame on their end.
Of course playing on a high-end PC is very expensive so I don't expect many other people would want to fork over the money required to run the highest end VR games. We're a pretty niche market.
As far as 2D standard games I don't think the PC's that much better than say a PlayStation 5 to warrant the extra money. There's pluses and minuses for sure but you get a lot more bang for your buck with a console imo.
Of course playing on a high-end PC is very expensive so I don't expect many other people would want to fork over the money required to run the highest end VR games. We're a pretty niche market.
As far as 2D standard games I don't think the PC's that much better than say a PlayStation 5 to warrant the extra money. There's pluses and minuses for sure but you get a lot more bang for your buck with a console imo.
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hououinkyouma00
Member
If Battlefield has M/KB support on PC I would do PS/Nintendo only honestly.
I love PC gaming, and I’ve been doing it since the late 90s when I was single digit age but the way I play nowadays the platform doesn’t matter really and I usually gravitate towards the simplicity of console.
I also work in tech in a capacity where I repair computers but also have to teach people how to use products and you would be surprised how dumb people are and how tired of technology you can get.
I love PC gaming, and I’ve been doing it since the late 90s when I was single digit age but the way I play nowadays the platform doesn’t matter really and I usually gravitate towards the simplicity of console.
I also work in tech in a capacity where I repair computers but also have to teach people how to use products and you would be surprised how dumb people are and how tired of technology you can get.
bitbydeath
Member
That’s a Mac.Currently waiting for PC2 to switch over.
DaleinCalgary
Member
Bleh.
Console vs PC is old, out dated and petty. I'm old, during engineering school I built PC's for others, made some money doing it and loved it. Now I just want shit to work as I'm tired of fixing bugs with hardware. I hate windows as I think it could be the worst thing to happen to humanity, really it is.
Today I use Mac's and consoles and suffer a bit at work with windows but my life is better. I don't need the best of the best and that extra fps and fidelity means squat to me.
But choose what you want as I get the rush of PC's but they are not for me anymore. I can now afford whatever I want without blinking an eye at a 5k PC but give me a PS5 any day.
Console vs PC is old, out dated and petty. I'm old, during engineering school I built PC's for others, made some money doing it and loved it. Now I just want shit to work as I'm tired of fixing bugs with hardware. I hate windows as I think it could be the worst thing to happen to humanity, really it is.
Today I use Mac's and consoles and suffer a bit at work with windows but my life is better. I don't need the best of the best and that extra fps and fidelity means squat to me.
But choose what you want as I get the rush of PC's but they are not for me anymore. I can now afford whatever I want without blinking an eye at a 5k PC but give me a PS5 any day.
Kataploom
Gold Member
You could also be playing PC exclusive games lol, I know people that play pretty much all the time on their laptop games like LoL or WoW which as of now don't have console versions
Kataploom
Gold Member
That's PC -1 to me lolThat’s a Mac.
Pegasus Actual
Member
Hey man fuck off this hits a little too close to home.Let's not even mention the usual cabling situation
(honestly it applies to my console setup too)
twilo99
Member
It’s a rather weak excuse and I really see no real reason for a modern entertainment machine like the PS5 to not have a web browser in the year 2024 ..
LordBritish
Member
been playing PC more lately.... depends on the game really
Fredrik
Member
Have you tried google on it? Don’t give up on it, it should work:
PC(HDMI) > (HDMI)TV(Optical) > (Optical)AVR
I just think it’ll automatically downstep to DD5.1 after the optical connection.
Some good thought in there.
No master race just play where you like
That falcon rig, you usually pay extra grand for that, if you are okay with 1k chassis then go for it.
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BigLee74
Member
is this a test? I’ll humour you…
Post in thread 'Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III | Review Thread'
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-iii-review-thread.1663096/post-269060472
buenoblue
Member
Dude are you serious
I say there is to much messing about on PC and I can turn on my whole setup in seconds and be gaming on PS5.And your response is to give a list of 10 things I need to spend hours troubleshooting
. Like really I don't wanna spend hours fiddling with shit
My PC is hooked up to my QD OLED. I've had a PC hooked up to my TV for 18 years lol.
Let me ask you have you ever played on a PS5 hooked up to a 65inch QD OLED and 10 speaker Atmos sound system, that you can turn on and off from the controller?
Because Ive played thousands of hours on both PC and consoles and the current gen console experience is pretty great.
I still use my PC for VR and emulation and Its great having access to a huge back catalogue spanning decades but believe me it's gets hard to keep up with the upgrades and certain problems you run into when PC gaming.
Yes you can get a better graphical experience from PC no doubt, but I could afford to get a sports car that goes 200 mph but I choose just to get around in comfort and economy because it's just easier
Team Andromeda
Member
Why do you need to ditch one? This sort of stupid warning mentally I've never understood.
I use a combination of different systems and while the humble console is my main focus I don't just use only one make of console either and will game on 'rival' consoles and also on the PC for stuff like Arma
I use a combination of different systems and while the humble console is my main focus I don't just use only one make of console either and will game on 'rival' consoles and also on the PC for stuff like Arma
Sentenza
Member
Yeah, it will never NOT be hilarious, incidentally.This forum is full of people complaining about hitching, stuttering and driver issues. I didn’t pull that out of my backside you know
Recent example:
"OMG, Dragon's Dogma 2 drops below 60 fps in the capital on PC and some effects are a bit too demanding.
I'm so much better playing this on consoles where it struggles to keep 30 fps and I have no control whatsoever over its settings, SOMEHOW".
Kerotan
Member
I have a life and have no intention of playing those games. There's not actually a pc exclusive game I'd buy except age of mythology which outside of Giants Citizen Kabuto is the only game I liked on pc. Actually the sum of all fears was good too.
But the new age of mythology is coming to Xbox so will probably end up on playstation at some point.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
Midn1ght
Member
I love PC gaming but I'm in the exact same situation.
I have a 11600k with a 3060 Ti and upgrading my PC would mean new mobo, new CPU, new GPU and possibly new PSU. Even if I sell my current parts, I'll probably have to spend over a grand just to upgrade. A Pro console at 600€ is appealing of course, what's hard is to move away from the curated 400 games Steam library I built in the last 11 years and my Steam profile. There's also the paid online fee on console that I hate. So yeah, decision, decision...
PC gaming is great but price for hardware is what suck the most currently.
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Zathalus
Member
I've said stick to which platform you prefer but some of the "arguments" against PC gaming in this thread are getting pretty silly.
With those specs all you need to do is buy a 4070 Super and your PC will outperform the PS5 Pro in basically everything for the next 4 years. No real reason to upgrade the rest unless you really want to.
Midn1ght
Member
wouldn't my 11600k be a bottleneck for a 4070 super?
Zathalus
Member
It's a pretty powerful 6/12 CPU, it shouldn't be a issue up to 60fps. It's certainly more powerful then the CPU in the PS5 Pro for example. You can upgrade to a 11700 (8 cores) for just over 200 euro if you really want to, but for the vast majority of games it shouldn't really be a problem.
BigLee74
Member
No need to be a dick about it. You’re not speaking to the uninitiated.
I am well aware of the advantages that PCs bring over consoles, just like I am well aware of the advantages that consoles bring over PCs. We all have our preferences.
Lagspike_exe
Member
PC was appealing to me historically mid-gen when the consoles started showing their limitations. However, with these mid-gen refreshes, along with generally a slower pace of PC improvement, I am sticking with PS5. I'll upgrade at the end of the year to a Pro which will probably cost me $200-$300 and I will be set until PS6 comes out.
nemiroff
Gold Member
I don't get any of this. What a rambling mess.Dude are you serious
And your response is to give a list of 10 things I need to spend hours troubleshooting
I don't wanna spend hours fiddling with shit
My PC is hooked up to my QD OLED. I've had a PC hooked up to my TV for 18 years lol.
Let me ask you have you ever played on a PS5 hooked up to a 65inch QD OLED and 10 speaker Atmos sound system, that you can turn on and off from the controller?
Because Ive played thousands of hours on both PC and consoles and the current gen console experience is pretty great.
I still use my PC for VR and emulation and Its great having access to a huge back catalogue spanning decades but believe me it's gets hard to keep up with the upgrades and certain problems you run into when PC gaming.
Yes you can get a better graphical experience from PC no doubt, but I could afford to get a sports car that goes 200 mph but I choose just to get around in comfort and economy because it's just easier
Dirk Benedict
Member
How dare you even type "ditch PC" if anything, I can see a boring fucking future where everyone has the same powerful, small, all in one-ish device. Might be something like a steam deck-pipboy type thing? Man...
Cyberpunk launcher, just like Witcher 3 (they're basically the same) works for me with the controller. Hitman i don't know, those two definetely do with the Xone controller.Hitman 3 has its own launcher, button prompts don't work. Gotta pull out a keyboard. Same with Cyberpunk, BG3, etc.
I'm not saying you need a PhD to do this but using a PC the same way you use a console is a lot more complex than people are giving it credit for. And I use a gaming PC ALL THE TIME to game and have a masters in Computer Science.
The way I see it, you get out what you put in. PC gaming is a lot more work but if you put in the work the end result is a generation or two above console. But you do have to work to get there.
Topher
Gold Member
This forum is full of people complaining about hitching, stuttering and driver issues. I didn’t pull that out of my backside you know
lol.......the vast majority of that is console gamers telling PC gamers that they have "hitching, stuttering and driver issues".
And one post ain't an example of a forum "full" of people supposedly having problems with drivers. Consoles have problems as well....
Drama - Community - Platform - New Xbox System Update Aims to Resolve Baldur’s Gate 3 Save Game Issues But Players Still Report Issues
As reported last month, numerous Xbox players have been reporting game crashes as well as save data loss while playing Larian's Baldur's Gate 3 on their platforms. Larian released a minor update that addresses some of the crashing issues but referred to an Xbox firmware update for disappearing...
tusharngf
Member
i got PRO for that same reason back then.
lordrand11
Member
Sony blocked browser access except through game(s) due to the console hackability that was possible in the PS4's browser. Basically, they don't know how to lock their shit down good enough for it not to be opened up.
BigLee74
Member
Topher
, you’re better than that. I didn’t say it was full of driver issues, I said it was full of people complaining about stuttering, hitching and driver issues.And at no point did I say that consoles were perfect. You appear to be creating arguments that don’t exist.
Enjoy your PC, seriously. It’s just no longer for me, for a multitude of reasons - maintenance being only one!
SoloCamo
Member
I was expecting this response. That said, it's a one and done thing. Overclocking is not a requirement so you obviously can rule that out. You can also run memory at default speeds (no xmp) to guarantee stability outside of a faulty hardware (yes, even the PS5 can have faulty hardware, QA isn't perfect).
Any of the suggested things can be run with zero interaction from you overnight. Run a benchmark loop and check it in the morning. Run a memtest, check it in the morning. Once done, it's done.
Regarding your experience with PS5 and the OLED TV and sound system that can be done better on pc so I'm not sure your point there unless your selling point is you don't have to walk all of five feet to turn the pc on.
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