Lysandros
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Series X|S Parity Clause Changed: BG3 coming to Xbox this year, no split screen coop for Series S
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Zheph
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Cyberpunkd
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Sony was heavily implying that load times and gameplay experiences would be impossible without the power of PS5 SSD. The game used the most to showcase that was Ratchet & Clank that launched on PC….without requiring an SSD drive at all, let alone a special one.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
It's terrible when you consider this good PR lolWell fuck me, Microsoft, you gone done a goodie.
Now just drop the whole stupid ass Series S thing completely, and make me glad I bought a Series X again.
….start with letting Starfield have 60fps on X.
And yeah it is terrible. That's the stage of affairs at Xbox these days when they don't know how to run their gaming business.
jm89
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I don't think they said it would be impossible.
Also Ranchet and clank load times are dreadful between rifts without an ssd.
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Portugeezer
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I watched some DF videos and they're pretty adamant the game would not be possible on the PS4.
I don't feel like going back to watch some old developer interview to see the context weather it was a PS4 comparison or overall. If you could provide context that'd be great.
Topher
Gold Member
All of that was before tech like Direct Storage and RTX IO was available on PC. I don't think they ever suggested that only the technology behind PS5 SSD would ever be able to accomplish this. They were saying they couldn't do it on PS4 where none of this tech was available.
twilo99
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By getting to play earlier?
The rest of this potential doom and gloom is all hypothetical.
The s is my only console and this whole thing is a non issue for me.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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THE DUCK
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Your missing the point completely, if there was no series S, ms sales of series consoles would be even worse, like 3:1 or even 4:1 to ps5.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The series S is a POS in 2023 and beyond. Glad MS is finally recognizing their mistake in trying to disrupt the industry. Gamescom Q&As, social media trends and dev rumblings worked when you're not the market leader but want to still carry the hubris. Humbling, this.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They kinda did
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart creative director discusses PS5 advantages
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart creative director Marcus Smith has shared more information about how the newly announced game utilizes the power of PlayStation 5’s SSD, DualSense wireless co…
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Don't worry, the sales splits will still have you thinking it's an "exclusive."
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Per DF, HDD R&C runs abysmal with lowest possible targets and long load times that sucks all the magic. Pregnancy test can run DOOM too, but is it playable?
Topher
Gold Member
They kinda did
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart creative director discusses PS5 advantages
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart creative director Marcus Smith has shared more information about how the newly announced game utilizes the power of PlayStation 5’s SSD, DualSense wireless co…
No, that quote is taken out of context by damn near everyone, even me for a while. In the video, right before that quote he clearly says "this is something we never could have done on previous generations". So no....he wasn't saying this could never be done by any other tech than PS5 ever. Prior generations didn't have any of this tech and that's what he was talking about.
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Jibran#one
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Series s should be a 150 max 200 dollar system for people who can't afford a 500 dollar machine
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm not sure it's quite out of context. This is the entire segment.
The "We couldn't do it in previous generations" is about the amount of enemies, effects etc that the previous gen wouldn't be able to do, at least that's what it reads like to me.
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Slicker than your average
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This is all MS fault bro. Trying to be clever and cute by releasing a bottom tier console to beat sony on price thinking it would win them the gen. Instead of focusing on what their customers actually wanted.
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ShaiKhulud1989
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Also, about split-screen. I always play split-screen with my wife. Diablo 3, DoS2 was a ton of quality family time together. If BG3 kept this feature, it's beause Larian saw in their internal stats that it's sought for. Especially if we speak about tabletop-like game, where people usually scream, laugh and dring in one room.
Topher
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Dr. Wilkinson
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Where does it say the parity clause has been changed? This sounds like a one-off exception that Phil personally approved. Due to all the bad press about the BG3 delay on Xbox.
I’m not seeing any mention anywhere at all on the actual parity clause changing, for all Series developers. Do you have a source?
I’m not seeing any mention anywhere at all on the actual parity clause changing, for all Series developers. Do you have a source?
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DeepEnigma
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SonyToo!Pretend Phil Spencer is saying it and then it will become clear.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Oh, it will open a can of worms alright. You'd be pretty naive to believe otherwise.
avin
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Fixing his own mistakes.
And so much better than persisting in error. This is a good thing.
avin
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PeteBull
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Actions have consequences, MS fucked themselfs/their console many times over so ofc instead of praising MAUs ppl check sales, as any1 sane should, somehow nintendo got no problems with sales of their very weak/outdated handheld tech based switch, but for that u gotta have top quality of exclusives instead of gamepass, its a trade off, one company banked on gamepass, other one banked on top quality exclusives as it was always proven strategy that worked well
MatrixReloaded101
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Last gen, Xbox released like 4 different Xbox one models. If they can do a Series X all digital and get the price to like $350, I can see this replacing the Series S.
The series s only exist because it’s cheap, if they can make another cheap alternative I think they will replace it.
Interfectum
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You think MS is going to deny other exceptions after this very public change? It's not good business to give special privileges to certain developers over others.
MisterXDTV
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StealthGoblin
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It makes sense to drop the clause. They can’t cut Series S off altogether as it’s the majority of their installed base. What we’ll see are more and more moves to keep it on life support as time goes on.
Gambit2483
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I'd rather they admit it and fix the situation moving forward than to just ignore it or pretend the issue doesn't exist.
This is great news and one step closer to the Series X living up to its full potential.
StereoVsn
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I don't think it's a POS even in 2023 if it was priced right. XSS at $200-250 is a great device that can be main streaming box, play whole Xbox library, stream games form the cloud, etc... Couple that with Game pass and it's a great kids gaming device.
It just can't have feature party clause with XSX or the insane $350 price MS is about to start pushing. At $350 it is indeed a POS.
StereoVsn
Member
They could deny but man, that would be a total PR fiasco.
This is bad news, I don't understand how it can be good news for the brand. It might be good news for you, but as a brand this is basically burying it deeper in poop.
They are basically going to fracture their user base, and now would sorta have to cater to two different user bases. So companies will now dump whatever on Series S maybe unoptimized, maybe just to get it running (let's say 720p, and bye Felicia), while Series X will get the actual game.
This Xbox brand just keeps hurting. At first I thought why didn't they call Game Pass, Xpass or something (without the porn ref), but now it's good that they can separate it from their nose diving brand.
Dr. Wilkinson
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That’s fine. My point is more that the thread title specifically says the parity clause has been changed. And I’m saying all we know about what is what Larian said about one game after one meeting. We don’t actually have any official communication or comment from Msoft that the clause has been altered.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think it means your save / profile will carry over between devices, so you can use the same character and progression on PC and Xbox.
twilo99
Member
Of course, but making a cheap alternative is very difficult, which is exactly why we have the xss where compromises had to be made to meet that price point.
A digital xsx would probably be $50-60 dollars cheaper?
Interfectum
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Hey man, just trying to stay modern with the high drama thread titles. I need them clicks and likes to feel good.
twilo99
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Not only between Xbox devices but between PC steam and Xbox..
Interfectum
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For the Xbox fans out there:
lostinblue
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They've been doing that for years on the Switch.
It's a lower spec console, soon enough Digital Foundry will be using the "MIRACLE PORT" theme on articles about it.
Regardless, I don't give two rats ass about coop, and it's only normal that some parity can be ignored on a case by case basis. You're paying less, I'm not sure who would be upset with some features not being possible on the weakest denominator, as long as the base game can cope.
Dr. Wilkinson
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Hey man, just trying to stay modern with the high drama thread titles. I need them clicks and likes to feel good.
Super lame and misleading. But ok I guess! I don’t make the rules around here
Interfectum
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Considering none of us have actually seen the parity clause document and have gone off of developer information and opinions anyway, I'm not sure what's misleading here. They made an exception for Larian which means their policy has changed. There are no public one-offs.
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SkylineRKR
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Digital PS5 is 100 cheaper, so XSX could in theory have done the same thing. And the PS5 DE is much better value proposition; its bonafide current-gen, bigger SSD. Sony isn't going to face parity issues when developing a game.
Because MS is stuck with XSS, even if they discontinue it in the near future. They can't abandon development for it and they can't gimp games too hard. They need to continue to consider it when developing games. There is a userbase of millions of XSS users out there, and its supposed to be a tandem with XSX. Discontinue software for it would kill them on the spot.