kingfey
Banned
When do you think, the production of playable state for Starfield started?
Because in 2018, Tod himself clearly stated, that they had playable version.
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Because in 2018, Tod himself clearly stated, that they had playable version.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
What do you think a playable version means?
The Pleasure
Member
God damn ems memoryFiddeling those knobs to get it running on XSS...
kingfey
Banned
First playable[edit]
The first playable is the game version containing representative gameplay and assets,[154] this is the first version with functional major gameplay elements.[155] It is often based on the prototype created in pre-production.[156] Alpha and first playable are sometimes used to refer to a single milestone, however large projects require first playable before feature complete alpha.[155] First playable occurs 12 to 18 months before code release. It is sometimes referred to as the "Pre-Alpha" stage.[158]Alpha[edit]
See also: Alpha releaseAlpha is the stage when key gameplay functionality is implemented, and assets are partially finished.[158] A game in alpha is feature complete, that is, game is playable and contains all the major features.[159] These features may be further revised based on testing and feedback.[158] Additional small, new features may be added, similarly planned, but unimplemented features may be dropped.[159] Programmers focus mainly on finishing the codebase, rather than implementing additions.[157]
Video game development - Wikipedia
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
I wasn't asking for a wiki link i was asking you, but we'll go with thatFirst playable[edit]
The first playable is the game version containing representative gameplay and assets,[154] this is the first version with functional major gameplay elements.[155] It is often based on the prototype created in pre-production.[156] Alpha and first playable are sometimes used to refer to a single milestone, however large projects require first playable before feature complete alpha.[155] First playable occurs 12 to 18 months before code release. It is sometimes referred to as the "Pre-Alpha" stage.[158]
Alpha[edit]
See also: Alpha release
Alpha is the stage when key gameplay functionality is implemented, and assets are partially finished.[158] A game in alpha is feature complete, that is, game is playable and contains all the major features.[159] These features may be further revised based on testing and feedback.[158] Additional small, new features may be added, similarly planned, but unimplemented features may be dropped.[159] Programmers focus mainly on finishing the codebase, rather than implementing additions.[157]
Video game development - Wikipedia
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Do you think it makes sense for most of maryland to have worked on Starfield since 2015 and only have a prototype with representitive gameplay three years later?
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killatopak
Gold Member
Cyberpunk entered polishing phase in 2018. It was said you could play it from start to finish.
Cyberpunk had a playable state from as far back as 2013. Playable state means nothing in terms of actual polish especially in the case of Bethesda.
People should put their expectations in check in terms of how polished the game would be. I don’t trust Bethesda at all in that sense but I trust the modders to do the work.
Bethesda fans like me buy their games knowing it will be littered with bugs and it should be no different if you even remotely plan to buy their games in the future. It’s a feature.
Cyberpunk had a playable state from as far back as 2013. Playable state means nothing in terms of actual polish especially in the case of Bethesda.
People should put their expectations in check in terms of how polished the game would be. I don’t trust Bethesda at all in that sense but I trust the modders to do the work.
Bethesda fans like me buy their games knowing it will be littered with bugs and it should be no different if you even remotely plan to buy their games in the future. It’s a feature.
ManaByte
Gold Member
PC version of Cyberpunk was completely playable at launch.
killatopak
Gold Member
Well every Bethesda game was also completely playable on PC at launch. That doesn’t mean it’s not littered with bugs.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Most of the vitriol directed at Cyberpunk was because it wouldn't run on 2013 Jaguar CPU consoles.
kingfey
Banned
New IP isnt just using past assets. You work on ideas, art. That process alone takes 6 months-2 years, before starting the code. Then you have the code for the playable version.
After fallout 4, bethesda maryland worked on Skyrim special edition. Started the creation engine 2, had the work for starfield, and fallout 76, with Battlecry( Bethesda Austin). That was 3 years between the fallout 4 release date and fallout 76
kingfey
Banned
It had missing content.
The game was 70% complete, before cdpr management pushed for the release of the game.
Grumpy Toe Nail
Banned
Think they'll care about how good it is overall, pretty much every bethesda RPG game has been buggy but are still GoTY contenders so i doubt they'll care either way tbh.
killatopak
Gold Member
I wouldn’t say it wouldn’t run as it clearly did. I even finished the game on these 2013 Jaguar CPUs.
I would say that the bugs it had clearly had more impact to the general gameplay than say Skyrim did. Cyberpunk bugs were very frequent and obvious at the beginning while Skyrim bugs for me were sometimes just as worse but it became more apparent the longer you play the game but very subtle in the beginning. Both had gamebreaking bugs that I personally experienced like save game bloat which both had.
One thing I always experienced in Bethesda games at launch is that their games are 10/10 the first 20-30 hours of the game. I encounter a huge bug that puts me off the game. Then I just stop playing and wait for their patches so I can continue that 10/10 experience.
Cyberpunk on the other hand, for me, was a good experience but I probably got a hundred glitches and bugs on average in my first 30 hours. The problem was those bugs were very obvious.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Rivet, Ezekiel and TaiLopezFan giving Jason Schreier thumbs up emojis... The hopium is real
sircaw
Banned
You do realize that you just made a borg easter-egg to be found on some distant planet yerSame here. i expect higher geometric detail, and some other refined visual effects, likely more light sources, object density.
I expect the game to play like fallout 4 but with space craft.
It gives me vibes of what pre warp earth was like in star trek first contact.
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
That would be amazing.You do realize that you just made a borg easter-egg to be found on some distant planet yer
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Todd Howard confirmed that Starfield began development immediately after Fallout 4 in a much more recent interview. I'm not disagreeing with you, but full production just represents a different phase of development, but actual development began immediately after Fallout 4 according to Howard.
oldergamer
Member
People keep forgetting how sony tried to moneyhat starfield to be a PS5 exclusive. It's coming later this year. Didn't they announce a date of November already?
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Also folks, do not doubt the size of this game. Todd Howard is confidently saying it's far larger than Skyrim and Fallout 76 apparently. Seems unthinkable, I know, but I really do believe we are looking at a far more ambitious and more massive game than we are all expecting. Todd Howard has described it as Skyrim in space verbatim, and he has gone on record about the raw size of the game.
I suspect they're taking aspects of this game a lot further than many of us are thinking. I know it's really cliche to say this, but this really and truly could end up being their biggest and most ambitious game ever.
I suspect they're taking aspects of this game a lot further than many of us are thinking. I know it's really cliche to say this, but this really and truly could end up being their biggest and most ambitious game ever.
kingfey
Banned
Skyrim was grounded. Starfield isn't. You have tons of planets to discover, which means the game is much bigger.
With mods, the game would be massive.
The thing that held skyrim was the lore. Starfield is on alien planets. Modders aren't constrained by the starfield world, compared to skyrim.
recursive
Member
I can't wait for the bethesda 23fps jank.
With that said I am eager to hear what the fps targets will be on console.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
To me these guys have never made a game that wasn't amazing, which is why I feel so good about this. The types of games they've made I've found that as I get older I'm appreciating more and more.
Halo is Back
Member
I thought Fallout 4 and Skyrim had an acceptable level of bugs. What they really need to improve on is thier NPC AI systems. It's Bethesda game studios though, and I will be there on day one regardless.
Halo is Back
Member
Using Metacritic is pointless for Cyberpunk. The fact that the game even got an 86 on PC is fucking laughable for how broken it was.
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SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
I'm not the one that brought up metacritic scores, though.
I also thought Cyberpunk on PC was a very good game, so...
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Not a fan of Bethesda but this is why I am excited for Starfield as Sony saw something with this.
remember_spinal
Banned
Sony saw something in Babylon’s fall also
Halo is Back
Member
But you tried to discredit his argument by using Metacritic lmao. If you liked the game that is your personal opinion but let's not play pretend fantasy land. CP looked and ran better on PC but it still had the same buggy code on launch and had all of the same core issues. Everyone who gave thier opinion on CP who played it on PC still said it was a buggy mess of a game on launch.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
And I see it as well.
PropellerEar
Member
Lame bait & shit post.I gotta love this whole gang who so love to project themselves on others. They are literally on a thread about a game in a platform they don't care about, calling others trolls. And I guess lick each others wounds.
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Lame bait & shit post.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Being with MS should change this. No way it'll be the same as it was back in the day.
Fredrik
Member
It’s a new IP and universe, they’ve been working on it far longer than that. Todd said they had worked a few years on it once they trademarked the name Starfield in 2013, prototyping and paper work I would guess, small core team. It’s a big studio, people has moved in and out and later the team grew as people has been freed up from other projects. Starfield has been in active development at Maryland since after Fallout 4 in 2015 which is when I assume they had a clear vision of what they should do so a bigger part of the studio jumps in on it. FO76 was there too as a collaboration project with former Battlecry and people has also been working on The Elder Scrolls VI as well in Maryland, possibly the bigger part of the studio right now if Starfield is in the polishing state.
Might as well claim GTA V and RDR 2 must have had terrible engines since they couldn’t make them in the same 2 years Ubisoft uses for Assassins creed games.
Also, Elden Ring took 5 years to make. You gonna claim it’s terrible management too and a ‘bad engine’, since they couldn’t do it in Ubisoft’s 2 year cadence ?
Chukhopops
Member
There’s barely any interaction with the world in recent Ubi games though, barely any AI scripting or NPC behavior. Just spend 5 mins in a village in AC Odyssey or Valhalla and you’ll see even Oblivion has a more believable and living open world than Ubi games (NPCs following a schedule, reacting to you, etc.).
Warablo
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T0minator
Member
Well considering it was in a playable state in 2018. A 2022 release is seeming likely. It'll 100% be released 4 years after a playable state
remember_spinal
Banned
Well considering it was in a playable state in 2018. A 2022 release is seeming likely. It'll 100% be released 4 years after a playable state
Or 4. Years and 3 months after
T0minator
Member
It doesn't make sense for people to doubt that Starfield is releasing this year. It's coming out this holiday and I can't wait
Salty Popsicle
Banned
The main Bethesda studio headed by Todd Howard is currently the biggest it has ever been in its history, and the number of platforms this game is releasing on is the smallest since Daggerfall back in 1996 when their games were PC exclusive.
More man-power and less platforms = more curated and polished final product.
More man-power and less platforms = more curated and polished final product.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
No, they are not and you should stop generalising.
You started riling people up, you are good at that I grant you that, because you felt you are the thread police on the lookout for infidels and on top of that you just admitted you are not even looking forward to this game which is telling too.
Yoboman
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I gotta love this whole gang who so love to project themselves on others. They are literally on a thread about a game in a platform they don't care about, calling others trolls. And I guess lick each others wounds.
The game is on Xbox and PC, they may care about the game and not the platform and the main derail was started by Concern who just said he does not care about this game.
All because quality control comments were made about a game by a company with a history of …how to say it… jank and glitches too? This is not what has changed, what has changed is people being overprotective, circling their wagon, about one of their own (perceived) as if only the inner circle could criticise it not the invaders you are on the lookout for apparently. This kind of baiting console warriors and always being aggressive against someone not in the inner circle is really not conductive to any worthwhile chat no matter how you want to feel about it. So unwelcoming.
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Yoboman
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As opposed to 3?
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
I know. I've said the game was in pre-production since 2015 at least. That doesn't mean 76 was an Austin-led project though. Most of Maryland was on it and pretty much all the leads in the credits are from Maryland.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Yup. That's what I said. In addiition to that Creation Engine provides that unmatchable feature where each and every object is tracked and kept in the world so when you drop something you can later return and the object will be still there.
kingfey
Banned
That is how Todd works.
First he shows a teaser/trailer. Then talks about the game on the e3 of the release year.
kingfey
Banned
Go play skyrim.
People want exploration game like skyrim om space, and that is what starfield is.
Exploration is what bethesda is good at. Marrowind, oblivion and skyrim.