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The Last of Us Part 1 on PC; another casualty added to the list of bad ports?
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little big planet is a crossgen game and returnal isnt a graphics whore like last of us 1... none of those games require 16gb memory budgets or heavy decompression
Madserb2023
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I just don't understand what's going on here. My 3070 runs the game worse than the PS5. There has to be some major ram wastage going on here.
Skifi28
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Someone report ND for blackface, game will be fixed within 15 minutes.
Black Joel
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Guilty_AI
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now you're just talking out of your duck balls. Neither of us has any clue about the precise development details of either one to be able to say any of this.
What we do know is that iron galaxy botched ports before, that this game doesn't do anything extraordinary in game terms (linear, not many enemies/npcs on screen, small levels, etc) and that this still works poorly even on lower settings. Don't try to blame pc architecture here, its clearly a shitty port and thats all there is to it.
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SolidQ
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ChiefDada
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Black Joel
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I'm actually digging the cell shaded look in the first pic.
Guilty_AI
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And how do we know its using to its fullest or not without looking at the source code? Returnal gloats on its own ps store page how it uses the ps5 streaming architechture to its advantage.
Its a bad port people, an actual bad port and not that dumb stuff i see people complaining about in other releases. Hopefully it'll get fixed.
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onnextflix5
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Lol why would another dev be working on a game with the same engine as this game. Iron Galaxy is working on part two and factions no doubt.
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returnal is a procedural level game it uses more of the same repeated assets on each level and yes anybody who understands computer graphics can tell which one uses more memory, the last of us has more shaders,textures, materials and polygons per scene any blind man can see that... memory has nothing to do with how linear or open world a game is... what matters is what is on screen/ scene...
How do u think games like gta san andreas ran on ps2 with only 32mb ram... doesnt mean the whole world is on memory at once.. it streams and deletes some assets in everytime you move.. to keep the memory budgets... it doesnt mean an open world game uses more ram than a linear one.. even a boxing game can use more meory than an assassins creed game.. coming to this game naughty dog are notorious for pushing hardware to the limit and this game is no exception.. the problem is whenever devs do this and it doesnt work properly on ur fancy pink new pc... u start moaning and crying online on how bad the devs are... its called reality mate stop moaning and accept it.
Gaiff
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It's too bad that Naughty Dog didn't bother with RTX IO or Direct Storage/GPU decompression. They're both available and have been for a while. This would have been an excellent showcase but it seems no one wants to tackle them. Only one game used Direct Storage so far and that was back in January.
So either nobody or me. Why do people think it’s ok to just lie or obfuscate?
DeepEnigma
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It's also not a memory saturation heavy game assets wise. Not all engines are created the same, of course you know this. And yes, ND addressed the port issues.
Just spit-balling with release window timings of the show, etc., but you are probably right. If the game was handed off late in development then IG will probably be working on the port of Part 2 from that transition and engine experience.
ChorizoPicozo
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Black Joel
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DeepEnigma
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Bro, my comment had nothing to do with you. Why are you so weird?
DenchDeckard
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Sony should be absolutely ashamed...and so should Naughty Dog, this is far worse than Assassins creed unity.
Effing embarrassing! Not how they should be treating this game at all.
Effing embarrassing! Not how they should be treating this game at all.
Gaiff
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What's wrong with the God of War port?
xpresstuning
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It's the same everytime. I'd call them delusional fanboys instead of haters. Always chewing on whatever scrap of bones that they can get their hands on. These threads always age like shit. Life goes on. 99% of everything AAA/multiplats/whatever is on desktop PC machines and whatever issues some have due to shitty port jobs by its developers (always blame the dev, not the fucking hardware so you don't look like a completely clueless buffon) get fixed sooner rather than later if the game(s) are good and worth playing.
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Guilty_AI
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Except none of what you said is a certainty. You can have samey-looking scenarios that still require lots of memory and data streaming, 10gb of rock-textures will still be 10gb of data that need streaming.
Again, as long as you don't have the correct detailed knowledge of how those games were developed and ported, your speculation on whats causing these problems don't make any sense.
twilo99
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Guessing we will have to wait on Microsoft games to take advantage of that.. let's see if Forza Motorsport will have it
ok since ur hard headed why dont u load up returnal and read the vram usage vs last of us 1
skit_data
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I personally think GoW is probably bigger in gaming, but with the TLOU show being a runaway success I think it’s fair to say TLOU is their biggest when taking that into account.
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saintjules
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Tell me again why people would rather wait for PC versions to hit?
Guilty_AI
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Neither should be this one in theory, with small levels and little going on on screen. Everything indicates bad bad port. I have no clue why you and others are even trying to argue otherwise when thats clear as day.
Or rather, my initial comment was merely correcting an user saying this was the first ps5 only game port, then you both started to argue unrelated things as if you're trying to prove something.
How about you actually look at benchmarks and see Returnal maxing out vram usage in max settings/same res on different cards with different vram amounts, and still running fine? Its called making good use of available resources, something TLoU port clearly doesn't do. Or rather, it seems there might be even memory leaks in it. Sorry but its becoming increasingly obvious you have no clue how any of this work, so just take the L and drop it.
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SlimySnake
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Gaiff
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Lol always the same trollish bullshit. "$10000 PC to match the PS5".
ricardo_sousa11
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Just noticed the game has already been cracked.
And the cracked version has the patch + other unnoficial fixes...so it runs better than if you'd bought the game LOL
And the cracked version has the patch + other unnoficial fixes...so it runs better than if you'd bought the game LOL
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Kataploom
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So far we have:
- The Medium
- Forspoken
- A Plague Tale Requiem
- Dead Space Remake
- Returnal
And some more I can't remember. This is far from being the first current gen only have on PC, nor even PS5 exclusive ported, btw.
I totally get your point though, I think MS got smart enough by unifying their development environment, I was thinking devs don't care about using SFS, and other stuff on Xbox due to they thinking it's not worth it, considering most copies day 1 are from PS5, but maybe they should start using them alongside DirectStorage on PC due to PC needing to use an the tools for current gen only game, that or keep getting review bombed by day 1 buyers complaining about performance.
returnal maxes out vram because of raytracing the ps5 settings dont include raytracing, you cant just make good use of any depleted resources it is why we have video game generations your cheapvram capaacity is dead and its time to upgrade so stop moaning
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Guilty_AI
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i don't think you understood a single word i said....
Also, 12gb vram here, and i don't even set games beyond 1080p/1440p anyway, so no issues on that end here.
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Thaedolus
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Black Joel
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Kenpachii
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U build and port games around the architecture. There is absolute no reason last of use should use more at max settings then 8gb of v-ram and 16gb of memory. It uses more because the port is just god awful.
At the end of the day the consumer will decide on buying the game or not, and steam reviews will not do sony any favor. And honestly from what i saw on the screen, the v-ram requirement is laughable and they can expect a refund galore because of it.
At the end of the day the consumer will decide on buying the game or not, and steam reviews will not do sony any favor. And honestly from what i saw on the screen, the v-ram requirement is laughable and they can expect a refund galore because of it.
kyliethicc
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yes vram has nothing to do with resolution.. it just seems you dont understand how memory works... just because you run a game at 1080p doesnt mean it uses less vram.. last of us remake is designed for a ps5 it isnt crossgen this means it requires 12gb+ of vram minimum anything less causes problems and this happens every generation... its nothing to do with optmiziation, its not some switch you just dial down and support 8gb. if that was possible then theres no reason for ps5 only games everything will be crossgen all the way to ps3 since you can just dial stuff down.
In any new generation the bottleneck is always memory its why it incrreases with every itteration you can virtually make any ps5 game work on ps4 but the bottleneck will be memory budgets so its why they skip crossgen and go straight up making a ps5 port. this is the same effect on pc .. you have a game designed for 12gb vram requirements and therefore a problem on 8gb cards and its like ur basically trying to fit a 9 inch d in the wrong hole. you will have to lower alot of settings that makes the game worthless for it to run under12gb
Fake
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Sonic Colors Ultimate?
a plague tale was a multiplat designed for pc ps5 and series x, the medium was also a multiplat and that game doesnt require any big memory budgets, dead space is a multiplat, returnal is a ps5 exclusive though it doesnt require much more graphics memory than last of us 1... this is the first nextgen only port that pushed ps5 to the limit that weve seen ported to pc yet.. i dont consider forspoken since the graphics and the memory footprint doesnt correlate
Guilty_AI
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aaaaand you're out.
You could at least bother google searching stuff like "Resolution affects vram".
Lucifers Beard
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Yup. Waiting to see what the 50 series brings, hoping that AMD brings the competition though as I’d buy one of their cards if the price to performance ratio is better value than the Nvidia offering.
not by that much.. textures, physics and lighting affect more vram that some screen resolution.. the more data processed in a scene the more the memory budget a ps5 game at 1080p isnt the same game on a ps4 at 1080p
Gaiff
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I'm sorry but fucking what? Then you have the nerve to tell him that "it seems that you don't know how memory works".
Nice goalpost shifting. You realized how utterly stupid this claim was and now try to toe a line but this is just as idiotic. Yes, VRAM has a lot to do with resolution. It's clear as day you don't have the faintest idea what the hell you're talking about.
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Gaiff
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Like seriously lmao. That's the most ignorant take I've seen on this forum and god knows there are more than you can count.
"vram has nothing to do with resolution"
I have no word for this.
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Thaedolus
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You need to take the L and move on bubba
Person on the left is having a much better overall experience on 99% of games though lol
The Cockatrice
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So anyway, think we're going to get The Last of Us 2 on PC after all of this? Game no longer shows on top sellers which is INSANE for such a huge name, not on trending either, no banners, nothing. They literally killed their sales with one swoop.
Schmendrick
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You rarely see this much obvious generic bullshit coming from a single source presented with such confidence outside of an AI Chat. This kingyala guy is probably just transcribing chat GPT answers....
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Buggy Loop
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Much like RE4, injecting DLSS in Last of US shows us what we're missing
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