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Trump Advisor on climate: "Science has gotten a lot wrong in our 5,500 year history"

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WillyFive

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darklin0 said:
"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed, preferably using a written, pre-defined, protocol of observations and experiments. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge."

I am posting this because it feels like theory is being interchangeably used with hypothesis when they are not the same thing.
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Yeah, it happens all the time even with scientifically literate co-workers, let alone the general public.
 
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Zeus Molecules

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I feel like he wanted to slip in some "earth is only 5,500" creationism..... but stopped himself at the last second.......


With that said ...... we're fucked
 
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DragonSworne

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The shit he attributes to science was actually from the church and religion. :/

Besides, we didn't even have the scientific method 5 thousand years ago so how exactly did science get it wrong for longer than it has been around?
 
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“There was an overwhelming science that the Earth was flat[...]"
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Actually, the ancient Greeks had already calculated the curvature of the earth to a decent degree of accuracy using shadows cast by the sun. The lack of science is what caused people to continue to believe the world was flat, or five thousand years old, or that voting for Trump is in any way acceptable as a decent human being.
 
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Hermii

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If I remember correctly it was actually religious power who claimed the earth was the center of the universe. And they killed a scientist for contradicting them.
 
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JP_

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Conservative says something wrong about science and then says science is wrong. Good thing we put them in charge of science funding.
 
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koji kabuto

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It seems the 'Science got it wrong' folks think of science as some sort of religious text, That's why they are trying to prove something have changed over time to dismiss science it self.
It's the same approach religious people from different religions background uses against each other, It's fine until they try to apply it to science then it becomes hilarious and sad in the same time.
 
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humansarehorses

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Scientists have gotten plenty wrong. Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich thought that the earth was going to be overpopulated, natural resources would be outstripped and overpopulation would force mass starvation due to an inability to produce enough food. He wanted to impose population restrictions. But what happened? The global population didn't grow anywhere near projections (many countries face below replacement fertility rates) and many input goods, like natural metals, have not become more expensive in real terms because substitutes become more attractive when the costs increase.

Climate scientists abhorred cap-and-trade, and many of them still do, because they couldn't make the simple connection that caps on the quantity of emissions produced would, you know, limit emissions. They were too focused on the trading aspect which has nothing to do with limiting the emissions. Their inability to see the obvious has been to the detriment of preventing climate change.
 
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BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Someone's trolling here. I don't know if it's the advisor himself, Trump enjoying his liberal enemies' tears by putting this dummy in charge, or God himself... someone's having a laugh.
 
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John_B

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What kind of advisors does Trump have on building hotels? Structural integrity is a hoax. We can't really know if Newton was right about gravity.
 
TheRedSnifit

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humansarehorses said:
Scientists have gotten plenty wrong. Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich thought that the earth was going to be overpopulated, natural resources would be outstripped and overpopulation would force mass starvation due to an inability to produce enough food. He wanted to impose population restrictions. But what happened? The global population didn't grow anywhere near projections (many countries face below replacement fertility rates) and many input goods, like natural metals, have not become more expensive in real terms because substitutes are become more attractive when the costs increase.
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Note that Ehrlich's education had nothing to do with what he was talking about.

That's why climate deniers always point to people with engineering degrees, and the like. Because no actual climate scientists argue against global warming.
 
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humansarehorses said:
Scientists have gotten plenty wrong. Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich thought that the earth was going to be overpopulated, natural resources would be outstripped and overpopulation would force mass starvation due to an inability to produce enough food. He wanted to impose population restrictions. But what happened? The global population didn't grow anywhere near projections (many countries face below replacement fertility rates) and many input goods, like natural metals, have not become more expensive in real terms because substitutes become more attractive when the costs increase.

Climate scientists abhorred cap-and-trade, and many of them still do, because they couldn't make the simple connection that caps on the quantity of emissions produced would, you know, limit emissions. They were too focused on the trading aspect which has nothing to do with limiting the emissions. Their inability to see the obvious has been to the detriment of preventing climate change.
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Yes, that's well and good. But we're talking about an outright climate denier, who things neither human history or the universe is any older than 5500 years old.
 
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BocoDragon

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humansarehorses said:
Scientists have gotten plenty wrong. Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich thought that the earth was going to be overpopulated, natural resources would be outstripped and overpopulation would force mass starvation due to an inability to produce enough food. He wanted to impose population restrictions. But what happened? The global population didn't grow anywhere near projections (many countries face below replacement fertility rates) and many input goods, like natural metals, have not become more expensive in real terms because substitutes become more attractive when the costs increase.

Climate scientists abhorred cap-and-trade, and many of them still do, because they couldn't make the simple connection that caps on the quantity of emissions produced would, you know, limit emissions. They were too focused on the trading aspect which has nothing to do with limiting the emissions. Their inability to see the obvious has been to the detriment of preventing climate change.
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Paul Ehrlich wasn't merely a "scientist" in capacity, so much as he was a science pundit writing books for public consumption. He was Bill Nye with a population alarmist agenda.

Not to say that he wasn't a scientist at all. But he certainly didn't speak for the dry findings of "science." Science didn't come up with the wild-eyed theory of "The Population Bomb", Ehrlich did.
 
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JP_

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humansarehorses said:
Scientists have gotten plenty wrong. Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich thought that the earth was going to be overpopulated, natural resources would be outstripped and overpopulation would force mass starvation due to an inability to produce enough food. He wanted to impose population restrictions. But what happened? The global population didn't grow anywhere near projections (many countries face below replacement fertility rates) and many input goods, like natural metals, have not become more expensive in real terms because substitutes become more attractive when the costs increase.

Climate scientists abhorred cap-and-trade, and many of them still do, because they couldn't make the simple connection that caps on the quantity of emissions produced would, you know, limit emissions. They were too focused on the trading aspect which has nothing to do with limiting the emissions. Their inability to see the obvious has been to the detriment of preventing climate change.
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97% of scientists is not the same as Paul Ehrlich
 
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Username1198 said:
If earth is 5500 years old then what killed the dinosaurs?checkmate religious guys
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After using his Immaculate Kung-Fu to defeat the Pharaoh and free the Jews, Moses found the desert to be riddled with dinosaurs upon the Exodus.

After forty years of Moses, the desert was no longer riddled with dinosaurs.
 
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Meus Renaissance said:
Whilst people here cringe and find this indicative of Donald Trump's intellect, I'm reminded by the glaring fact that Americans have elected this man as their next president. Almost 60 million of them thought him to be qualified and intellectually competent enough. We knew his views. We knew what he intended to do, certainly in terms of his cabinet picks.

America elected him, and thus this adviser. People need to start owning this. Thread title should be renamed to 'Advisor to US President....'
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Give me a fucking break dude, or did you miss the part where trump won with less votes than romney lost with? Yes he won, but it's a bit more complicated than just "well you guys voted for him!"

The real problem is that too few voted. Shit isn't helped by people like you coming in and getting all indignant that we're not "owning this" enough. Guess what, I'll never own it, I didn't vote for the piece of shit.
 
Bolivar687

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No one ever really believed the world was flat. That's Anglo-American anti-Catholic propaganda.

The clergy scientists in the Midddle Ages knew the world was round and could even tell you its curcumference.
 
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mo60

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So does this advisor think that what newton, galileo, aristotle and etc have discovered in the last 2000+ years is not correct.
 
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humansarehorses

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BocoDragon said:
Paul Ehrlich wasn't merely a "scientist" in capacity, so much as he was a science pundit writing books for public consumption. He was Bill Nye with a population alarmist agenda.

Not to say that he wasn't a scientist at all. But he certainly didn't speak for the dry findings of "science." Science didn't come up with wild-eyed theory of "The Population Bomb", Ehrlich did.
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"Science" can't come up with anything because it's not sentient. It's a modern day consensus of the work of scientists. Climate science, as it currently is, is a modern day consensus of the work of climate scientists.

Ehrlich is by all means a scientist: he has a PhD in Biology, he's published articles in academic journals and he's a Professor of Biology at one of the most prestigious universities in the entire world. He was also very influential in how other natural scientists thought about conservation whether or not his views were the consensus. And it's insane to think that we could let such moronic people influence our policies and laws.
 
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"Fucking magnets, how do they work? And I don't wanna talk to a scientist, ya'll motherfuckers lying and getting me pissed."

It's all Miracles, bros.
 
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