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[azertydu91]

Typo or some dyslexic wrote this?

Nah they've had a really awesome month of june 2022...I honestly have no idea how you can fuck a sentence this bad.

 

[DaGwaphics]

It should pass it, but I don’t know if it will pass 360 numbers.
Halo and Gears were huge console mover. Xbox’s next big commerial hits are Gears, Doom, Quake, Fallout, Elder scrolls 6. But I don’t think there will be a Fallout 5 or Elder Scrolls 6 by 2025

If Starfield performs anything like Skyrim, that should move units. CoD on GP could move some units as well. Then you have the low priced XSS that becomes a factor at the holidays and could grow more important as the cross-gen phase ends.

 

[phil_t98]

Top PS+ tier is pure shit and a complete shame. I regret not upgrading to just extra.

Deluxe/Premium have being a great disappointment so far. Extra and Essentials have been great.

It also makes no sense that they would care the least about the most expensive tier. That's peak Jim Ryan's Sony.

The other issue is Sony has not been clear when nee PS titles will hit the service. 6 months? A year? They need to be clear about it.

 

[yazenov]

It should pass it, but I don’t know if it will pass 360 numbers.
Halo and Gears were huge console mover. Xbox’s next big commerial hits are Gears, Doom, Quake, Fallout, Elder scrolls 6. But I don’t think there will be a Fallout 5 or Elder Scrolls 6 by 2025

By the time both Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5 comes out, it will be the past midpoint of this generation, 5 years from the Xbox Series launch. It will be too late to change the course of the generation.

Halo and Gears are in a huge sales decline compared to what they were before. they arent strong now. Oh, and Doom and Quake aren't going to move the needle sales-wise.

 

[azertydu91]

Xbox One was also tracking and selling more than 360 during the same time period
So it really doesn’t mean because its tracking ahead now, that it will beat 360 sales. I doubt it will get close, Halo 3 sold buckets for Xbox, its just not the same as those days

And that gen was particularly long moreso for xbox that released a year earlier, maybe a midgen refresh will help.

 

[Stuart360]

If Starfield performs anything like Skyrim, that should move units. CoD on GP could move some units as well. Then you have the low priced XSS that becomes a factor at the holidays and could grow more important as the cross-gen phase ends.

I actually expect XSS sales to go up considerably when Starfield launches, as i suspect quite a few Sony guys will by a XSS, and possibly Gamepass sub, to play it.
Not that anyone will admit it on here.

 

[Kagey K]

The other issue is Sony has not been clear when nee PS titles will hit the service. 6 months? A year? They need to be clear about it.

It'll be whenever the fuck they feel like it. I honestly don't think they have a schedule.

Game selling like shit throw it on ps+, game selling hot keep it off there.

 

[nominedomine]

MS arguably had the better game lineup out of the gate, really for the first 18-24 months. By the time that reversed the war was already over.

Your mistake is assuming that people forget games that released prior to that. Sony had been on a row the past few years and people didn't forget that, during the same E3 where the consoles were being shown Sony just released a little game called TLoU.

It's not like the Xbox One lineup was great it was pretty lackluster as well, Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, Ryse: Son of Rome, etc. Regardless, that's when the Xbox sold best it was all downhill from there once the PS4 games started to show up.

 

[DaGwaphics]

I actually expect XSS sales to go up considerably when Starfield launches, as i suspect quite a few Sony guys will by a XSS, and possibly Gamepass sub, to play it.
Not that anyone will admit it on here.

True. In general, I expect demand for XSS to increase once cross-gen ends and casual users can no longer play new games on X1/PS4.

 

[Topher]

The difference is that in December 2021 (of which those data are more than 12 million) XSeries were all sold, it was even difficult to find XSS.

After 8 months, where in most of them this situation of lack of stock continued, it is very questionable to think that XSeries sold less than 1.8 million worldwide to the consumer.

That is to say, it is like believing that XSeries practically did not sell when in several months of 2021 (especially in the USA, but even in Europe and Japan) it even surpassed PS5 in consumer sales.

I don't know, but I think there is enough basis to question those figures. First of all the fact that Ampere has not been successful on other occasions.

Good points. But where is that 12 million number coming from? If that is what is being referenced by others here then that too is shipped and not sold through. And I guess you have to ask how many units are in transit then. You've got shipping containers of consoles sitting on ships on the sea right now. To MS, every one of those units are "sold". So there is always going to be a discrepancy between the number of units that have left the factory vs the units in customer's hands.

What are you referring to as far as Ampere not being "successful"?

 

[DenchDeckard]

If Ampere is legit that's some interesting info. It seems off compared to what we've heard but who knows?

I thought the series x was higher but there we go.

 

[phil_t98]

It'll be whenever the fuck they feel like it. I honestly don't think they have a schedule.

Game selling like shit throw it on ps+, game selling hot keep it off there.

Not very consumer friendly again though is it

 

[nominedomine]

The other issue is Sony has not been clear when nee PS titles will hit the service. 6 months? A year? They need to be clear about it.

They'll never be clear about that, they want people to buy their games. Some of their older PS4 games are not even in the service and they used to pull out some of their games from PS Now after some time so they could still do that as well.

If you knew for sure that God of War Ragnarok would be on PS+ in a year it would be a lot easier for you to wait but when they don't give you a window you don't know if it's going to be one year, two years, never, so you might as well buy it if you want to play.

 

[phil_t98]

They'll never be clear about that, they want people to buy their games. Some of their older PS4 games are not even in the service and they used to pull out some of their games from PS Now after some time so they could still do that as well.

yeah I have a PS4 and PS+ premium and there are lots of Sonys own games missing off there. some really good games on there to mind you but still not as great Value as gamepass

 

[nominedomine]

yeah I have a PS4 and PS+ premium and there are lots of Sonys own games missing off there. some really good games on there to mind you but still not as great Value as gamepass

They don't even need to beat games pass, they just need to offer enough value so that people will pay. To me it was a no brainer to upgrade to at least Extra.

Premium and Deluxe need to improve a lot, terrible value in comparison to Extra.

Essentials easily beats Live Gold as well, so it's not like Sony is poorly positioned to compete.

 

[Arenafighter]

Which part is BS? Feel free to show me instead of your weak ass comment

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[phil_t98]

They don't even need to beat games pass, they just need to offer enough value so that people will pay. To me it was a no brainer to upgrade to at least Extra.

but when people are looking for a console and have no foot in either then xbox and gamepass more attractive. I paid for the year for PS+ premier but if it doesn't improve over time I don't think I will re sub to the top tier again and will just pay for the live service plus free games . just my opinion though

 

[nominedomine]

By the time both Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5 comes out, it will be the past midpoint of this generation, 5 years from the Xbox Series launch. It will be too late to change the course of the generation.

Halo and Gears are in a huge sales decline compared to what they were before. they arent strong now. Oh, and Doom and Quake aren't going to move the needle sales-wise.

If it takes as long as it took from Fallout 4 to Starfield (8 years) then TES 6 will come out in 2031.

 

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[jm89]

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[Thief1987]

Xbox One was also tracking and selling more than 360 during the same time period
So it really doesn’t mean because its tracking ahead now, that it will beat 360 sales. I doubt it will get close, Halo 3 sold buckets for Xbox, its just not the same as those days

Yeah people tend to forget how much of a boost Kinect was for X360 in the late part of lifecycle. Without it X360 would have been in the same 50+ million ballpark with Xone.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Anything after Xbox One's 10 million shipped (not sold) is a guess. Yeah, official numbers would be nice.



Fair enough, but you still have to take into account shipped (or sold to retailer) vs sold through to customers. That 10 million number for Xbox One was not sold through to customers. The numbers Microsoft used to report were shipped. So Xbox Series X has shipped more than both Xbox One and Xbox 360 had shipped. But Ampere is reporting numbers sold through to customers. So those numbers are not going to line up.

The Neogaf numbers were sold through, so even if they were at 9 million sold through and 10 million shipped, that would still have them over 2.5 million US alone making that 11.5 million, and the rotw making that about 13. Then you have 8 months of sales after that to end up matching where we are with the Xbox Series today in August 2022, with August 2015. That had to be about 1-2 million as well, so I can't see a floor lower than 15 million for the Xbox One even assuming that the 10 million shipped was 1 million off.

Oh you and him are one?
Xbox Series consoles are at 17 million?

Edit: wait are you high?

"i think the real numbers are somewhere between 17-29 million."

That's not what he said, he said this

so they are well past 15 million. I reckon 17-20 million for Series consoles.

17-20, on the lower end is perfectly reasonable. The bottom for Xbox One at this point is 15 million from what I can see, and the Xbox One may have sold better than that. Since the box Series is doing better than Xbox One i can see 17-19 million sold.

 

[Darsxx82]

Good points. I guess you have to ask how many units are in transit then. You've got shipping containers of consoles sitting on ships on the sea right now. To MS, every one of those units are "sold". So there is always going to be a discrepancy between the number of units that have left the factory vs the units in customer's hands.

What are you referring to as far as Ampere not being "successful"?

We are talking about that these figures are supposedly from today sold to the consumer. The figure of 12+ million corresponds to December 2021 when XSX did not exist and XSS was very difficult to find.

In this case it doesn't matter how many XSeries are in stores to be sold TODAY. It is to evaluate the probability that in 8 months they have sold less than 1.8 million to consumers. It is the same as saying that PS5 sold more than double in that same period when all the official sales information in the different markets has said a totally different thing cause PS5 stock problems.

That said, when I say that the figures don't add up, it doesn't mean that the possible error is 3-4 million, as some say out there. I think it would be more for the 1-2 million that would not be reprehensible when It is estimates.
(my bet would be in the margin of 14.5 million being conservative, at 15.8 million being generous).

P.S. Ampere's figures have had to be corrected on many occasions when companies have made their data official. Keep in mind that they do not have access to all markets.
The fact of "questioning" these data is more for reasons of logic previously raised.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

The Neogaf numbers were sold through, so even if they were at 9 million sold through and 10 million shipped, that would still have them over 2.5 million US alone making that 11.5 million, and the rotw making that about 13. Then you have 8 months of sales after that to end up matching where we are with the Xbox Series today in August 2022, with August 2015. That had to be about 1-2 million as well, so I can't see a floor lower than 15 million for the Xbox One even assuming that the 10 million shipped was 1 million off.



That's not what he said, he said this



17-20, on the lower end is perfectly reasonable. The bottom for Xbox One at this point is 15 million from what I can see, and the Xbox One may have sold better than that. Since the box Series is doing better than Xbox One i can see 17-19 million sold.

YOU said in your post what I quoted which was 17-29 million.

 

[Topher]

The Neogaf numbers were sold through, so even if they were at 9 million sold through and 10 million shipped, that would still have them over 2.5 million US alone making that 11.5 million, and the rotw making that about 13. Then you have 8 months of sales after that to end up matching where we are with the Xbox Series today in August 2022, with August 2015. That had to be about 1-2 million as well, so I can't see a floor lower than 15 million for the Xbox One even assuming that the 10 million shipped was 1 million off.

Perhaps. Without knowing what number we are starting at with sold through it just as much if a guess as anything.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Perhaps. Without knowing what number we are starting at with sold through it just as much if a guess as anything.

If the Xbox Series is still outpacing Xbox One than it would have to be over 15 million at least. Sure we won't know the exact number because Microsoft won't give them but we at least have a floor.

 

[Markio128]

How did I miss this compelling sales thread?

 

[fermcr]

Xbox Series selling almost 14 million isn't bad, considering how few console exclusives it has.

 

[Neofire]

https://game-news24.com/2022/08/26/according-to-ampere-analysis-ps5-sold-52-more-than-xbox-x-s/



A lot of people online are discussing this numbers as gospel but they don't really make much ense.

Microsoft CEO and Phil iirc, both confirmed that the Xbox Series was doing better than the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One. So we already have an idea what the floor for Xbox Series sales are.

In November 2014, the Xbox One was almost at 10 million sold

https://gamerant.com/xbox-one-sales-10-million-units/

Sold 1.4 million for November NPD for the month

https://xfdev.neogaf.com/threads/np...3-npd-data-error-ac-u-5.950407/post-142975576

And in December NPD sold 1.3 million

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/dece...ons-closes-january-13th.964549/post-147709046

That's just in the US, not including UK and the rest of the world. So Xbox would already be around 14 million by January 2015. Where we are at now August 2022, would be Xbox One in August 2015, so that means 8 more months of sales for the Xbox One, putting it maybe at 15 or 16 million.

There's no way the 13.8 million figure is correct, the Xbox Series consoles would have to be 2 or 3 million behind the Xbox One and that's impossible. i think the real numbers are somewhere between 17-20 million. PS5 was over 21 million sold last month, so it may be at 22 or 23 million by now, which provides a gap that makes much more sense.

I think I'll lean on the research company (with actual data) than someone on a forum. Just keeping it real. Either way they did say it's an estimate. Personally I don't think the series consoles are nowhere near 20 million because if they were MS would make it known they are on Sony's ass on top of that I don't think a few months(3) closed the gap that much between the two brands.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

Posting for the new page again, it was tracking 12m + in January. It is very unlikely it has only sold 1.8m units since then. Ampere's numbers are off.

Unfortunately MS will probably never reveal official numbers so let the gif party continue.

Why do you think that Twitter account is more reliable than Ampere? A firm with industry connections and sales data?

Zhuge and Welfare are known Xbox cheerleaders they don't have access to better data. They look at amazon sales charts and shit.

 

[Kokoloko85]

If Starfield performs anything like Skyrim, that should move units. CoD on GP could move some units as well. Then you have the low priced XSS that becomes a factor at the holidays and could grow more important as the cross-gen phase ends.

Could do, but none of Bethesda’s other titles including the Fallouts sold like Skyrim. It would have to review really well. It could be huge or maybe not.
Elder Scrolls on the other hand is different. With Halo not selling like it use to, Elder Scrolls is Xbox’s biggest IP

 

[bitbydeath]

If the Xbox Series is still outpacing Xbox One than it would have to be over 15 million at least. Sure we won't know the exact number because Microsoft won't give them but we at least have a floor.

Shipped vs Sold.
It could be 15M shipped and 13.8M sold.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

I think I'll lean on the research company (with actual data) than someone on a forum.

The numbers in the OP are directly from NPD leaks on Gaf, and the research company does not have data. They wouldn't have to guess such a low number if they did.

Zhuge Xbox cheerleaders

Zhuges post history on this forum would say otherwise. What are you basing this accusation on?

I don't agree with using him as a source, though, we have NPD data in the OP giving us an idea where the Xbox One was, and we know Xbox Series is doing better.

 

[reinking]

but when people are looking for a console and have no foot in either then xbox and gamepass more attractive. I paid for the year for PS+ premier but if it doesn't improve over time I don't think I will re sub to the top tier again and will just pay for the live service plus free games . just my opinion though

I hate to break it to people that are clinging to Game Pass being the Sony killer. I love Game Pass but so far it hasn't made a significant dent in PS sales or it's PS+ subscription count. It is not like it is a new service that just launched. It has been out for what? Five years now?

 

[John Wick]

Seems to confirm pretty much what I thought 17-20 million even before those first party studios start churning out content early 2023, they will also probably be near the 30 million Gamepass subscribers before the likes of Starfield, Redfall and Forza hit.
You have to be very optimistic this will be the best generation for Xbox by far.

Well with the money they've spent it better be their best gen.

 

[bitbydeath]

I hate to break it to people that are clinging to Game Pass being the Sony killer. I love Game Pass but so far it hasn't made a significant dent in PS sales or it's PS+ subscription count. It is not like it is a new service that just launched. It has been out for what? Five years now?

The types of games are quite different too, PS++ has a lot more AAA games. Which is probably a perk of not having to spend so much on First Party Day One titles.

 

[John Wick]

The shipped / sold difference is the key here. Those shipped vs. sold numbers will never match, as Topher explained.

My local retailer. $290 MSRP (which includes import, duties, shipping, and handling.)

Where are all the PS5's?

 

[Captain Toad]

Imagine where it'd be without the supply constraints.

 

[Imtjnotu]

I actually expect XSS sales to go up considerably when Starfield launches, as i suspect quite a few Sony guys will by a XSS, and possibly Gamepass sub, to play it.
Not that anyone will admit it on here.

I'm a sony guy who uses the hell out of Gamepass and xcloud

 

[DaGwaphics]

Could do, but none of Bethesda’s other titles including the Fallouts sold like Skyrim. It would have to review really well. It could be huge or maybe not.
Elder Scrolls on the other hand is different. With Halo not selling like it use to, Elder Scrolls is Xbox’s biggest IP

The thing is that with the GP centered approach, MS doesn't necessarily need a single killer app that can match the sales numbers of Sony/Nintendo's biggest (which may be a bit more difficult with GP in the mix anyway). A steady stream of solid games is all they need. As long as Xbox + GP has a lot more value than X1 did, it should be quite easy to push past X1. If they split the difference between X1/360, that would be gaining a lot of ground. That would be my most pessimistic outlook for current gen.

 

[Neofire]

The numbers in the OP are directly from NPD leaks on Gaf, and the research company does not have data. They wouldn't have to guess such a low number if they did.



Zhuges post history on this forum would say otherwise. What are you basing this accusation on?

I don't agree with using him as a source, though, we have NPD data in the OP giving us an idea where the Xbox One was, and we know Xbox Series is doing better.

So you are trying to validate unconfirmed "leaked" numbers? And how do you know the research companies data isn't viable but a random dudes regurgitation is?

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Shipped vs Sold.
It could be 15M shipped and 13.8M sold.

Microsoft didn't say anything about shipped, it said that it was the best selling Xbox,.

Also your number would have 1.2 million Xbox Series consoles on the shelf. Supply is not anywhere high enough for that. Xbox One was at 13 million by Jan 2015, going to August 2015, that's about 15 million right there, so the Series consoles have to be ahead of that.

Yeah people tend to forget how much of a boost Kinect was for X360 in the late part of lifecycle. Without it X360 would have been in the same 50+ million ballpark with Xone.

pwhat????

Xbox 360 was already over 50 million before Kinect reached over 10 million sales. Yeah it helped sales by only not anywhere near as much as people think, Kinect died end of 2012, Xbox 360 still sold another 15 million units after without it.

It probably gave the same lift for Microsoft as move did for Sony, a good amount but not too much.

 

[Shane89]

More than expected

 

[phil_t98]

I hate to break it to people that are clinging to Game Pass being the Sony killer. I love Game Pass but so far it hasn't made a significant dent in PS sales or it's PS+ subscription count. It is not like it is a new service that just launched. It has been out for what? Five years now?

Well Xbox isn’t 2-1 behind so far this gen but consoles have had supply issues both sides also when the activision deal gets done that can make a huge difference. We will see as the gen goes on

 

[nominedomine]

Where are all the PS5's?

Whit how tiny the Series S is they can really make the most out of those shelves.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

So you are trying to validate unconfirmed "leaked" numbers? And how do you know the research companies data isn't viable but a random dudes regurgitation is?

Gaf verified the numbers, if they weren't verified they would have banned you back then. Gaf used to have insiders and leakers back then, data wasn't just thrown out there and people beleived it.

Those numbers linked to GAF in the OP ARE the NPD numbers in those NPD threads.

Even if you don't believe them despite gaf used to having leakers and industry insiders back in the day, Microsofts official announcement of 6.6. million Xbox 360 and Xbox Ones sold in Dec/Nov 2014 still adds up to similar numbers estimating the split.

 

[bitbydeath]

Microsoft didn't say anything about shipped, it said that it was the best selling Xbox,.

Also your number would have 1.2 million Xbox Series consoles on the shelf. Supply is not anywhere high enough for that. Xbox One was at 13 million by Jan 2015, going to August 2015, that's about 15 million right there, so the Series consoles have to be ahead of that.

Them selling to stores can mean it’s best selling for them but still equal shipped.

1.2M on shelves is a low amount, think outside of the US.

Edit: Think of it this way, Sony has far less on shelves so their 21M number is rather static compared to Microsoft’s 13.8M.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Well Xbox isn’t 2-1 behind so far this gen but consoles have had supply issues both sides also when the activision deal gets done that can make a huge difference. We will see as the gen goes on

And when you look at momentum, you really have to look at the last couple years of last-gen vs. the beginnings of current gen. Sony had an almost 3:1 lead going for the most part. A stark improvement even if there was any validity to the numbers posted.

 

[phil_t98]

And when you look at momentum, you really have to look at the last couple years of last-gen vs. the beginnings of current gen. Sony had an almost 3:1 lead going for the most part. A stark improvement even if there was any validity to the numbers posted.

Yeah for sure. It won’t get to 1-1 sales this gen bit it will get much closer

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Them selling to stores can mean it’s best selling for them but still equal shipped.

1.2M on shelves is a low amount, think outside of the US.

No it's a high amount.

https://leviathyn.com/63398/900000-xbox-ones-left-unsold/

It was a big deal when the Xbox One has 900k on the shelves to pad out the shipping numbers, and you could still by launch edition Xbox Ones months later. including outside of the US. That was without supply constraints, and being able to go in the majority of stores and being able ti pick it up.

There's no way there are 1.2 million Xbox Series consoles on store shelves right now.