Pedro Motta
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So, is everyone forgetting the utter dominance of Microsoft in the PC gaming space? Gaming is basically non-existent in platforms other than Windows.
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Jim Ryan: "[Microsoft is] a tech giant with a long history of dominating industries, the choices gamers have today will disappear"
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MasterCornholio
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pasterpl
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Everyone else = playstation in your statement, as we know that ms is publishing all of their games day one on pc, and might even expand to switch at some stage.
pasterpl
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Do we have any proof showing ms actively blocking devs from developing games for Linux or Mac? Or is it purely developers choice not to bother with these.
MasterCornholio
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I'm wondering whats going to happen if Microsoft goes after another large multiplatform publisher after this.
Tiago Rodrigues
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They won't go for that. The only ones missing would be EA, Ubisoft or Take Two. They are having these issues with Activision alone. After acquiring Bethesda and Activision (if the do acquire Activision) there's no way they will be allowed to buy another huge publisher.
MasterCornholio
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They can always try until someone says no.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Robb
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Probably depends on the conclusions of this deal.
Although regarding the worries about consolidation and monopolies I don’t think it matters much. If for example Ubisoft goes up for sale for whatever reason and it isn’t MS who buys them it’ll be Embracer Group, Tencent, Sony, Amazon etc. We’re moving towards a few very large entities owning almost everything.
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About choices, where MS becomes more of choice, a viable one, that is. From a corporate perspective I understand him but from my personal consumer perspective it's getting better (not because of CoD of course, lol). Sony don't do themselves a favour when walling off cloud save games behind a pay wall, having a questionable upgrade system for PS4 games, lackluster pre-PS4 era games support.
My option with Sony alone is if I want to pay more and by how much. With MS in the same boat I have at least the choice which corporation I'm giving my money to. For that they have to be a viable choice, though.
Now that Xbox is even remotely close to offer some competition, after more than a decade being close to none, Sony's losing its shit.
Here's a corporate answer to that: come up with a solution, not with problems.
I hate when people try to deflect something onto others, talking down to them instead of trying to make their product more attractive and tell me why their brand is a good choice. It's like politicians saying who you shouldn't vote for.
Even if there's some validation to your point, some people are simply in no position to tell me because they're biased.
My option with Sony alone is if I want to pay more and by how much. With MS in the same boat I have at least the choice which corporation I'm giving my money to. For that they have to be a viable choice, though.
Now that Xbox is even remotely close to offer some competition, after more than a decade being close to none, Sony's losing its shit.
Here's a corporate answer to that: come up with a solution, not with problems.
I hate when people try to deflect something onto others, talking down to them instead of trying to make their product more attractive and tell me why their brand is a good choice. It's like politicians saying who you shouldn't vote for.
Even if there's some validation to your point, some people are simply in no position to tell me because they're biased.
John Wick
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Wow! Four games. All of those games could of appeared on Xbox if MS want to stump up some cash. Let's see how many games disappear from PS with Zenimax and ABK.
Yet again which set of gamers has lost more games from major studios in the last 3 years? Last i looked Sony got more exclusives since Microsoft bought zenimax than Microsoft 2-0. How many SE has sony locked up in the last few years again? The ABK deal will still result in less games taken away from playstation for the next 5 years than Microsoft gamers will lose this year alone from major studios. If dominance is releasing a game with parity for the next 10 years what is sony doing?
And sony could of bought zenimax if they could shell out 4 billion for 1 studio in bungie they could of came up with 8 billion for zenimax. Last i looked since Microsoft bought zenimax sony got more exclusives 2-0 from zenimax studios.
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John Wick
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This is 3rd party. So which entire genres and series did they corner and cut off from other brands?
Also MS have the exact same opportunity to buy said content for themselves and they have been.
We just went through an entire generation where MS did no such dominating.
On PC, a market nearly as big as console, MS puts their games on Steam day one.
Mobile streaming? theyve extended their entire Azure stack and infrastructure to any player willing to pay. Even competitors.
It’s so weird how these claims are made with zero supporting evidence.
JRPG's mainly. And you can also count competitive fighting games with SFV, but that's coming back with SFVI. Like really. If you are fan of JRPG of fighting games, would you buy an Xbox?
Of course Microsoft has opportunity. But claiming it is "same" is disingenuous. When you are paying cash for timed/permanent exclusivity, price of that exclusivity needs to compensate revenue lost from selling your game on other platform. And since PlayStation was more popular last gen, those deals are cheaper for Sony then they are for Microsoft. It is one of the reason, why Microsoft stopped doing timed exclusive deals for big AAA games after Rise of the Tomb Raider. And that's the point. Sony was trying so hard last gen and at start of this gen to bury Microsoft under the ground with those strategic deals. Which is business after all. So I'm not complaining about that. But it's funny when Jimbo is crying to the media, when other company is using their strength (ie. fuckload of money) to fight them.
It's like if I said..."well, duh, Sony could bought Bethesda or Activision Blizzard or make some kind of merger."
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John Wick
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So which two exclusives did Sony get from Zenimax? They were timed console exclusives which released on PC day and date and now are on Xbox. So you look foolish now.
MS of already locked Starfield and that game by Arcane but judging by MS slow schedule we can't give a timeframe.
RoadHazard
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In gaming they've failed to do so thus far. I'm obviously talking about other markets where they do dominate (and there's a lot of not exactly flattering history telling how they got to that point). This is what they want to achieve in gaming too (if you don't believe that's their goal I don't know what to tell you), they just have never figured out how to properly compete. So now they've switched strategies to buying their way to dominance.
TheGodfather07
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Even the regulators are sony fans. Nothing stops this train.
Exclusive is exclusive can i play ghost wire tokyo on an xbox today? Could you play deathloop day 1 on a xbox? Until sony stops the agressive timed exclusives from major studios i have zero issues with Microsoft buying studios to fight back.
Badlucktroll
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No, but Microsoft was probably doing that stuff in the 90s
YOU PC BRO?!
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Sony money hats traditionally multi-plat exclusives left and right when it suits them. Regularly pays for timed releases for certain titles anywhere up to a year. They refuse to allow PlayStation players to matchmake with Xbox players. For years they have paid for exclusive marketing rights for certain multi-plat games. They also platform lock dlc for certain titles on the regular. Are we really supposed to believe it’s Microsoft stifling player choice? What a joke. This comes from a PS5 owner btw.
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No. People know MS isn’t getting a cut from Valve. Steam is THE dominant player in the PC gaming space.
To put it plainly, there’s nothing MS is doing in the PC space that’s stifling the ability of companies to make money from PC gaming.
He’s clearly pulling this out of his arse. This whole opposition to the deal is more about blocking Day one COD from Gamepass and less about any real concerns about MS dominating console which is frankly ludicrous.
Show Ryan this thread and he’s burst into laughter at people gullible enough to fall for this.
There’s zero indication that the Xbox One generation wasn’t profitable for MS.
Can you provide any source that MS lost a fortune ?
They aren’t giving out years of service for almost free. They’ve provided discounts for new joiners and added day one games to the service because they’re (correctly) banking on the service being sticky and most people aren’t chasing loopholes on Eneba.
Literally scraping the bottom of the barrel here with this. Blaming MS for providing more generous terms than Sony.
Might as well attack them for keeping their first party games $60.
And none of these games are remotely expected to move the needle to tilt console sales to Xbox.
You’re perfectly fine with quasi-exclusivity for Final Fantasy but draw the line at Elder Scrolls?
The honest thing to do would be to mention this in the context of the biggest IP from that publisher being kept multi-platform.
Unless of course you’re claiming that a potential exclusivity for Crash Bandicoot would be a dominant power play.
The scale is irrelevant. Their competition is pushing the same intent by acquiring multiple developers with popular IP. And spending money to secure previously multiplatform games as long term exclusives. Sony uses their dominant market share as a way to pay for exclusive deals at much cheaper prices than MS would have to pay.
All parties are using their advantages.
Less of nitpicking and more of tearing apart poor arguments. None of these really hold water.
John Wick
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Can you please list the entire RPG series of games that Sony has paid to keep off Xbox? Last I checked FF15 was on Xbox. FF7 never released as far as I'm aware on an Xbox.
You claim Sony have boxed off the RPG genre but can provide the receipts? FF16 could be possibly timed console exclusive. But one game or series doesn't mean an entire genre.
Outside of SFV which Sony funded which other fighting series have they tied down?
Xbox using money from elsewhere to get control of the market isn't fair at all. This isn't some start up company but a tech giant. They are spending close to $100 billion to monopolise the industry. They wouldn't be able to make those type of acquisitions just from their gaming revenue.
Just imagine if this was Apple or Google but in fields where they are involved in and they threw $100 billion on dominating a market imagine the stink MS would kick up?
John Wick
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I love these alt type accounts with the usual green stench. It's a bit sad when they justify their opinion/statement with either PS owner/PS fan etc. It makes the statement that more believable.
SLB1904
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Me as an xbox fanboy. You are fool of shit
Swift_Star
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Well, He is right.
Swift_Star
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First page full of people angry at Jim Ryan for telling the truth is hilarious.
MikeM
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Maybe MS should have been backing up money trucks the same way Sony does. I don’t see how they have billions for acquisitions but nothing for exclusives.
I could be wrong, but didn’t MS pioneer this concept?
Oh, they’ve figured out how to compete. They’re going all in with Gamepass, they’re going with day one releases on PC and are trying to invest heavily in cloud streaming to reach a lot of gamers. Not to mention the Series S strategy to expand the market.
All moves initiated by Phil Spencer, by the way.
Strategy hasn’t been ‘switched’. They just need more first party content to fill Gamepass, plus more mobile devs to make a push for mobile gaming. That’s where Activision comes in.
Insane Metal
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Oh no bad company wants the market all for them. Good thing Sony would never do that.
Right? Right??
Right? Right??
YOU PC BRO?!
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Currently playing through Ragnarok right now. GoW 2018 was my GOTG. Can’t I be a fan of Playstation and level criticism at blatant hypocrisy at the same time? For the record I also have a Series X and a Switch. Does it disturb you that some PlayStation owners aren’t blind fanboys like you?
Swift_Star
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Yes. Rise of the Tomb Raider is a classic one.
Topher
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That isn't really comparable though. PC operating systems are entirely open. Steam is king of the PC gaming space and Microsoft gives $0 from that revenue stream.
YOU PC BRO?!
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The only one full of shit is you. Specifically, what in my comment was erroneous? You should be able to tell me. You can’t because Sony does indeed routinely engage in shitty business practices on the regular. I can be a fan of Playstation and still accept that. Why can’t you?
Topher
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Microsoft engages in the exact same behavior. I'm not saying that makes it ok, but this crap happens on both sides.
Punished Miku
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It's not the truth. One company is raising prices of games and systems and charging extra for cross-gen upgrades, and claiming that a sub service is impossible. The other company is providing more options and competition.
All Ryan is correct about is that a monopoly is bad. What he lies about is that Sony is by far the most dominant and monopolistic in the high end gaming space. As soon as MS was able to make Gamepass attractive enough, they flipped and suddenly PS+ Extra exists and all the claims from Sony execs that the business model didn't make sense vanished. Read the thread about Sony raising PS5 prices in Europe on here sometime. It's nothing but posters here claiming that Sony has near total control of the market there so they can do whatever they want. Sony isn't a monopoly either, but in gaming they are a hell of a lot closer than MS is. Ryan's comments are a joke.
If we lived in opposite world where MS was in the position Sony is in now, and they were nearing some kind of monopolistic control that would rob everyone of choice, then maybe you'd have a point. But we're so far from that place that it's ridiculous.
Swift_Star
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Only because MS was shortsighted and they do nothing about it because they can't, because of the nature of PCs. But they would if they could.
I don't doubt they might try and buy Steam someday.
Using this as an excuse yet you’ve cited Starfield before as something Xbox has ‘taken away’.
After FF7 Remake, I think most people are rather cynical on this point.
At this point, I think the clear realization is that you do not know the meaning of the word ‘monopolize’.
Because I have no clue how World of Warcraft, Diablo, Crash Bandicoot and Bethesda IP are supposed to ‘monopolize the industry’.
Swift_Star
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Regulators would probably never agree to this.
Topher
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The last time Microsoft tried to leverage their OS dominance the US government almost broke the company into literal pieces. They are not going down that road again.
Punished Miku
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Has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the video game market in 2022.
YOU PC BRO?!
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Not so much under Phil Spencer but I accept there has been BS from Microsoft in the past. This ‘holier than thou’ hypocrisy from Jim Ryan is just sad considering how they kicked off this gen by platform locking titles.
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Swift_Star
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But Jimbo IS telling the truth.
MS has a history of monopoly and you can't dispute that.
Those are facts.
SLB1904
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Just because Sony picks better games for exclusivity doesn't mean the exclusivity xbox has with crappy games less shitty.
This ship ain't sailing mah dude
Punished Miku
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And the part after that is the lie. MS getting Activision is not going to result in the absence of choice in gaming or anything even close to a monopoly.
YOU PC BRO?!
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Finally, broke through the fanboy in you. Ignoring Microsoft for a moment. Isn’t it hypocritical for Jim Ryan to be citing ‘player choice’ as an issue with Microsoft purchasing a publisher considering he has purchased studios recently and routinely money hats exclusives? You are almost there my dude.
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