Brigandier
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I loved FFX visual style and art direction, So bright and colorful, Played the remaster few years ago and I was pleasantly surprised that it looked really good.
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25 minutes of Final Fantasy XVI Revealed at the State of Play
I loved FFX visual style and art direction, So bright and colorful, Played the remaster few years ago and I was pleasantly surprised that it looked really good.
It never stood a chance against U2 and everyone knows it. It looked dated, tech wise.
Fredrik
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I enjoy both too, Elden Ring must be the pure definition of Action RPG and it’s my #2 all-time game. But your controller skills no doubt have a big impact on how well you’re doing and for me that’s kinda taking away some RPG depth, if that makes any sense. Someone can in theory play til the end as a level 1 wretch if they’re good enough, character stats and gear becomes secondary when you know all attack patterns.
As for FFXVI I haven’t seen them show off the RPG elements much, said they would do it here but barely touched on it. I assume there isn’t much actual roleplaying when it comes to character creation/development but I hoped they would show more of the stats and numbers behind it all. At this point I think it looks like an action adventure.
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Danjin44
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CrimsonSquall
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Bro literally no one compared it to U2. Not a single person. Final Fantasy 13 was like 3x the length of U2
Fredrik
Member
There is more to it than that with the weapon, armour, accessories, etc. They just didn’t show much of it. They only really stayed on the things that would help those who struggle playing action games which was a bit weird lolI would say there are RPG elements as much as most JRPGs have.
Danjin44
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Let me ask you what DQXI have in terms of character building that makes it more RPG than FFXVI? Because you can control the party members? Does that mean Persona 3FES is not RPG because you can only control one character?
I feel like you think FFXVI is not RPG because it fast combo heavy action combat but....
We have games like Tales of series.
Star Ocean
Dragon Dogma.
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Fredrik
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Premature discussion lol, we can talk after the release when we’ve actually played it.
Going by the video it looks roughly like God of War Ragnarök regarding RPG elements, I think that’s said to be an action adventure.
Danjin44
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This is why I asked you, What DQXI has that makes it more RPG than FFXVI?
GymWolf
Gold Member
No, gow is full on action rpg.
Fredrik
Member
Haven’t played either game, sorry.
Fredrik
Member
Pretty sure it’s defined as an action adventure.
BUT the genre definitions are no doubt getting blurry when so many games have RPG elements. Not sure where the RPG definition starts.
GymWolf
Gold Member
It has a lot of stats, builds, levels to nerd on.
It's way more rpg that a real action adventure like zelda botw that only has very few simple stats and no different builds at all.
But yeah, rpg definition is too vague today.
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Fredrik
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Yeah it’s a bit confusing, lots of games have some gear and weapon build choices and stats and abilities now. Is Assassin’s Creed Odyssey an action rpg? Maybe it is idk. A topic for another thread.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Every single modern FF is hammered for having subpar graphics before launch and then praised for the graphics after launch. The same is happening again, so it's a tiresome debate. Especially as it dominates each thread for the game.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Real time. Combat designer for Devil May Cry / Dragons Dogma was hired a few years ago for this. I beleive they also recieved input from the KH combat leads early in development.
GymWolf
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i consider odissey an open world action rpg, yes, even more than ragnarock because you do make some story choice.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Was just thinking the same thing.
What exactly is an RPG?
My maybe hot take, is any game that allows me to create my own character and allows for multiple possible endings based on choices I make when playing the game is an RPG.
If a game doesn't meet those criteria then to me it's an adventure game. And you can throw in action adventure depending on how focused its combat system is.
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GymWolf
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That's probably the purest definition.
But for me every relatively long game with stats, builds, levels gate, loot etc. is an rpg today, even if you don't have much choice during the plot.
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Roufianos
Member
Thanks dude.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
You clearly know nothing about FInal Fantasy.
jm89
Member
Probably being sarcastic(I hope)
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Given many's opinions in this thread - I am not holding my breath.
Fredrik
Member
I don’t know, you have no character stats besides health/attack/defense and no control over your upgrading besides seeing a level go up and unlocking abilities. But as you say there are story choices. Hmm.
If you’re coming from D&D then character creation is important, and having some quest choices, and being able to put in points in the character stats to tweak the build when levelling up. But I can accept that the genre definition isn’t that strict anymore, would exclude The Witcher 3 from the RPG genre. It’s an interesting discussion though!
tomato shrub
Member
They ride camels in Lawrence of Arabia, cringe 7/10.Looks good but now every final fantasy should also be ranked on they cringy-ness scale. Is it going to ff10 level cringy? Or ff12 level? I see chocobos are still a thing, that alone adds 3 cringyness points.
GymWolf
Gold Member
You can make builds with the weapons, like based on fire or venom.
But sure it wasn't super deep.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
yea lol exactly, its the second best looking FF game tbh behind 9
if they advertised the new FF's visuals that being it looked like 9 or X that's not a detriment that's a selling point. I want my colorful detailed artstyles.
Wow i didnt know the latest tales looked that fun! What game in the series is that?!?!Let me ask you what DQXI have in terms of character building that makes it more RPG than FFXVI? Because you can control the party members? Does that mean Persona 3FES is not RPG because you can only control one character?
I feel like you think FFXVI is not RPG because it fast combo heavy action combat but....
We have games like Tales of series.
Star Ocean
Dragon Dogma.
Variahunter
Member
Can't you read ?
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Largely unknown, but I believe the engine that powered the new FFXIV, but a ton of enhancements and modifications since 2018. So it's now probably very different to that base framework and its own thing.
A safe guess is that UE4 wouldn't be able to deliver what they wanted and UE5 released well after development started, pre-production planning began around 2016, production from 2018 and UE5 launched in 2022, so internal tech was best for 16.
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Ordnasella_Edadnirt
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Making some big numbers so far
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Kumomeme
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apparently preorder also on no.1 top seller on some region at Amazon. collector edition is sold out at SE Store.
Danjin44
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Tales of Arise.
Isa
Member
Very true and something a lot of people forget is that many modules across time for D&D(along with a host of other game systems) tend to include premade/pregen characters with stat blocks ready to be selected and played, for tournaments and normal groups. And not to forget the type of GM's and players that like a more linear and railroad experience as opposed to the sandbox campaigns. I'm personally fond of pointcrawls. I used to be of that mindset that without character creators and choices a game just isn't an rpg but that isn't the case imho. Now I recognize that many games take elements from rpgs to add depth and more to the overall experience, which is pretty great more often than not. I enjoy all types of games.
Madflavor
Member
The attention from State of Play and the Amazon preorders have been nice to see. I was worried that the game wasn't getting the amount of attention it deserved.
They only switched to ue4 after their disaster final fantasy 7 remake alpha in their own engine. Starting on a new engine takes time and effort and they only did it once because they had to. Here it seems to be going according to plan so they didn't need to switch over.
Danjin44
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Other than forums like GAF majority of people are hyped for FFXVI. Go look at the thread when Elden Ring first showed off its gameplay people shit on the game because the graphics weren’t high tech enough and complain that it’s too much like Dark Souls which is funny because in GAF they also shit on Sekiro because it wasn’t “Dark Souls” enough.
Kumomeme
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one of journalist that try the demo back last month asked if the engine is either Luminous or Unreal which they replied as none of those two.
in another interview with wccftech also confirmed by Naoki Yoshida that they use brand new engine created solely for FFXVI
Final Fantasy XVI Developer Interview - New Engine With No Forspoken Tech, Arcade Mode, Global Leaderboards
We joined a round-table developer interview with lead developers on Final Fantasy XVI to discuss what's unique about this upcoming JRPG.
wccftech.com
probably new inhouse proprietry engine build solely for the game. at 2018 CEDEC they did has research and presentation on PBR. in the presentaion they upgrade FFXIV engine for the purpose. it has similliar looking armour with FF16 and one of face model use in the presentation also the director Hiroshi Takai itself.
スクウェア・エニックス第5BDが取り組む、効率化とクオリティを両立したハイエンドキャラクター制作フロー～CEDEC 2018レポート（7）
最近の大規模ゲームにおける3Dキャラクターモデル作成では、市販の様々なソフトウェアを横断しながら...
cgworld.jp
few years ago also the division also has hiring ad, looking for engine lightning programmer.
perhaps the engine based on fork of FFXIV engine which is a mix between Crystal Tools and Luminous tech. there is false rumors floating around said FFXIV use earlier version of Luminous which is false. according to the programmer that create the engine for FFXIV (which is same programmer from Luminous engine), its a brand new engine, build from scratch for FFXIV with core is similliar with Luminous(since same devs are working on it) so its more like a cousin with that engine. one of journalist on that other site did said that Crystal Tools is more like a set of tools. so core similliar to Luminous and some of its tech like lightning mixed with some of set of tools from Crystal Tools is what make FFXIV engine is and perhaps used as based for FFXVI engine.
it is makesense for the devs to choose to use engine or tools that they already familiarize with so it is not suprise if they based the engine on the one they use with FFXIV.
last year Square Enix also trademark name for 'Radec Engine' which is we dont know what it is for yet.
Square Enix trademarks Radec Engine in Japan
Square Enix filed a trademark for “Radec Engine” on September 1 in Japan, which was made public today.
www.gematsu.com
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Madflavor
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Trailer views for the game were really low. During TGA 2022 it wasn't even close to being one of the most viewed trailers:
By the way I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm just making it clear that my concern didn't come outta nowhere. But I'm very glad hype for the game is ramping up and it's getting more attention.
Kumomeme
Member
this is final fantasy. it still has strong name. also here we see how Sony marketing deal working.
Danjin44
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Oh they did, this is why NieR Gestalt got lot of shit when it first came out in 2010.Graphics whores didn't exist during the PS3 era...
squarealex
Member
FInal Fantasy can't be less popular than Armored Core. (Seriously no one care Armored Core, people are just hyped because From Software)
Trailer are just pre-hype from TGA (Suicide Squad are be destroyed since the last SOP)
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Varteras
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Graphics whores didn't exist during the PS3 era...
The earliest incarnation of graphics whores I can recall were all the way back during the SNES vs Genesis days. I watched friends get in heated arguments over it all. Many I knew chose SNES because they perceived it having better looking games than Genesis. Even if they didn't really know if it was true.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
it was true... but like not by that much. especially considering the later genesis games.
Honestly it's mainly down to colors, 256 colors really helped SNES games be more vibrant and colorful then MD games during the early days. By 1993, both consoles had visually beautiful games though.
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Varteras
Gold Member
For sure. I remember being blown away by Vectorman and Donkey Kong Country.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
This is incorrect or not fully accurate.
The revenge trailer's views were split amongst multiple YouTube account.
YT Channel views:
Playstation: 1.2mil
S-E Japanese: 991k
Playstation Japan: 190k
Final Fantasy: 233k
Gamespot: 232k
Gamespot trailers: 154k
IGN: 235K
S-E English: 204k
Playstation France: 86k
TGA: 66k
A few more
Total: 3.6mil+
Plus the TGA stream had tens of million of views, but anyway, the views for the trailer were split up between multiple accounts and if you add them up it got decent exposure. Ignoring the views on other platforms, such as Twitter and Facebook.
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