Tarin02543
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i still need to finish BotW, buying TotK would feel like a waste of 60 euros of the former
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Madflavor
Member
I think some people need to understand the BotW 1.5 complaint a bit better. The last time we got a 3D Zelda game that used the same engine and gameplay from its predecessor was OoT and MM. But those games released pretty close from each other.
There’s 6 years between BotW and TotK. And if you miss the old Zelda formula, you’ve gone more than a decade at this point since the last time you got that. With OoT and MM, the concept was at least wildly different. But TotK looks, plays, and feels like BotW. Even a lot of the music is the same. The Game Over jingle that plays is even the same. So after 6 years, there are some people who were hoping for something more.
Ultimately I think it's fine, but if the next Zelda game is going to be BotW 3, that's when I think people are going to have a real problem.
There’s 6 years between BotW and TotK. And if you miss the old Zelda formula, you’ve gone more than a decade at this point since the last time you got that. With OoT and MM, the concept was at least wildly different. But TotK looks, plays, and feels like BotW. Even a lot of the music is the same. The Game Over jingle that plays is even the same. So after 6 years, there are some people who were hoping for something more.
Ultimately I think it's fine, but if the next Zelda game is going to be BotW 3, that's when I think people are going to have a real problem.
Here's why I don't understand the complaint.
1) Breath of the Wild was absolutely fantastic.
2) It was their first attempt at that new formula and by all accounts they had to leave a lot of stuff on the table when they actually released the game.
3) It's not as if there's a bunch of other devs out there using this formula. The only game that even comes close in terms of structure + quality is Elden Ring. And that's frankly pretty far off in terms of design. It would be different if we'd been playing this game over and over again for the last five years
After playing this for about 4 hours, this feels like them realizing their initial vision:
-The world feels so much more intricately designed - large caves, much more verticality and levels (not just in the sense of large mountains).
-The new abilities are not only awesome to use on their own, but they compliment the above so well - navigating the world feels like a bunch of mini puzzles that can be solved in so many different ways. Ultrahand and fuse are game changers
-Much more variety in enemies so far
-Chemistry system still works fantastic and they've expanded on it with new items, also complimented by ultrahand/fuse
They clearly had a ton of ideas to expand on the formula, and instead of spending 6 years reinventing the wheel (again, since they just did that with BOTW) they did that.
There's a group of people that have this weird obsession with innovation, which is curious to me because this industry is and always has been EXTREMELY derivative. It's a rare thing for a truly great game to come around and be something that isn't derivative. Lots of new ideas take several releases before they actually come together, most new ideas NEVER come together. So I really wonder what this group sits around and plays all day, because there really isn't much quality stuff out there if that's what you're set on.
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Astral Dog
Member
Well,you can't expect a revolution every 5 years,after Ocarina of Time it didn't happen either,but tbf Nintendo was always clear this is the "sequel" to Breath of the Wild with the same artsyle on very similar hardware, i bet they did the best they could.
Breath of the Wild was a new template,this one is polishing and improving it with new mechanics, next generation they can do so much more
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Bragr
Banned
I wonder if people can get in legal trouble playing this before launch.
Madflavor
Member
I mean WW came out 4 years after OOT, but I don't disagree with most of what you're saying, even if I am whelmed.
Bragr
Banned
You misunderstand what makes a sequel. Some similar tunes and visuals mean nothing, its about the gameplay. The interactivity. Which is radically different in Tears.
Madflavor
Member
It looks pretty similar to me in terms of gameplay.
It's not.
Do you have examples of sequels that actually fit your description while also being a fantastic game? Cause there ain't many.
Ulysses 31
Member
I do wonder what story excuse there will be for not having the Master Sword available at the start.
Madflavor
Member
I know Sequels play similar, I'm not arguing against that. I never wanted a sequel to BotW, so I guess you can consider that the crux of the issue for me. But when people are like "Oh it's very different from BotW" that's where I disagree.
To me a Sequel that is different from it's predecessor would be Resident Evil 4 or God of War 2018.
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Have you played it? It's quite a bit different.
Certainly more different than most games the industry puts out. It's a derivative industry - the "it's the same" narrative just always seems so disingenuous. Especially when BOTW was one of the most "different" games we'd seen in some time.
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Schmendrick
Member
now add a pinch of reshade to get rid of that extremely washed out zero-contrast look, maybe even get rt reshade in there and we`ve got the game the way it`s meant to be played.
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Madflavor
Member
I mean I have eyes and ears man, and I've watched a substantial amount of the leaked footage. Graphics are the same, reused music, movement and attack animations, etc. They took Breath of the Wild and built upon it by adding new features. And yes of course the map is different, proper dungeons, etc. But the bones are the same. And that's perfectly acceptable for a sequel.
brian0057
Banned
People love to say things like this and then go: "Gee, why is that company losing so much money. All they did was make a whole new game from the ground up and using brand new tech."
PaddyOCanager
Member
This isn't a spoiler since I'm just speculating but I believe in one of the trailers it is broken so I'm assuming that happens in the beginning of the game.
Astral Dog
Member
The Wind Waker is one of my favorite games,and did a lot of cool things,but still somewhat traditional beyond the presentation change.and it was a commercial failure at the time
What they are doing with Tears of the Kingdom makes sense even if its not the most exciting thing ever, many people wanted more Breath of the Wild,and they are getting a continuation.
I do find interesting Nintendo found the way of making Breath of the Wild its own little series,the first game storyline and experience will be awfully incomplete without playing Tears of the Kingdom
It also makes sense for the Switch rather than reinventing the wheel
For next generation we should expect a bigger jump
Guilhermegrg
Member
Yeah this is not just DLC. Maybe if it were a partial implementation of the new powers and just the initial area. Which by the way is really big and you can spend a few hours on it no problems.
So a whole new story, new mechanics, new enemies, new areas, changed areas, new music....Dozens more hours exploring ...yeah it's a new game.
I mean I understand what people are talking about, as the base is the same, but the complexity and the amount of what is implemented here is far beyond any DLC.
Still a bit conflicted as the new mechanics just beg to be explored, and actually the building is more fun than I anticipated, but then the performance...ehhh. For me personally is below what I would like. It's playable sure, but not as smooth as botw in most areas.
Hopefully there'll be a patch.
It's fun to build stuff and then you try it aaaaaaand you didn't account for correct weight distribution and the thing topples over and crashes
Can't wait to see what crazy contraptions people will build.
There's a lot here to unpack for sure. Won't go far anytime soon since I have real life to take care of, but hopefully at least finish the initial area.
So a whole new story, new mechanics, new enemies, new areas, changed areas, new music....Dozens more hours exploring ...yeah it's a new game.
I mean I understand what people are talking about, as the base is the same, but the complexity and the amount of what is implemented here is far beyond any DLC.
Still a bit conflicted as the new mechanics just beg to be explored, and actually the building is more fun than I anticipated, but then the performance...ehhh. For me personally is below what I would like. It's playable sure, but not as smooth as botw in most areas.
Hopefully there'll be a patch.
It's fun to build stuff and then you try it aaaaaaand you didn't account for correct weight distribution and the thing topples over and crashes
Can't wait to see what crazy contraptions people will build.
There's a lot here to unpack for sure. Won't go far anytime soon since I have real life to take care of, but hopefully at least finish the initial area.
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Kamina
Golden Boy
Kataploom
Gold Member
Today's internet definitely needs some "anti-spoilers" filters for content that we should be able to apply at discretion...
What if he/she DOESN'T want to see spoilers of a game they want to play on YouTube thumbnails while lurking in the feed? Some of you really hate that people like Nintendo, as if that was some deathly sin lol
I feel kinda the same but because I wanted to find all non-DLC shrines before starting it, but 200 hours in I haven't been able to... IDK where else to look at, I should just make peace with myself and move on with that "debt" lol
Jinzo Prime
Member
It gets broken at the beginning.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Which is pretty amazing since the blade has never been broken in Zelda history ever.
Jinzo Prime
Member
Blade of Evil's Bane. Shattered. Oh boy.
FearlessBelgian
Member
Stuttering on emulator is catastrophic, how people can play like that ?
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Zelda is a lesbian
Thaedolus
Gold Member
Holammer
Member
That's obviously not normal, but there are 30 & 60 fps mods.
Check post #218
Schmendrick
Member
Lol, get a better PC....
The game already runs better than on the switch itself.
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Thaedolus
Gold Member
Almost certainly normal due to shader caching. it should chill out once they’re cached or someone can compile them all for a separate download
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
More like caves are in.
And there is another world below a giant map
Buggy Loop
Member
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I’m surprised no one here has a copy. 
Otre
Banned
Its not a sin to hate nintendo. I like nintendo. Its a pathetic thing to simp for a corporation and gloat about it on a forum. I can already read the letter that says "thank you corporation, the high cost of your software was the only thing that got me through this hard time, please dont ever change. I dont have anything or anyone else. Please notice me"
If you dont want to see spoilers, dont go to the website. You will not die from that. Plenty of stuff to invest time in.
Jinzo Prime
Member
Did they do anything with the Hyrule Ridge area from the first game? It was the biggest waste in space on BotW. Also, did Lon Lon Ranch get repaired?
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Kataploom
Gold Member
Not being mad at Nintendo for trying to run a business without cheaping out on their products is not "simping", it's just understand other's business. Games are luxury.
Also it's shit that one have to avoid wanting to relax watching something on youtube by fear of being spoiled. What should be done is offer filters for those that don't want to get spoiled. In this day and age it should be a mandatory feature.
Gamerfan81
Member
Anyone knows the story yet? Just put it in spoilers if you have information. I don't mind spoilers, in fact to me it's just more in depth previews.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Very rough and patchy information i could gather so far:
Seemingly mummified Ganondorf is found in a cave by Link and Zelda explore ing under the castle. He wakes up, Link fights back but the Master sword breaks.
Links Arm gets cursed, Zelda transported to the Past by the yellow tear she is wearing. Links cursed arm is unsavable and replaced by the Rausu’s arm that bound Ganondorf.
Link awakens on thr Sky islands gets to abilities for his new Zonai arm and to meet Zelda.
Meanwhile in the Past Zelda is meeting the Sages. There is some plot where past Ganondorf murders Sonia, the Queen of Hyrule. Zelda transforma in a Dragon to return to the future. Rauro seals Ganondorf in the past by sacrificing himself.
Links Arm gets cursed, Zelda transported to the Past by the yellow tear she is wearing. Links cursed arm is unsavable and replaced by the Rausu’s arm that bound Ganondorf.
Link awakens on thr Sky islands gets to abilities for his new Zonai arm and to meet Zelda.
Meanwhile in the Past Zelda is meeting the Sages. There is some plot where past Ganondorf murders Sonia, the Queen of Hyrule. Zelda transforma in a Dragon to return to the future. Rauro seals Ganondorf in the past by sacrificing himself.
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Kamina
Golden Boy
Laurelin village Spoiler:
Hyrule Castle…
Master Sword:
You get the master sword back by riding Dragon Zelda and taking it out of her. It takes two stamina bars to rip it from her head. It's sticking outside of her.
You have to find a way to fly to her and drop down on her while she's flyingin the sky..
Hyrule Castle…
is apparently dungeon again, and phantom ganon is the boss, which is apparently dark souls level hard and pretty much requires you to do the dungeons of the game first
Master Sword:
You get the master sword back by riding Dragon Zelda and taking it out of her. It takes two stamina bars to rip it from her head. It's sticking outside of her.
You have to find a way to fly to her and drop down on her while she's flyingin the sky..
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Otre
Banned
Keep fighting for the family friendly company, theyll give you a job there.
Use netflix or some of the other random dozens of streamable services if spoilers send you to the hospital.
Ulysses 31
Member
Is Switch emulation already as advanced as Wii U? 
BlackTron
Member
So they did exactly what I've been hoping/moaning about since years ago. They took BOTW and completed it. As a result BOTW is effectively outdated. It's pretty much the unfinished beta version of a full Zelda game we have now.
Schmendrick
Member
"already"? the console is 6 years old. Emulation has been working very well for a long time nowIs Switch emulation already as advanced as Wii U?