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[Giallo Corsa]

Absolutely bizarre that this thread is blowing up because of the first person view. And a lot of it has to do with console wars indeed.

Machine Games are amazing and they are doing what they know how to do best. The trailer for the game looks awesome and yes, it’s refreshing to see a first person Indiana Jones. It’s giving me Dishonoured vibes with the stealth segments and puzzle sequences. Why would you not want that? The game has so much potential to be good that it’s breaking some people. The whole vibe and atmosphere is closer to the original film trilogy than the latest films. It’s what we want.

Were people crying like this when RE7 was announced? Insanity.

Dear Tom, i'm pretty sure they were
RE7 was mostly probably done in FPV because of the VR mania/fad a couple of years ago so they also wanted to tick that box - this is my personal opinion obviously.
The game did turn out good but, let's face it, people do like the 3rd person view more when it comes to RE.

Anyway, i do agree that it's weird that many are finding Indy's FPV choice so extravagant to the point of reaching...17 pages full of constant back 'n' forth and general pettiness, i just can't anymore, why the fuck can't we all get along ? People calling others "clowns", uber-generalizations , typical Xbox Vs Sony warz etc etc - and for what ? 'cause of a specific gameplay perspective choice ? Fuck me

Cheers brother

 

[Zheph]

There were huge meltdowns for sure. But it turned out to be a great game and added some nice variety to the series.

We can agree on that even if I personally didn't enjoy it as much and I am quite happy we getting remakes and not only 8

 

[adamsapple]

And especially he looks fucking perfect, as far as the model goes.

Hell yeah.

 

[Punished Miku]

I'm not sassing you, you posted a bunch of sarcastic crap, I responded with real points which you just ignored while doubling down on your own sass until I gave up.

So to summarize, it's fine to want Indy in 3rd person but wanting Marathon in 3rd person is completely out of line. Understood!

I did get into some detail as well asking you about why Marathon being in 3rd person is so weird. It makes sense to me? Cosmetics, and they already cut to 3rd person a bit in previous games. Don't they also ride bikes in 3rd person? How you look in Marathon is likely to be far more important than Indiana Jones, since the whole economy will depend on it. But okay, off limits I guess. Back to bashing Indiana Jones.

 

[ManaByte]

Dear Tom, i'm pretty sure they were
RE7 was mostly probably done in FPV because of the VR mania/fad a couple of years ago so they also wanted to tick that box - this is my personal opinion obviously.
The game did turn out good but, let's face it, people do like the 3rd person view more when it comes to RE.

Anyway, i do agree that it's weird that many are finding Indy's FPV choice so extravagant to the point of reaching...17 pages full of constant back 'n' forth and general pettiness, i just can't anymore, why the fuck can't we all get along ? People calling others "clowns", uber-generalizations , typical Xbox Vs Sony warz etc etc - and for what ? 'cause of a specific gameplay perspective choice ? Fuck me

Cheers brother

RE7 maybe, but I seem to remember RE8 being universally praised here.

 

[Topher]

Watching the 4k trailer and it looks to have plenty of cinematic moments to me...But hey....

And the gameplay could have been just as cinematic as the cutscenes. If that's not what you want then fine, but not sure why you want an Indiana Jones game at all frankly.

 

[IDappa]

Wolfenstein but indy has nothing to do with the perspective..

I have played and finished ,multiple times, each of machine games wolf titles (except the terrible youngbloods) as well as their respective DLCs

My wolfenstein but Indy comes from knowing exactly what those games feel like and play like and asides from a gimmick being a whip instead of extendible robot legs, they look almost identical to me. What they have showed (which is all we can base this upon) looks exactly like their prior works... which for me never gave the impression of "this need to be Indiana Jones game."

Again I don't think "hurr hurr punch a nazi" when I think Indy. all I get from what I saw is that you are going to be doing insane things while killing everything that moves like you do in the wolf games and most first person shooters.

I don't think huge massive setpieces with Indy. I think small intimate setpieces where Indy has to use his brain to survive and outwit.

We've gone from flapping an umbrella to bird strike a plane to jumping from two moving planes in the air with call of duty action all around.

I’m not one for ongoing argument's online as I do not have the time. All I will say is agree to disagree.

However I will say their focus on puzzles and keeping within tone of the of indy films has me intrigued… when you have a movie series which has people surviving a drop from a plane with a life raft and people tearing hearts out of others chests, jumping from one plane to another doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility in universe..

I’m a sucker for getting the last word in lol..

 

[ManaByte]

but not sure why you want an Indiana Jones game at all frankly.

Because there hasn't been an Indy game in 20 years and the last two games were pretty generic Tomb Raider clones.

 

[gow3isben]

Animations throughout the trailer are barely passable for last gen AA game and we got people saying it looks "amazing". Hell, this guy just said fuck it and inhaled all the copium:

These ones aren’t even bad. Look at Avowed now that is a stinker

 

[adamsapple]

And the gameplay could have been just as cinematic as the cutscenes. If that's not what you want then fine, but not sure why you want an Indiana Jones game at all frankly.

It's either a third person cinematic game or 'why you want the game in the first place'

This is the game Machine Games wants to make, why aren't we looking forward to what they're making instead of chiding what they aren't.

 

[Gudji]

Animations throughout the trailer are barely passable for last gen AA game and we got people saying it looks "amazing". Hell, this guy just said fuck it and inhaled all the copium:

You have to understand, after playing starfield these animations look fucking phenomenal to him.

 

[IDappa]

That's because there is nothing dictating that the game "must be" anything. But I don't get the push back on the suggestion that third person would be better either. Look.....I hope the game is great in first person, but I can't help but think they missed an opportunity here to make a truly great cinematic game with this choice.

I guess we won’t know until it comes out… I can only judge based off what I saw and what I saw was a tone that in more in line to the og trilogy than anything the new dogshit movies have done, with a focus on puzzles and an engaging story. It has me optimistic…

 

[Majormaxxx]

Recently replayed wolf 1 and old blood. Throwing looks exactly like the trailer. Except Indy throws rocks and not knives. Sneaking also feels the same.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Were people crying like this when RE7 was announced? Insanity.

Well, I did a little bit, but it is what it is.

If I had to pick based entirely on my personal preference, I'd go with 3rd person. But, like you said the game is coming from a first person studio and there are a lot of great games in first person.

If done right, first person can be much more immersive than 3rd person. And for those saying ridiculous things about not being able to see things chasing you when you run away, well that's like real life. I don't have eyes out the back of my head, not sure about others.

 

[Ramz87]

This gonna release on PS5 at any point?

 

[Senua]

Absolutely bizarre that this thread is blowing up because of the first person view. And a lot of it has to do with console wars indeed.

Machine Games are amazing and they are doing what they know how to do best. The trailer for the game looks awesome and yes, it’s refreshing to see a first person Indiana Jones. It’s giving me Dishonoured vibes with the stealth segments and puzzle sequences. Why would you not want that? The game has so much potential to be good that it’s breaking some people. The whole vibe and atmosphere is closer to the original film trilogy than the latest films. It’s what we want.

Were people crying like this when RE7 was announced? Insanity.

That's exactly what I thought, arkane vibes especially that rooftop section. I thought it was cool as shit and I wasn't interested in it at all before that presentation. Ofc I come to gaf and it's pure negativity. The anti first person brigade I didn't see coming though lmao. Didn't we all just love Robocop? I never heard anyone say Half life could've been better as a TPS. It's a new world

 

[DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy]

I actually prefer that it’s FP. Machine games make primarily FPS. I think if they had tried to put effort into making it 3rd person (and outside their comfort zone) it would’ve been wasted effort that can now be use on more important aspects of the game.

 

[ManaByte]

This gonna release on PS5 at any point?

 

[Topher]

Because there hasn't been an Indy game in 20 years and the last two games were pretty generic Tomb Raider clones.

Eh....that's fine, but if you are going to make a movie game (which this is) then I think third person is the way to go. I'll be happy to be wrong and if it is a kick ass game then I'll say so.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Hot damn I wake up after some sleep and this thread is 18 pages?!

Most OT's dont even reach this length

Quibble Wars

 

[StueyDuck]

I’m not one for ongoing argument's online as I do not have the time. All I will say is agree to disagree.

However I will say their focus on puzzles and keeping within tone of the of indy films has me intrigued… when you have a movie series which has people surviving a drop from a plane with a life raft and people tearing hearts out of others chests, jumping from one plane to another doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility in universe..

I’m a sucker for getting the last word in lol..

If call of indy is what people want then good for them.

The raft scene is openly mocked even when it was released for how moronic it was, jumping from one plane to another in midflight after a big call of duty shootout is entirely more ridiculous...

I'd recommend rewatching the movies and count how many "baddies" indy mows down with automatic weapons and how acrobatic he really is. Also how many puzzles there actually are.

They showed absolutely nothing in that gameplay that to me screamed Indiana Jones other than literal music and characters

 

[DenchDeckard]

And the gameplay could have been just as cinematic as the cutscenes. If that's not what you want then fine, but not sure why you want an Indiana Jones game at all frankly.

Because I grew up watching the movies. Fate of atlantis is one of my Fav GA's of all time....

Why not?

 

[adamsapple]

Absolutely bizarre that this thread is blowing up because of the first person view. And a lot of it has to do with console wars indeed.

Machine Games are amazing and they are doing what they know how to do best. The trailer for the game looks awesome and yes, it’s refreshing to see a first person Indiana Jones. It’s giving me Dishonoured vibes with the stealth segments and puzzle sequences. Why would you not want that? The game has so much potential to be good that it’s breaking some people. The whole vibe and atmosphere is closer to the original film trilogy than the latest films. It’s what we want.

Were people crying like this when RE7 was announced? Insanity.

The RE7 thing was much milder compared to this, as it was following the incredibly shitty RE6, so people were looking for the franchise to do something different.

But your first line is pretty accurate.

 

[CGNoire]

Hell yeah.

I hate the fact that its in first person but people dissing that awesome model arent making any sense.

 

[Sethbacca]

If done right, first person can be much more immersive than 3rd person.

Indy is more about spectacle than immersion though. I don't wanna be Indy, I wanna control Indy doing cool shit in a cinematic manner. I mean, I'm still going to try this game and I may end up liking it. My hype meter went from a 10 down to about a 3 or 4 though with the FPS reveal though.

 

[Clintizzle]

I would love third person, but with advanced physics and control we haven't seen before.

Make it weighty and make your decisions count.

Something like the first Tomb Raider in 1996 (the effect, not actual controls).

And it should be much more on the adventure side, shooter would just make it stupid and like everything else.

That copy/paste Wolfenstein first person knife throwing looked really bad.

Honestly, I don't think state of the art tech is something we can expect from any of the Bethesda/Zenimax studios. I can't remember anything they've put out that we can say was bleeding edge.

 

[CGNoire]

And the gameplay could have been just as cinematic as the cutscenes. If that's not what you want then fine, but not sure why you want an Indiana Jones game at all frankly.

People who praise cinematic cutscenes as a suitable substitute to interative gameplay have lost the whole point of the medium.

 

[BlackTron]

So to summarize, it's fine to want Indy in 3rd person but wanting Marathon in 3rd person is completely out of line. Understood!

I did get into some detail as well asking you about why Marathon being in 3rd person is so weird. It makes sense to me? Cosmetics, and they already cut to 3rd person a bit in previous games. Don't they also ride bikes in 3rd person? How you look in Marathon is likely to be far more important than Indiana Jones, since the whole economy will depend on it. But okay, off limits I guess. Back to bashing Indiana Jones.

No, you're changing the goalposts. You suggested that being exasperated with a first-person Marathon was somehow equal to being exasperated with a first-person Indiana Jones. Even though one of them only exists a FPS IP that hasn't seen the light of day in decades, and the other is an established giant movie IP that's had its own games, and other games inspired by it. In other words, we have some OUTSIDE CONCEPT OF WHAT INDIANA JONES IS OTHER THAN BEING A FIRST PERSON SHOOTER. Therefore we may have opinions on what type of gameplay style might be a better fit for it. Nobody ever had any idea what Marathon ever was until it showed up as a FPS game -it literally defines what the IP is from its creation, like Doom.

So I wouldn't say "well if Doom can be first person and work, why can't...Batman??" Well because we have an idea of what Batman is from comics, games, movies, and older video games already. Creating a basis to form an opinion on what the best fit is for Batman. I would have hoped, based on this history, that Arkham would be a third person game. I'm glad it was! There is no such basis to form an opinion for Marathon because it is literally defined by being a FPS game.

BTW. I play both first and third person games all the time. I have a nagging suspicion that many see this as nothing but a perspective change because they don't switch often, or ever, and fail to see the gameplay ramifications of the choosing one direction over the other. This is why some games work better as first person and others better as third depending on what type of gameplay and mechanics they prioritize. Being first person is a sign that it won't be the type of game I THINK fits Indiana Jones. The same way I think first person would be an indication that a Zelda title is not prioritizing the things I want to see out of it, or Doom not delivering the gameplay I expect from that IP were it third person.

 

[Deerock71]

Does it though?

I said what I said.

 

[adamsapple]

I hate the fact that its in first person but people dissing that awesome model arent making any sense.

There were posters making side by side comparisons with a youtube compressed picture with a direct feed Uncharted picture and genuinely using it as an example of the 'bad character modeling'.

You can't make that shit up, folks.

 

[Topher]

It's either a third person cinematic game or 'why you want the game in the first place'

Not sure why you are confused. Indiana Jones is by its very natue a cinematic game. If you want a first person game then just about anythng will do. We have first person games where the character is entirely silent. Indiana Jones should be front and center at all times if you want an cinematic experience. So yeah, I don't know why you want an Indiana Jones game if it isn't fully cinematic. Not that hard to understand.

This is the game Machine Games wants to make, why aren't we looking forward to what they're making instead of chiding what they aren't.

As I said before, if the game is kick ass then I'll happily admit I was wrong. Would not be the first time. But that's not going to stop me from expressing my doubts. Machine Games will get over my criticism, I assure you.

 

[midnightAI]

I hate the fact that its in first person but people dissing that awesome model arent making any sense.

Maybe because it doesn't always look like that?



In the scene above it looks more like something out of L.A.Noire (well maybe not that bad). The footage they have shown is a complete mish-mash of great looking and average looking.

 

[Draugoth]

This speaks for itself.

 

[Gudji]

This gonna release on PS5 at any point?

According to my calculations there's 69% probability of happening.

If not you can always buy it on steam just to shit on it in the review page - according to GAF experts that's a thing.

 

[CGNoire]

And for those saying ridiculous things about not being able to see things chasing you when you run away, well that's like real life. I don't have eyes out the back of my head, not sure about others.

Thats becaue people want to play and control similar scenes and compositions from the movies. Its not about recreating real life its about recreating a recognizable cinematic experience that they cherished watching.

 

[IDappa]

If call of indy is what people want then good for them.

The raft scene is openly mocked even when it was released for how moronic it was, jumping from one plane to another in midflight after a big call of duty shootout is entirely more ridiculous...

I'd recommend rewatching the movies and count how many "baddies" indy mows down with automatic weapons and how acrobatic he really is. Also how many puzzles there actually are.

They showed absolutely nothing in that gameplay that to me screamed Indiana Jones other than literal music and characters

So there’s never been biplanes with machine guns on the back in a Indy film?. I see you didn’t watch the reveal where he shoots a whole 3 bullets…. I really cannot get with these online bad faith arguments….

Honestly I do not wanna be that guys but if think the reveal didn’t scream indy then you’ve gotta rewatch the movies my man…

 

[Clintizzle]

The game looks very good and Machinegames are without of a doubt one of the best FPS studios. But I'm curious how well a linear FPS game sells in 2024? It's such a dead genre in the industry

Hope it will be a refreshing change from the bloated 30+ hour stuff that's become standard these days. A good 10-15 hour experience with good pacing is a winning formula imo.

Who knows what direction MG are going to take it though. Today's reveal didn't give too much detail.

 

[Topher]

I hate the fact that its in first person but people dissing that awesome model arent making any sense.

Agree. Actually that model looks so great that I want to see it all the time!

 

[Punished Miku]

No, you're changing the goalposts. You suggested that being exasperated with a first-person Marathon was somehow equal to being exasperated with a first-person Indiana Jones. Even though one of them only exists a FPS IP that hasn't seen the light of day in decades, and the other is an established giant movie IP that's had its own games, and other games inspired by it. In other words, we have some OUTSIDE CONCEPT OF WHAT INDIANA JONES IS OTHER THAN BEING A FIRST PERSON SHOOTER. Therefore we may have opinions on what type of gameplay style might be a better fit for it. Nobody ever had any idea what Marathon ever was until it showed up as a FPS game -it literally defines what the IP is from its creation, like Doom.

So I wouldn't say "well if Doom can be first person and work, why can't...Batman??" Well because we have an idea of what Batman is from comics, games, movies, and older video games already. Creating a basis to form an opinion on what the best fit is for Batman. I would have hoped, based on this history, that Arkham would be a third person game. I'm glad it was! There is no such basis to form an opinion for Marathon because it is literally defined by being a FPS game.

BTW. I play both first and third person games all the time. I have a nagging suspicion that many see this as nothing but a perspective change because they don't switch often, or ever, and fail to see the gameplay ramifications of the choosing one direction over the other. This is why some games work better as first person and others better as third depending on what type of gameplay and mechanics they prioritize. Being first person is a sign that it won't be the type of game I THINK fits Indiana Jones. The same way I think first person would be an indication that a Zelda title is not prioritizing the things I want to see out of it, or Doom not delivering the gameplay I expect from that IP were it third person.

Your whole argument boils down to expectations. That's fine if you can't get over any change at all and try something new with the IP. I'm not actually out to change your mind since you can play whatever you want. Everything stays the same. Marathon stays the same. Indy stays like the movies. Got it.

I try to rid myself of as many expectations as I possibly can and just play games for what they are and see if I enjoy it.

I don't know why you're going into gameplay implications in the last paragraph since you refuse to even entertain the possibility that 3rd person might be someone's preference for Marathon. Plenty of games can handle shooting in 3rd person. It's stuff like Indy where you're up close, interacting with objects and puzzle items that seems like it would benefit a bit more from 1st person. We just shouldn't even get into gameplay implications since it still doesn't make any sense why anyone would have a problem with my posts, and no one can explain it. Weird.

 

[NonPhixion]

I hope there’s lots of stealth missions and puzzles when you play as the girl.

 

[StueyDuck]

So there’s never been biplanes with machine guns on the back in a Indy film?. I see you didn’t watch the reveal where he shoots a whole 3 bullets…. I really cannot get with these online bad faith arguments….

Honestly I do not wanna be that guys but if think the reveal didn’t scream indy then you’ve gotta rewatch the movies my man…

Ah back to doing childish gotchas again and not reading a full sentence.

I would like you to quote the sentence where I said "there's never been biplanes with machine guns on the back in an indy film".

Again if you like call of indy that's fine. I'm gonna play it and probably forget it like all call of duty games. But Indiana Jones movies aren't just an invincible man running around murking nazis... its the lack of action that makes the setpieces in the movies so special.

Indy doesn't spend 80% of the movie punch nazis and shooting automatic guns and whipping guys off ledges.

Do you maybe just fast forward to the action scenes?

 

[Silver Wattle]

Looks super unpolished, also first person is disappointing.

"Great Circle" looks like they are continuing the awful naming from the recent terrible movie.

 

[Zathalus]

Robocop
Butchers Bay
Goldeneye
Alien: Isolation
Peter Jacksons King Kong

It seems movie games translates well to first person.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Might going to have to find time to squeeze in a little 360 Butcher Bay this weekend. I need a refresher on that Starbreeze melee.

 

[ManaByte]

Indy doesn't spend 80% of the movie punch nazis and shooting automatic guns and whipping guys off ledges.

It's a VIDEO GAME.

 

[ChiefDada]

I hate the fact that its in first person but people dissing that awesome model arent making any sense.

It's excellent. I love the character art style. But when that thing starts to move and talk...

 

[adamsapple]

Might going to have to find time to squeeze in a little 360 Butcher Bay this weekend. I need a refresher on that Starbreeze melee.

Damn shame neither the OG Xbox Butcher's Bay or the X360 Dark Athena version are backwards compatible

 

[StueyDuck]

It's a VIDEO GAME.

This is a silly rebuttal and you know it.

Games can be more than pew pew pew

 

[ManaByte]

Looks super unpolished, also first person is disappointing.

"Great Circle" looks like they are continuing the awful naming from the recent terrible movie.

It's an Indiana Jones title.

Raiders of the Lost Ark - Ark of the Covenant
Temple of Doom - A temple in India
Last Crusade - the last crusade for the Holy Grail
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - El Dorado with a Crystal alien skull
Dial of Destiny - The Antikythera device

 

[Punished Miku]

Robocop
Butchers Bay
Goldeneye
Alien: Isolation
Peter Jacksons King Kong

It seems movie games translates well to first person.

They did until yesterday.