Topher
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Nah....he's right that it will outperform PS5 in the vast majority of games.
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LTT has built a PC that outperforms PS5 at the same price point
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Nah....he's right that it will outperform PS5 in the vast majority of games.
FunkMiller
Member
True, but everything is completely subjective when you get right down to it.
But a proper analysis of cost benefit / drawback to paying out for a more expensive PC, as opposed to remaining in Sony's eco-system over a long period of time is something with some validity.
Topher
Gold Member
It would be interesting if AMD actually released an APU that is in the same power range of XSX and PS5. Eliminate the need for a dedicated GPU entirely. That would be a better comparison, but I'm wondering if AMD isn't allowed to release an APU like that due to their contracts with Sony and Microsoft.
ResilientBanana
Member
Umm. Yes. From both Microsoft and Sony for that matter.
bender
What time is it?
Valid but largely irrelevant as humans rarely look beyond upfront costs, especially for their hobbies.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Be a pro CoD player. You can use aim assist (lol). Maybe the easiest pro gamer out there.
DaleinCalgary
Member
Linus doesn't get why people play on consoles.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
PC will never match the price to performance of a 9th gen console, give the dream up budgetbros. using used parts to match the price of a new PS5 is so dumb since used PS5s can be cheaper (it's not 2020 anymore, scalpers have learnt their lesson and are selling these for cheap now
If you wanna game on PC you gotta shoot high. the bare minimum is 600-900 now.
If you wanna game on PC you gotta shoot high. the bare minimum is 600-900 now.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
But who sane trusts used consoles after YLOD and RROD, and especially one with no swappable internal SSD that is a time bomb?
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
it's also very easy to activate Windows without a key. I'm not listing any sources but just know that with modern tools and such it's practically trivial
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
it isn't 2007 anymore, also every console has soldered on flash memory since the Wii U. The OG Xbox's clock capacitators are just now running out.
either way, it's not just used consoles that are cheaper. There's open box, refurbished, brand New systems from resellers selling them for cheap, etc.
See you soon.
newtypepilot
Member
Linus Clickbait Tips
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Makes no difference being 2007 or not anymore. Chips still get hot and every SSD will die. I don't trust new console hardware, imagine used or refurbished.it isn't 2007 anymore, also every console has soldered on flash memory since the Wii U. The OG Xbox's clock capacitators are just now running out.
either way, it's not just used consoles that are cheaper. There's open box, refurbished, brand New systems from resellers selling them for cheap, etc.
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Schmendrick
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99% of the nonsense you utter about PC gaming in every single thread sounds like heresay from someone who has had a friend in the 90s whose cousin`s crush had a gaming PC once.
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bender
What time is it?
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Regular large slow forced updates? you mean the thing that's also on console too?
and Viruses? Bro, you're using STEAM to get these games. Maybe GOG and Epic too. You're never coming in contact with a virus.
Sushi_Combo
Member
Guaranteed problems.
Topher
Gold Member
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Like shitty IQ and/or performance for $70. Oh wait...
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
600 dollars is not a few hundred dollars, that's half a dozen hundred dollars
if it doesn't round up, it's not a few.
But also, 750 bucks AT MOST is not equal to double the cost of a PS5 digital, taht's 450 dollars. & they did mention you could get a nice one for 600 dollars too, so....
TBF using Intel Arc does guarantee problems. Even AMD drivers are leagues better these days. Good but a lot of catching up to do
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bender
What time is it?
Topher
Gold Member
Ah.....didn't think about that. I usually hear people talk about key sites selling ultra cheap. I'm spoiled since I have a MSDN subscription through work and I get it for free.
Yeah, but he was responding to he part of
MikeM
's comment on PC problems in general. If he was talking about a single piece of hardware known to have problem like what you are talking about then I would agree. Some folks here really go overboard with this PC problems narrative.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
those are bad sure but by that logic even a 4090 runs worse because it's got shader compilation and stutters. at some point you gotta accept that games will perform better if you have a nice build.
Also if you really hate stuttering and shader comp that much you can use Linux and circumvent all of that.
that's what happens when you get all the information on a platform from years old talking points and fanboyism, you assume that gaming is hell over there
PC gaming and Steam don't just get 140 million MAU by being a "buggy, expensive, unstable and broken experience with no first party and constant driver issues".
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
what can a 1k+ PC give you that suddenly makes it comparable to the PS5?
that 750 dollar 6700xt build looked pretty snazzy for what you get
Sushi_Combo
Member
Eh, no biggie.
sachos
Member
Building a "$500" PC going around hunting for used parts, not including the case, peripherals nor the gamepad into the budget. All so that they get multiple games with HDR issues, Ratchet crashes, worse load times and some possible worse 1% frame times due to Arc driver issues. It get worse when you realize they should be either comparing to the 400 digital PS5 or adding a 4K BR player into the budget too.
He basically gives the "win" to the PS5 in the conclusion at 19 min.
Says it is still hard to match the value with new parts and maybe it will take 1 or 2 years more to beat it with a brand new PC at same price point.
Im a PC fan but this generation has proved to be a price/performance powerhouse.
He basically gives the "win" to the PS5 in the conclusion at 19 min.
Says it is still hard to match the value with new parts and maybe it will take 1 or 2 years more to beat it with a brand new PC at same price point.
Im a PC fan but this generation has proved to be a price/performance powerhouse.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
And by the time that's the case we'll have a PS5 Pro to watch out for
Bernardougf
Gold Member
Pretty soon is going to be the only War left ... and if Sony launchs all games day 01 on pc .. wtf are we going to fight for ? Soccer ? Fuck me.
sendit
Member
Ron Mexico
Member
The way I'd like to see the comps made is far too unsexy for a YT video title.
There's never been any opposition that PC can do more than just play games. It's just part and parcel with the nature of a PC. I think a more interesting comparison would be the cost of a console vs. that same cost into upgrading essentially a barebones PC. Essentially the imperfect science of teasing out exactly how much of the PC build would go towards gaming specifically. (And a GPU alone would be the closest but still not all inclusive)
That same imperfection would keep it from ever being a rock solid metric as there's a lot of proprietary bullshit in both consoles and OEM manufacturers.
Yes, a PC can do XYZ in addition to gaming. The minimum cost to do that XYZ is $X. The cost for a consumer to do XYZ and play games at a console level is $Y. The cost to own a console and have a PC that can do the basic XYZ is $Z. Then which becomes the better value.
Not perfect. Never will be perfect but a more appropriate measuring stick nevertheless. Not that it'll ever happen. Instead we get videos (and commentary) like this.
There's never been any opposition that PC can do more than just play games. It's just part and parcel with the nature of a PC. I think a more interesting comparison would be the cost of a console vs. that same cost into upgrading essentially a barebones PC. Essentially the imperfect science of teasing out exactly how much of the PC build would go towards gaming specifically. (And a GPU alone would be the closest but still not all inclusive)
That same imperfection would keep it from ever being a rock solid metric as there's a lot of proprietary bullshit in both consoles and OEM manufacturers.
Yes, a PC can do XYZ in addition to gaming. The minimum cost to do that XYZ is $X. The cost for a consumer to do XYZ and play games at a console level is $Y. The cost to own a console and have a PC that can do the basic XYZ is $Z. Then which becomes the better value.
Not perfect. Never will be perfect but a more appropriate measuring stick nevertheless. Not that it'll ever happen. Instead we get videos (and commentary) like this.
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Yep. Bang for buck gets better as you shoot higher and get access to tech like DLSS 3.5(upscale, frame gen, rt recon).
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Which is completely ass-backwards. NVIDIA has completely shifted the market to the point budget options are absolute shit. The 4060 is barely faster than the 3060 which in turn wasn't even that much faster than the 2060S. The 60 cards have effectively been stagnating for over 3 years which is insane considering 60/70 tiers have traditionally been the sweet spot when it comes to price/performance.
That the 4090 was actually a better deal than the 4080 until January when the latter dropped to $1000 is utterly insane.
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onnextflix5
Member
Windows, 4k blu ray drive, controller,?
apples to apples plz,
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sendit
Member
How does that solve the problem of exclusives? I would pay 2000 dollars for a PS5 if it was the only place I could play Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
mrcroket
Member
It will be released on PC in May
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Most people are okay with DF's stuff. It's these dumb Linus videos that people hate.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
PS5 still wins, at least for another year.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I should clarify I mean a new, complete PC relative to a PS5. Not GPU vs GPU.
sendit
Member
How does that solve the problem of "I can't play Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth on PC now"? You asked for an excuse, you're given an excuse. Now you're skirting around the excuse.
Additionally, the notice is FF7Rebirth will be exclusive to PS5 until May. What does that mean exactly? FF7 Remake was also a timed exclusive for 6 months. FF7 Remake was then released on the PC almost two years later after the initial release on the PS4.
Vroadstar
Member
Please understand the OP, he's going through one of the 7 stages of grief for his beloved plastic box. That complete 180 about PC gaming though yikes.
It's funny because of how many people's double standards work,.
Sony is much closer to release all their games on day 1 on pc than xbox is on playstation, right now we have all the main playstation sagas (uncharted, god of war, ratchet and clank...) available on pc, and they recently released a game on day 1 on pc.
Microsoft hasn't done anything like that yet, but hey, xbox on playstation on day 1 is confirmed if you read between the lines but playstation on pc no way!
Hilarious
kazuyamishima
Member
Not to put your hopes down, but FFXVI was supposed to be released in January 2024, but here we are.
Anyway, the Niche-Man 2 Slim Bundle is going for $449 nationwide in the US at Gamestop and BB at least.
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