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[Killjoy-NL]

I get the impression that this will be a "Plans changed" and/or "Despite SIE pouring millions into it, they decided not to release it on a whim." Embracing the blow back because his sub count exploded as a result of pushing this narrative.

With the PS4 pro we had dev confirmation and SIE documentations explaining the road map. With this... Hardware version of vapour. I'll get one day 1, if true. It's the lack of evidence beyond those pushing podcasts and asking for subs that has me sceptical.

People should take into consideration that current gen is an entirely different situation from last-gen.

Even moreso now that MS effectively threw in the towel.

There is very little reason to release a Pro this gen.

In fact, if people really care about those few extra frames and ray-tracing, they can just wait 2 or 3 years for a PC release.

 

[Horseganador]

Playing GTAVI, Death Stranding 2, plus everything that ND, Santa Monica, Bend, Bluepoint, Insomniac is preparing at the level of a 4070 will be worth it, and if they patch previous games like Demons souls (incredible for a launch) or GT7 with RT ingame then even better.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

This part is new from you. What aren't you telling us hmmmm?

Is it?

I am usually very careful how I word things when it comes to stuff like this

 

[Shwing]

Personally I think this is were companies have been going wrong all these years... If you intend to introduce a Pro model, focus on hitting a high spec, and forget about coming in at a lowish price point. If the spec is beefy enough, people who want it will pay for it. The most important thing for these people (myself included) is the power of the machine... Not the price. So long as the performance justifies the price, we're all good.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Personally I think this is were companies have been going wrong all these years... If you intend to introduce a Pro model, focus on hitting a high spec, and forget about coming in at a lowish price point. If the spec is beefy enough, people who want it will pay for it. The most important thing for these people (myself included) is the power of the machine... Not the price. So long as the performance justifies the price, we're all good.

If that is true, Sony wouldn't have been struggling with the PS3 at launch at €599.

And that is ignoring the fact that Kutagari initially wanted to have the PS3 run on 2 CELL-processors, which would've increased the price even more.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

If that is true, Sony wouldn't have been struggling with the PS3 at launch at €599.

And that is ignoring the fact that Kutagari initially wanted to have the PS3 run on 2 CELL-processors, which would've increased the price even more.

$599+ sure doesn't appeal to the masses, good thing the Pro is optional and most wont even want it

 

[Shwing]

If that is true, Sony wouldn't have been struggling with the PS3 at launch at €599.

And that is ignoring the fact that Kutagari initially wanted to have the PS3 run on 2 CELL-processors, which would've increased the price even more.

Yeah, but that was an earlier time... Before the advent of a midlife Pro console. It used to be one sku for the complete generation, whereas nowadays people are open to the idea of a beefier model (nay, insist on a beefier option).

 

[Killjoy-NL]

$599+ sure doesn't appeal to the masses, good thing the Pro is optional and most wont even want it

Yeah, overlooked the "Pro"- part.
It does make a difference.

Although, personally, a possible Pro at €599 is a day 1 purchase.
At €699, no chance I'll buy one.
Might as well wait a bit longer for PS6, which will likely be cheaper than €699, or at worst same price.

 

[Gaiff]

This part is new from you. What aren't you telling us hmmmm?

You have to look at the context. He was saying that following comments talking about 4080-tier level of performance which isn't even possible at a reasonable TDP. If you were expecting a 4080 but only got a 3080, of course you'd be disappointed. If you were expecting a 3080 and got a 4070, then you wouldn't be exactly let down.

 

[Little Mac]

I would be looking for 4070 levels of real world performance

I’m pc gaming technology iliterate. How much of a boost is that above the current PS5? I think Helldivers 2 runs at 1080p 60 in performance mode on PS5. Theoretically what would the Pro run it at if the 4070 was roughly the target?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I’m pc gaming technology iliterate. How much of a boost is that above the current PS5? I think Helldivers 2 runs at 1080p 60 in performance mode on PS5. Theoretically what would the Pro run it at?

Probably 1440p/60. Lol

 

[Little Mac]

Probably 1440p/60. Lol

 

[Zuzu]

If the PS5 Pro has some dedicated upscaling hardware then, if they were to patch it properly, they may be able to take a 1440p internal resolution and upscale it nicely to something like 4k, so the end result could turn out better. But yeah, internal rez would probably be around 1440p.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Sony!

 

[ChiefDada]

$599+ sure doesn't appeal to the masses, good thing the Pro is optional and most wont even want it

I dunno I think GTA VI will propel PS5 Pro many times beyond the success of PS4 Pro. I believe that's the kind of pull that franchise has. If there was no GTA VI this gen then I would agree.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I dunno I think GTA VI will propel PS5 Pro many times beyond the success of PS4 Pro. I believe that's the kind of pull that franchise has. If there was no GTA VI this gen then I would agree.

I do too I think GTA VI is going to be an all timer type of game that moves consoles and said it earlier today again that MS might very well be banking on that idea with trying to push nextbox out around launch of it as well.

I 100% plan on playing GTA VI on the PS5 Pro UNLESS the specs floating around for nextbox are accurate and it launches on time

 

[Gaiff]

If they bundle GTA VI would the PS5 Pro, that could move a lot of units. They probably won't do that though.

 

[Pelta88]

People should take into consideration that current gen is an entirely different situation from last-gen.

Even moreso now that MS effectively threw in the towel.

There is very little reason to release a Pro this gen.

In fact, if people really care about those few extra frames and ray-tracing, they can just wait 2 or 3 years for a PC release.

Even if they were considering a Pro, the bolded would have to be taken into account. Your competitor heading for the exit while porting the ip to your platform negates the need for a pro.

At that point it seems like a vanity project. I mean, who exactly are you competing against?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

People should take into consideration that current gen is an entirely different situation from last-gen.

Even moreso now that MS effectively threw in the towel.

There is very little reason to release a Pro this gen.

In fact, if people really care about those few extra frames and ray-tracing, they can just wait 2 or 3 years for a PC release.

With what is being said I feel exactly the opposite, they better get that Pro on the street this holiday

Too much smoke about a very powerful nextbox coming sooner rather than later and watch and see how much traction this gets the closer we get to PS5 Pro launch

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

With what is being said I feel exactly the opposite, they better get that Pro on the street this holiday

Too much smoke about a very powerful nextbox coming sooner rather than later and watch and see how much traction this gets the closer we get to PS5 Pro launch

At this point MS releasing a more powerful console will do nothing for the market. They will still have to plan their stuff for Series S most likely lmao.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

At this point MS releasing a more powerful console will do nothing for the market. They will still have to plan their stuff for Series S most likely lmao.

Most likely wont change anything and I am in no way saying this is what they need to do to be in a better place.

I am saying some at the round table THINK getting that nextbox out there in time for GTA VI might move the needle. (Just repeating things being said)

I for one would buy a nextbox just for GTA VI if its by far the best place to play it

 

[Imtjnotu]

At this point MS releasing a more powerful console will do nothing for the market. They will still have to plan their stuff for Series S most likely lmao.

That and them constantly saying you don't need an Xbox to play Xbox games...

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Most likely wont change anything and I am in no way saying this is what they need to do to be in a better place.

I am saying some at the round table THINK getting that nextbox out there in time for GTA VI might move the needle. (Just repeating things being said)

I for one would buy a nextbox just for GTA VI if its by far the best place to play it

Xbox has the best console on the market since the beginning of this gen. That doesn't mean most third party look much better in it.
Sony releasing a Pro this year with GTAVI next year, specially with what i'm sure will be a marketing deal if anything is going to make people buy more PS5...not Xboxes.

A PS5 Pro releasing for like 600$ will be expensive as hell...MS releasing a console around that price or more expensive...most gamers won't care. The average gamer wants a console that runs GTAVI and they will buy a slim PS5. That's it.

I can already imagine all the exclusive stuff for GTA Online PS is about to have.

It's the biggest, most important 3rd party game of the generation. Sony will be all over this.

GTAVI will move PS5s...not Xboxes.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Xbox has the best console on the market since the beginning of this gen. That doesn't mean most third party look much better in it.
Sony releasing a Pro this year with GTAVI next year, specially with what i'm sure will be a marketing deal if anything is going to make people buy more PS5...not Xboxes.

A PS5 Pro releasing for like 600$ will be expensive as hell...MS releasing a console around that price or more expensive...most gamers won't care. The average gamer wants a console that runs GTAVI and they will buy a slim PS5. That's it.

I can already imagine all the exclusive stuff for GTA Online PS is about to have.

It's the biggest, most important 3rd party game of the generation. Sony will be all over this.

GTAVI will move PS5s...not Xboxes.

Current consoles are close enough it doesn't matter imo

The leap (on paper) for nextbox looks impressive even over the PS5 Pro, but may come at a prohibitive cost to most consumers

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Current consoles are close enough it doesn't matter imo

The leap (on paper) for nextbox looks impressive even over the PS5 Pro, but may come at a prohibitive cost to most consumers

That's the thing. I mean, if a Pro csts like $600 what would the next Xbox cost? The market is too price sensitive and no one is going to move from PS to Xbox for a box that's like 650 or more.

 

[MasterCornholio]

That's the thing. I mean, if a Pro csts like $600 what would the next Xbox cost? The market is too price sensitive and no one is going to move from PS to Xbox for a box that's like 650 or more.

That's something that bothers me with the theory.

If the PS5 Pro releases this year at 600$ and the Next Xbox releases a year later at the same price.

How much more powerful can it be than the PS5 Pro?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

That's the thing. I mean, if a Pro csts like $600 what would the next Xbox cost? The market is too price sensitive and no one is going to move from PS to Xbox for a box that's like 650 or more.

I think the next highest tier Xbox will cost $1000+

But the basic next Xbox will be a dock that you can connect to a handheld controller, at a much cheaper price

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I think the next highest tier Xbox will cost $1000+

But the basic next Xbox will be a dock that you can connect to a handheld controller, at a much cheaper price

You're likely spot on

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

You're likely spot on

I seriously think Sony will do the same thing for PS6, and I wonder if it’ll piss off their audience as a result.

The thing is, mobile tech is getting super impressive with RE4 running on current day phones. Sony probably wants to compete with Switch in Japan and globally for the handheld market

But they will need a platform that scales from mobile all the way up to high end, so that software support is there for both.

 

[King Dazzar]

I seriously think Sony will do the same thing for PS6, and I wonder if it’ll piss off their audience as a result.

The thing is, mobile tech is getting super impressive with RE4 running on current day phones. Sony probably wants to compete with Switch in Japan and globally for the handheld market

But they will need a platform that scales from mobile all the way up to high end, so that software support is there for both.

I see it for Xbox. But I dont for PS6. If Sony's next gen only has a handheld and very expensive high end option, the pushback I think would be huge.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I see it for Xbox. But I dont for PS6. If Sony's next gen only has a handheld and very expensive high end option, the pushback I think would be huge.

I’m not so sure.

They could price the dock cheap for their mass market consumers

And the hardcore would just be happy with a very high spec machine

The series S was a flop because the cost difference wasn’t big enough, but the power gap was. And the S didn’t have the capability of installing onto a handheld like the switch, so that limited its appeal.

 

[Quantum253]

$599+ sure doesn't appeal to the masses, good thing the Pro is optional and most wont even want it

Let's hope that's the case when it hits the market and it becomes an impossible task to find one.
I just found a Portal.
This is the first system platform (outside of the Wii) that if you do not pre-order what you "could" be interested in advance, you will not be able to check it out. Otherwise, you'll have to wait months to years due to the current market (scalpers/online retailers/etc.) especially if the system becomes hyper-popular and then the scalpers come out in force ensuring low stocks for a longer period.
I'll probably pre-order, because I like the new tech, but also knowing I won't get one for a long period after launch.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

My guess:

PS6 Dock $299

PS6 Handheld accessory screen/controller $199

PS6 Pro $799

All available day 1 @ launch

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

My guess:

PS6 Dock $299

PS6 Handheld accessory screen/controller $199

PS6 Pro $799

All available day 1 @ launch

I have always wanted a pro style to launch along side the standard console and really make it a monster especially for Playstation

 

[onQ123]

I think people fail to understand why there is a pro console lol

It's only here to continue selling a console at the higher price after the base console gets old & the die shrink allows it to be sold at a cheap price.

They're not gonna make a console so powerful that it becomes hard to sell you the next generation console in a few years.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

Most likely wont change anything and I am in no way saying this is what they need to do to be in a better place.

I am saying some at the round table THINK getting that nextbox out there in time for GTA VI might move the needle. (Just repeating things being said)

I for one would buy a nextbox just for GTA VI if its by far the best place to play it

It sounds like GTA is going to be in the first half of 2025 though, wouldn't a late 2025 xbox miss that?

 

[onQ123]

It sounds like GTA is going to be in the first half of 2025 though, wouldn't a late 2025 xbox miss that?

GTA sell for years

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It sounds like GTA is going to be in the first half of 2025 though, wouldn't a late 2025 xbox miss that?

IF GTA makes early 2025 than yeah but I think early 2025 or possibly 2025 in general is optimistic

 

[Wooxsvan]

My guess:

PS6 Dock $299

PS6 Handheld accessory screen/controller $199

PS6 Pro $799

All available day 1 @ launch

gimme

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

gimme

Gonna be an expensive haul for someone like me that wants it all

You’re looking at $1300 for the entire kit

 

[JerryinSoCal]

GTA sell for years

Yeah but for an xbox launch to be 6 months later isn't going to move the needle in any real way IMO, if it launched alongside or before it? MAYBE it'd change things slightly but again it would have to be at a price point that made sense. I really don't see it mattering much one way or the other, they've had 4 generations now and they've been moving backwards the last two even though they've outspent their competition to a crazy level. The issue with xbox has never been the tech it's been the constantly changing vision and the people at the top not getting it, people can love Phil all they want because he says the right things in interviews and he actually plays games but what does he do to back up the words? They haven't created a single new IP that has brought people to xbox since he's been in charge, before he took over for Mattrick he was running their studios too so he's been involved in that side of the business for a long time.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

IF GTA makes early 2025 than yeah but I think early 2025 or possibly 2025 in general is optimistic

Is that based on the past or have you heard something? They've never taken this long to develop a game before so I would think they've got to be fairly close to the finish line.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Is that based on the past or have you heard something? They've never taken this long to develop a game before so I would think they've got to be fairly close to the finish line.

I haven't heard anything on GTAs progress

 

[PUNKem733]

Strix Halo is rumoured to reach 4070 max Q performance so I don't know what's so funny about that.

I thought he was talking about PS6. If this is about the pro I agree.

 

[Interfectum]

I seriously think Sony will do the same thing for PS6, and I wonder if it’ll piss off their audience as a result.

The thing is, mobile tech is getting super impressive with RE4 running on current day phones. Sony probably wants to compete with Switch in Japan and globally for the handheld market

But they will need a platform that scales from mobile all the way up to high end, so that software support is there for both.

They need to reboot the platform and just call it Playstation.
- Playstation Pro: $1,200+, competes with high end PCs
- Playstation: default console
- Playstation Portable: low end spec Playstation portable, can reach the power of the default console with a dock (sold sep).

- Plays PS1-5 games.
- For the next 10-15 years the new Playstation and future consoles will be forward and backwards compatible.
- Official PS keyboard and mouse hardware and support with future plans to release a desk version of Playstation to compete directly with PC (mods, expandability, LED lights, Mountain Dew coupons)

 

[Quantum253]

I do too I think GTA VI is going to be an all timer type of game that moves consoles and said it earlier today again that MS might very well be banking on that idea with trying to push nextbox out around launch of it as well.

I 100% plan on playing GTA VI on the PS5 Pro UNLESS the specs floating around for nextbox are accurate and it launches on timeIs

Is this the current specs floating for the NEXtBox?
8-core AMD zen 2 processor running at 3.8GHz. AMD RDNA 2 graphics with 12 teraflops and 52 compute units clocked at 1.825GHz, 16GB of GDDR6 RAM Custom PCIe 4.0 NVME 1TB Solid-State Drive (SSD).

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

They need to reboot the platform and just call it Playstation.
- Playstation Pro: $1,200+, competes with high end PCs
- Playstation: default console
- Playstation Portable: low end spec Playstation portable, can reach the power of the default console with a dock (sold sep).

- Plays PS1-5 games.
- For the next 10-15 years the new Playstation and future consoles will be forward and backwards compatible.
- Official PS keyboard and mouse hardware and support with future plans to release a desk version of Playstation to compete directly with PC (mods, expandability, LED lights, Mountain Dew coupons)

Wouldn’t be a bad approach, but that’s a ton of projects to juggle

 

[Gaiff]

They need to reboot the platform and just call it Playstation.
- Playstation Pro: $1,200+, competes with high end PCs
- Playstation: default console
- Playstation Portable: low end spec Playstation portable, can reach the power of the default console with a dock (sold sep).

- Plays PS1-5 games.
- For the next 10-15 years the new Playstation and future consoles will be forward and backwards compatible.
- Official PS keyboard and mouse hardware and support with future plans to release a desk version of Playstation to compete directly with PC (mods, expandability, LED lights, Mountain Dew coupons)

I don't think trying to cast their net so wide as to include the entire market is a sound strategy. Sony owns the premium console gaming space and they should play to their strengths. That's what Nintendo does. When Sony massively deviated from their strategy with the PS3, it backfired. When Microsoft tried to chase casual Wii gamers, it backfired as well.

Chasing high-end PC is also suicidal. No matter how high Sony prices their consoles, they won't be able to compete with high-end desktop-class parts. At a certain point, it's no longer just price but also the laws of thermodynamics. Sony couldn't feasibly produce a machine that competes with a 4080/4090 today simply because they have to maintain a TDP and form factor. AMD doesn't have components on the level of a 4080 that could fit inside a console case and stay at 200W or less. That and at $1200, high-end enthusiasts will a lot more out of their machines than just playing video games. Plus, the market isn't that large.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Is this the current specs floating for the NEXtBox?
8-core AMD zen 2 processor running at 3.8GHz. AMD RDNA 2 graphics with 12 teraflops and 52 compute units clocked at 1.825GHz, 16GB of GDDR6 RAM Custom PCIe 4.0 NVME 1TB Solid-State Drive (SSD).

Not for the traditional console and have no clue what the fabled handheld looks like

 

[playsaves3]

I see dreams are running wild again, I will be there no matter what but this thing won't have 4080 performance lol.

That statement was only under the assumption this console was 699 instead of 599