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Tomb Raider Review Thread!
- Thread starter Tricky I Shadow
- Start date
The difference is that the "good" opinion falls more like "that looks good, I will purchase it". The actual judgment of whether it IS good falls after that purchase and play.
The "bad" line is coming as "this game is bad, it's not Tomb Raider", etc.
One is a summary judgment, the other is not. If somebody said "this doesn't sound like it's my type of game", I don't think anybody would object.
A huge issue coming across here is that some (many?) people aren't able to separate "not for me" from "bad". I don't like Romantic Comedies. They're not for me. Love, Actually is a romantic comedy that's is good. Valentine's Day is a romantic comedy that is bad. On any given day, I'd rather watch Crank. That's how understanding that an entire industry doesn't cater to you works. I'm happy that movies I like and others hate (Crank) are made, just like I'm happy that movies I dislike and others love (Love, Actually) are made. They keep us all happy. I think that there's a feeling of ownership that's keeping some from looking at the final product objectively.
Barrel Cannon
Member
Was gonna ignore the reviews and any hate it got because the developer playthroughs looked great to me, with enough genuine choice and branching paths in it's levels. Surprisingly all the reviews are praising it. Color me surprised 
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.Derrick: "The TPS gameplay is tired. The AI is bad. Reviews say this yet give it an 8. I give it a 4."
Reviews: "The combat in general is quite good."
It's getting old, dude. It's not your thing and that's fine, but you're pushing that the mechanics are played out and poorly executed while everyone who's actually played it is saying the polar opposite. It's getting beyond harsh criticism on your part.
Reviews: "The combat in general is quite good."
It's getting old, dude. It's not your thing and that's fine, but you're pushing that the mechanics are played out and poorly executed while everyone who's actually played it is saying the polar opposite. It's getting beyond harsh criticism on your part.
So we don't have to worry about your subjective opinions shitting up the Infinite or Ascension threads?! Fuckin A!
Watched the GT review. The graphics are great and the TPS gameplay seems very competent. What I hated was Laura constantly being out of breath, speaking dramatically, crying, moaning while mashing X to remove a sharp object from her ribs. But Far Cry 3 was one of my favorite games last year so I'm ok with annoying/one-trick characterization if the gameplay holds up.
So every game needs to have a different jumping mechanic cause pressing a button to lift from the floor has been done too many times. Right.
Ravensmash
Member
And yet you place so much emphasis on highlighting it's faults, and how the gameplay is like a trainwreck, based on preconceived opinions and biases, and talk about how it's everything that's wrong with modern gaming - yet you'll gladly spend money and invest hours in it?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you do this with Hitman too?
GoddyofAus
Banned
Whoever creates the Infinite OT should put a tally app in the OP which tells us how many times the words "System" and "Shock" have been used in the thread.
Mmmmm mmm mmm
Nope I will be there picking those apart too. Bioshock (and Levine) especially has a lot to live up to after how bad 1 was.
Inorigo said:
Reviews have never once praised bad games or bad elements before. Nope.
Galacticos
Banned
Dropped to 86 on Metacritic because of Gamereactor Sweden (7/10) and Machinima (6/10).
Well, congrats to Tricky. It seems he was right about the quality of the game, at least from an "overall" perspective. His persistence in the face of limitless skepticism is, now, admirable.
It still doesn't interest me much, and there's no way I'm paying full price for it, but now I am more interested to play it at some point. Hopefully before the end of the year, so I can consider it.
Eagerly await Brad from Giant Bomb to weigh in with the Quick Look.
It still doesn't interest me much, and there's no way I'm paying full price for it, but now I am more interested to play it at some point. Hopefully before the end of the year, so I can consider it.
Eagerly await Brad from Giant Bomb to weigh in with the Quick Look.
Paul Alexander
Member
C'mon, if he doesn't play it then how else will he justify leveling criticisms at its gameplay?
Oh. Right.
cutmeamango
Banned
I think he's the one that actually needs help here =P
Lord Phol
Member
That's what I'm saying, basing ur opinion on the review text might have some more value to it than basing it on just the score but it's still just as silly. You can't highlight one part of a review just to ignore the other, they go hand in hand, score and text.
For the love of God, please don't buy it.
Glad to see the positive reviews. Hopefully it won't end up being the disappointment that Absolution was, but I do like what I've seen/read for Tomb Raider more than I did for Hitman.
Yup. And there's no better way to pick a game apart then to do it without experiencing it firsthand, amirite bro?
I think he does this to every game he hates. Which is... I think practically every game.
I'm without words.
Vire
Member
LightofRohan
Member
Dues Ex and maybe some game that is universally praised that you would look like an ass saying is bad.
But generally in life, it's much much easier to hate. It really devoids all personal attachment to anything so you can never be attacked for your interests, it gets to a point where people actually get excited for not liking a movie/game because they can feel confident in their opinion. It's much easier to justify why you hate something than why you love something... love is awkward and vulnerable. Deep.
GoddyofAus
Banned
And yet you are automatically deciding now that they are in this case.
This has gone beyond the realm of Cynicism and well into the territory of narcissism.
He does that to Bioshock all the time, for no other reason I assume except that Irrational decided to make a fresh franchise instead of return to SS.
Yeah. I think by now his tag is actually a sarcasm by moderators.
CambriaRising
Member
Do us all a favor and don't.
And also The Walking Dead, which funny enough is a culmination of GODAWFUL game design.
Fixed that for you.
Shit everyone cancel your pre-orders!
"it got an 8, they said it was kinda good....sorta, for the most part?"
How could anyone question something so rock solid
EdwardTivrusky
Member
It was good while it lasted, Action/Adventure with puzzles.
Someone will come along with a Tomb Raider game. Nature abhors a vacuum.
Vire
Member
We need people like him though to keep the rest in line. Otherwise everyone would get along, and we can't have that.
Speaking of Hitman I find it funny how everyone is throwing the "you need to play it before saying its bad" line yet again when I was 100% right about that game. It's proof that if you pay attention to what's going on you can accurately make a judgement. We don't live in the era where games only get into a magazine every couple months and that's all we see or hear about it until release.
Glass Rebel
Member
"Tomb Raider is a game. It has been in production for 4 years. Properly applied, that's how long a good console should last. So Tomb Raider, it's true, you have gotten these scores."
Or maybe we stop trying to turn every thread where he posts in in a thread about him, it's equally tiresome.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
So it seems like, while the game is a good game - as a standalone title - it isn't a "good" Tomb Raider game. That's about what I expected, though it's nevertheless very disappointing.
I hope Crystal Dynamics eventually makes another Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light game. I don't want the old Tomb Raider style of games to be dead.
I hope Crystal Dynamics eventually makes another Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light game. I don't want the old Tomb Raider style of games to be dead.
ubersticky
Member
Ugh, I love P&R
Ravensmash
Member
We can expect a wave of cynicism being thrown upon every point in the build up to that release then.
What are you defining or basing 'bad game' on? Your biases? Honestly, if games like this and Hitman disgust you so much, then just ignore them and play something else. I'm not saying that just because you're expressing a negative viewpoint, but because you seem to express a negative viewpoint throughout the course of the thread before even touching the title, and then dismiss anything which may counter your argument as being irrelevant or a mistake on their part.
"This is shit, it will suck"
"Review/Impressions: This is good"
"Looks crap still"
Ha, sometimes I wonder if most gamers are like that :/
Guys, it's okay...
Thank you for continually posting pictures of Camilla in this time of severe stress.
The stake that sticks up gets hammered down.
SniperHunter
Banned
how many gigs is the PC download version?
None of the reviews I've read take away any of my fear that this is a game with a 'check the box' design without any real vision behind it. So I can easily see where Derrick is coming from,
Review scores might be good, but it's hard to put much value in those after games like Heavy Rain and Final Fantasy XIII.
Review scores might be good, but it's hard to put much value in those after games like Heavy Rain and Final Fantasy XIII.
So it seems like, while the game is a good game - as a standalone title - it isn't a "good" Tomb Raider game. That's about what I expected, though it's nevertheless very disappointing.
I hope Crystal Dynamics eventually makes another Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light game. I don't want the old Tomb Raider style of games to be dead.
It basically sounds like it's DmC Redux. Not a 'bad' game, but not really a good game for the franchise its named after
Paul Alexander
Member
^^^^
You said it was bad. It was a good game. You were wrong.
Stop feeding NeoGod, please.
CadetMahoney
Member
Should be interesting.
GoddyofAus
Banned
Fucking stop, I'm already depressed from lonliness.