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China warns Trump against abandoning Paris climate agreement
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Fulminator
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i'm not, you're correct in the regard that china is the world's number one producer of greenhouse gases, but that isn't the whole story, as china has an enormous population as well, which obviously plays a role into why there is so much gas produced
i'm not saying that China is great, obviously they still need to improve quite a bit too, but there are areas that they do excel in over the US
regardless, I'm glad China wants to keep focusing on renewable energy, and I'm glad they're calling Trump out on his plan to reinvigorate the fossil fuel industries
They are far less than great because from what I've been reading their transparency is bottom of the barrel. No one has a clue they just extrapolate with data and numbers that they can't even verify because China doesn't supply the information. It feels like China has been given a ton of slack just so that the world can say they are on board.
Also forget their renewable energy "focus" you say they have because if they are hiding data then nothing they say they are doing matters. It looks like they are bsing everyone.
IndoAssassin
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So if China produces enough electricity from renewables to power all of France and Germany combined, then why aren't Germany and France 100% renewable energy yet?
This nationalism bullshit needs to stop. Yah China has major human rights issues, but Americans are the hypocrites now since you just elected a rapist and pro-torture dude as your leader, who thinks science is a Chinese hoax.
Face it, it doesn't matter where you are in the world, rich people run the shit. Same shit that happened with lead corporations and tobacco corporations, is now happening with fossil fuel corporations.
Even when the world goes to shit they will still figure out ways to divide the populace on these issues.
This nationalism bullshit needs to stop. Yah China has major human rights issues, but Americans are the hypocrites now since you just elected a rapist and pro-torture dude as your leader, who thinks science is a Chinese hoax.
Face it, it doesn't matter where you are in the world, rich people run the shit. Same shit that happened with lead corporations and tobacco corporations, is now happening with fossil fuel corporations.
Even when the world goes to shit they will still figure out ways to divide the populace on these issues.
BladeoftheImmortal
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a minorty of people.
Sky Interloper
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Not surprising, considering China has been spearheading both research in renewable energy and installations, especially in the cases of solar and wind generation. Of course this doesn't mean that CO2 emissions are going to fall down quickly enough to stop the upcoming problems related to Climate Change – as developing and newly industrialized countries are entering the game and thus have a greater need for energy for their nations. But there is a need to strengthen current actions against emissions to avoid the disastrous results of a changed Biosphere.
The whole thing makes the latest appointments in the Department of Energy and the EPA even more infurating.
The whole thing makes the latest appointments in the Department of Energy and the EPA even more infurating.
Because China has strengths that both France and Germany lack. And even so, even if Germany is a leader in solar energy the fact remains that the current technologies are not able to provide the stable generation that an economy of that size needs. Fossil fuels need to be displaced indeed, but it will happen in a gradual way to avoid disrupting economic growth – regrettably so for the sake of the planet, as changes are unavoidable at this stage.
Yeah the us is gonna become the bad guy in this if you believe in climate change. His whole platform is that everything is a hoax and business wise, this is how china keeps us down. Trump is a proven liar so I wouldn't be surprised if he backs down on this, but I'm guessing that he will not, or he will try to renegotiate terms when he is able.
Maybe the rest of the world needs to sanction the U.S. lets see how that works out. Because we are absolutely going to ruin the environment for the kids and teens. It always pisses me off, these old, 70 something bastards just don't care because they won't have to deal with the massive flooding on the coasts of droughts/desertification in the midwest.
"Nobody has a clue" is one of the lamest spins I saw in a while.
I bet you don't even realise the irony in the fact that you're using non-scientific extrapolation based on a limited set of data to reach a definitive conclusion.
second time someone's said this to me in a short period of time lol
but yeh seems to me the clueless drown out the knowledgeable in the States.
fuckin' bubbleception
The Artisan
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didn't he deny ever calling global climate change a hoax? wouldn't that imply that he believes in it now?
Who I quoted said that Trump is at fault and not the US, my point was that the American people aren't absolved because they are the ones that put Trump in power.
Also, what you're saying makes it sound worse because a minority of people put Trump in power. Remember that 46.9% or approx. 108 million people didn't even vote. Regardless of the Electoral College, the President wasn't the only thing on the ballot but also state or local district issues to vote on. The so called greatest democracy in the world doesn't take voting seriously to save themselves from Trump.
JadedWriter
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We're now in the Command and Conquer Red Alert time line aren't we?
PdotMichael
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The problem is that the other half doesn't have a better CO2 footprint.
Well, aren't Russia still monsters toward LGBTs?
Cow Mengde
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And the fact that GAF is incredibly racist.
China is one of the biggest investors in green energy. They are also the leading manufacturer in solar panels.
America right now.
The US have never ever been the "Good Guys" when it came to curbing Climate Change. The US and its corporations have been a major force in stopping any political action taken in the last 30-40 years.
You guys need to wake up from the delusion that the US is somehow a "good guy" country.
BronsonLee
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I will support any timeline that ends with me chilling with Kelly Hu on the beach
Fulminator
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im just going off the chart that oriel linked and the other sources that wikipedia offered
obviously im not an expert in the field
What are you talking about, Trump is just a fluke that doesn't prove anything. /s
Unfriendly TimeTraveler
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The idea that America has ever been the best when it comes to trying to reduce our carbon footprint is funny as hell. For every one step we do to fix it we go 5 steps into dumping coal ash into the water and salting the grounds.
America will never care about the environment so long as the idea exist "it's very expensive and not that great solutions anyway" as long as the idea of money is in anyone's mind when thinking how to be green will never result in any great progress being made for America being green.
America will never care about the environment so long as the idea exist "it's very expensive and not that great solutions anyway" as long as the idea of money is in anyone's mind when thinking how to be green will never result in any great progress being made for America being green.
Chaos2Frozen
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Lesser of three evils!
Cow Mengde
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A lot of poor people that can't afford cars buy electric powered bikes, and "hoverboards" to travel. Then there's also public transportation. There are so many people crowded in trains, it's really a sight to see.
unpopularblargh
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Whatever. You continue believing the shit being pumped out of the Kremlin and CPC if you like.
Seeing Canada so high just destroys me inside...
Seriously, the US corporations threw tons of money at climate skeptics across European countries to spread doubt about whether climate science was real (and these people are still around and trying to cast doubt). And working with US politicians when it came to negotiations were incredibly up-hill and frankly impossible back in the 90's and 2000's under Bush.
I'm glad the Paris accord got through (however flawed it may be) and that Obama and his administration made a push for it. For that I'm grateful. But the past decades before that, the US' extreme use of resources and emissions and unwillingness to even move a little towards clean energy was arguably the worst in the world.
I'm glad the Paris accord got through (however flawed it may be) and that Obama and his administration made a push for it. For that I'm grateful. But the past decades before that, the US' extreme use of resources and emissions and unwillingness to even move a little towards clean energy was arguably the worst in the world.
It's mostly because the consequences of pollution (both local and foreign) and climate change actually hit China way harder than it does the US due to geographic reasons.
BladeoftheImmortal
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The other half was working towards it, though. Dems didn't stick their head in the sand and act like it was all a lie.
hydragonwarrior
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Well if Russia is for it, maybe Putin will have some way to convince Trump (of all people)
Cow Mengde
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Where I'm from, we used to have Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter. Now it's mostly Winter, a few days back and forth, then 9+ months of summer. I'm sweating my ass off here in November. I actually put on a long sleeve shirt today thinking it would be chillier. OOPS.
davepoobond
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this was part of the strategy. make the US look like the belligerent one and then everyone will come to papa china and papa russia
The US has always been the belligerent one.
I had no idea Canada's emissions per capita were so high.
AstroNut325
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Just a note...
China, in the year 2015, invested $286 billion in USD equivalents for renewable energy.
How much did the USA invest in that same time frame? $44.1 billion.
China, in the year 2015, invested $286 billion in USD equivalents for renewable energy.
How much did the USA invest in that same time frame? $44.1 billion.
Pew Research did a poll some time back (if anyone still trusts polls and surveys):
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...scientists/ft_16-10-10_votersclimateeffects3/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...scientists/ft_16-10-10_votersclimateeffects3/
Sir Abacus
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They'd be even higher if the electricity weren't only 20% fossil fuels.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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When China is suggesting something like this, you know you fucking it up
Like mentioned in so many other instances in this thread, China has been fairly progressive and determined in the last couple of years to curb climate change.
hurricanes
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Lol this thread is filled with delusional Americans. Carbon footprint of avg Chinese is around 1/2 of avg American. They are doing better than you and are improving. "But...but China is the number one in total admission!" No joke there are also 1.4 billion people there. China has a lot of environmental issues to deal with, but U.S(or N.A. really) should be the last to point finger at anyone regarding to climate change, with or without Trump in the White House.
Which is in line with his isolationist policy and individualistic (egoistical) ideology
The thinking of " the life of one chinese guy is not equal to the life of one white american guy. "
That's how these people were brought up with anyway.
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