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[gothmog]

The worse to me is that on top of the game being 70$, this is the first thing you will see in the store page description :

I know people are used to this, that it's the new norm, but I will never find it normal nor get used to it.
You buy an overpriced game already, and they clearly tell you that you're playing the "cheap" version. They make it feel like you're playing some free to play version or something and you have to pay 100$+ to get the real game.
Basically mocking you for getting the "standard" version.

It's absurd.

Welcome to the future of Gamepass.

 

[dotnotbot]

The worse to me is that on top of the game being 70$, this is the first thing you will see in the store page description :

I know people are used to this, that it's the new norm, but I will never find it normal nor get used to it.
You buy an overpriced game already, and they clearly tell you that you're playing the "cheap" version. They make it feel like you're playing some free to play version or something and you have to pay 100$+ to get the real game.
Basically mocking you for getting the "standard" version.

It's absurd.

Standard pleb edition is included in gamepass, that's why. Even Redfall is still $70 so gamepass appears as a better deal (the only reasonable one in fact).

 

[GHG]

Uhm, yes? Why the heck you even need a wheel to race against braindead AI lol?

You do it if you enjoy racing games. Plenty of people do it to just race against AI (in the games where the AI is more competent), it just wouldn't make that much sense to do it for this title alone.

 

[supernova8]

Also, the best media tends to come from people who are hungry for success and need to take risks/be bold with their vision. You need it to be do or die.

If you’re at Xbox where is the fear driving you to succeed?

If that were the only reason then surely we'd have shit first party content coming out of Playstation and Nintendo, but their output seems to be (generally) pretty good (even though Playstation can fuck off with its cross gen bollocks).

Maybe Xbox as an organisation isn't very good at managing its studios, or maybe it isn't good at identifying and selecting the right people to be in the right leadership roles. Kinda hard to know what the hell is going on (it's unlikely to be a funding issue) on the outside looking in.

 

[Shut0wen]

Literally have 0 issues except that the series has been in decline with content ever since forza 4, new upgrade system is great as well, for me GT was 8 this is a solid 7

 

[Taycan77]

My prediction was FH5 would have more players than FM by Christmas. It's increasingly looking like FM won't even pass FH5 in the first place. Although I'm not sure how long it takes for Steam numbers to ramp up.

 

[TheGodfather07]

If people still think launching straight into gamepass isn't having a negative effect, then your straight up blind. The pressure and incentive to create high quality isn't there when your not relying on actually selling your games.

 

[Dream-Knife]

My prediction was FH5 would have more players than FM by Christmas. It's increasingly looking like FM won't even pass FH5 in the first place. Although I'm not sure how long it takes for Steam numbers to ramp up.

Generally the first Sunday after a game comes out is its highest.

 

[AetherZX]

I'm very curious what's with the influx of these room temperature IQ 'Game Pass' posts in a topic focused on the Steam version of the game. The same Steam where other non-GP titles with terrible performance got review bombed all the same.

 

[Windom Earle]

remember that all these PC sims are lacking in a campaign that even comes close to the likes of Forza Motorsport 7 and Gran Turismo 5 let alone the classics such as FM4 and GT4. I'd be spending 300-400 dollars on a wheel, pedals and shifter for what? online racing and more realistic physics? With basically no goal or game to work for besides just racing in lobbies?

Assetto 2 in 2024 better step up the campaign efforts. And Controller support too.

It's almost as if simulations are not about playing "campaigns".

 

[mrcroket]

Looks like a lot of pc gamers with "better pc than console" dealing with the harsh reality that their 2070s, 3060s and the like are not up to par.

Bad optimization is their favorite cry.

 

[Thirty7ven]

It's down to 44%. I don't understand how so many games ended up in such a poor state even after lengthy delays.

Redfall, halo infinite, this. All near 1 year delays, all still in a poor release state regardless.

Starting to look like MS is having quite a bit of trouble attracting talent. And the pressure of gamepass isn’t helping game releases.

 

[Bkdk]

MS really is on a roll, time for mass restructuring in their gaming biz. Likely all of their other upcoming titles are in trouble as well.

 

[Elysium44]

Looks like a lot of pc gamers with "better pc than console" dealing with the harsh reality that their 2070s, 3060s and the like are not up to par.

Bad optimization is their favorite cry.

The game is badly optimised, this is a known fact.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

MS really is on a roll, time for mass restructuring in their gaming biz. Likely all of their other upcoming titles are in trouble as well.

what game is next?

 

[Senua]

Looks like a lot of pc gamers with "better pc than console" dealing with the harsh reality that their 2070s, 3060s and the like are not up to par.

Bad optimization is their favorite cry.

Fucking lol

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Fucking lol

Yeah

 

[djjinx2]

Reminds me of Driveclub release, lots of hate but the core game is legit good. I just hope MS support the game and fix shit, in 3 years we shall look back on the game in the same light (I hope).

I get a feeling that there is also alot of bandwagon jumpers round here that have not even fucking played the game. Sucks to own an Xbox and read this forum at times

 

[Belthazar]

The driving and physics are the only good thing about the game.

The rest feels unpolished and unfinished to say the very least.

Built from the ground up with six years of development time has to be a joke.

Seems very in line with what was said about Halo Infinite at launch. Great core mechanics lost on an overall very barebones product. Halo seemingly got back on its feet content-wise, but it was a case of it being too little and too late, as most of the player base left and never came back. I wonder if the same will happen with this.

 

[poppabk]

It has a buggy implementation of DLSS, forced 60 FPS in multiplayer because of consoles and no RTGI as they said they would. It never stood a chance.

 

[64bitmodels]

Looks like a lot of pc gamers with "better pc than console" dealing with the harsh reality that their 2070s, 3060s and the like are not up to par.

Bad optimization is their favorite cry.

nah our GPUs are up to snuff, it really is just bad optimization. There are mods for Assetto Corsa that look better than Forza and run well on a 1070,1080, 2070 etc

 

[64bitmodels]

It's almost as if simulations are not about playing "campaigns".

these are still video games at the end of the day, they are racing simulators yes but video games mostly. A game has a goal, a win state. Usually beating the game. What game is there to beat in Assetto Corsa besides the anemic pitiful campaign?
There should be more to a racing game than just the physics. A sandbox game is fun, it truly can be. But it will never have the legacy and lasting appeal the same way a more focused game will have. That's why Minecraft has a survival mode as well as a creative.

 

[GHG]

these are still video games at the end of the day, they are racing simulators yes but video games mostly. A game has a goal, a win state. Usually beating the game. What game is there to beat in Assetto Corsa besides the anemic pitiful campaign?
There should be more to a racing game than just the physics. A sandbox game is fun, it truly can be. But it will never have the legacy and lasting appeal the same way a more focused game will have. That's why Minecraft has a survival mode as well as a creative.

Try this and see if it's more to your liking than what's in the vanilla game:

Redline Stars: Careers

RS: Careers is the missing career part of Assetto Corsa that you've been looking for. In this mod you'll be playing as a dentist who decides to get into racing due to his struggles with midlife crisis. Will trying to go fast help? Join Discord...

www.racedepartment.com

 

[64bitmodels]

Try this and see if it's more to your liking than what's in the vanilla game:

Redline Stars: Careers

RS: Careers is the missing career part of Assetto Corsa that you've been looking for. In this mod you'll be playing as a dentist who decides to get into racing due to his struggles with midlife crisis. Will trying to go fast help? Join Discord...

www.racedepartment.com

 

[Gaiff]

Looks like a lot of pc gamers with "better pc than console" dealing with the harsh reality that their 2070s, 3060s and the like are not up to par.

Bad optimization is their favorite cry.

Always the trolls with the moronic posts.

 

[Rykan]

I don't quite understand why they insisted on using a leve lup system for a racing simulator. It's just so out of place.

 

[bender]

Looks like a lot of pc gamers with "better pc than console" dealing with the harsh reality that their 2070s, 3060s and the like are not up to par.

Bad optimization is their favorite cry.

 

[Kerotan]

That's what $69.99 gets ya, folks. Stop buying and enabling this bullshit. lol

70usd is nothing in today's world. It's 4 skin bundles on any popular online game.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

More like Furza. Amirite Germans???

 

[Three]

I don't quite understand why they insisted on using a leve lup system for a racing simulator. It's just so out of place.

It's what you do when "engagement" is what you're after.

 

[thismeinteil]

And the streak keeps on going. Game pass eating.. just okay?

 

[Duchess]

Jesus, Microsoft is having a really shit year, eh?

 

[JackMcGunns]

What the hell has Gamepass got to do with it?

When there was a solar eclipse, the natives would play drums and dance a ritual until the Sun came out again, worked every time, so the song and dance were a must for every eclipse, now it's the same song and dance post Game Pass, now any game that's worse then its predecessor, must be GP fault, including a game like Redfall that was deep into production even before the acquisition. But alas, keep beating those drums warriors!

 

[Buggy Loop]

But alas, keep beating those drums warriors!

 

[Taycan77]

Generally the first Sunday after a game comes out is its highest.

Just had another look and it peaked at 4,368 today. Seems Euro timezone is the most popular as numbers are dropping back to 3,500 as Europe goes to bed.

 

[blue velvet]

They have a year and a half to not repeat GT7 terrible launch. T10 could only blame themselves.

 

[dotnotbot]

Damn, concurrent players numbers on Steam are abysmal so far

 

[mckmas8808]

Damn, concurrent players numbers on Steam are abysmal so far

What's a good number that this game should hit? 10k concurrently? 20k?

 

[Klosshufvud]

Damn, concurrent players numbers on Steam are abysmal so far

Overpriced with GP option, garbage optimization and average reviews.

The holy trio of a failed PC release.

 

[dotnotbot]

What's a good number that this game should hit? 10k concurrently? 20k?

Dunno, it's not an arcade racer but if Horizon 5 managed to peak at 80k+ players I wasn't expecting a game from the same series to be so much less popular.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I don't quite understand why they insisted on using a leve lup system for a racing simulator. It's just so out of place.

It’s in a subscription service. Would the level up system be there if it wasn’t a day one Gamepass release?

 

[Crayon]

They have a year and a half to not repeat GT7 terrible launch. T10 could only blame themselves.

Didn't gt7 have a great launch? I remember the reception being vey good.

 

[demigod]

Damn, concurrent players numbers on Steam are abysmal so far

Abysmal? Its non-existent. This game bombed. I don’t see them making a Forza 9, probably stick with Horizon.

 

[blue velvet]

Didn't gt7 have a great launch? I remember the reception being vey good.

Yeah kinda until the server went down for 3 days straight.

 

[Crayon]

Yeah kinda until the server went down for 3 days straight.

Oh I do remember something like that.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

I played a little bit today and did not like the graphics. At some point, I wondered, 'Perhaps the real world is just as ugly?'

 

[Nydius]

I don't quite understand why they insisted on using a leve lup system for a racing simulator. It's just so out of place.

Because, despite the (current) lack of microtransactions, it's still a "live service" game at its core. Gotta pump up those player engagement metrics somehow. Instead of offering a deep, robust, campaign with deeper sim features to do that, 'tis easier to just turn everything into a grind. Skinner Box: Racing Edition.

 

[Taycan77]

Mid-day in Europe, Steam DB:

Forza Motorsport 2,237

Forza Horizon 5 7,232

Asseto Corsa 5,556

Asseto Corsa Competizione 1,655

Dirt Rally 2.0 809

Automobilista 2 218

iRacing 135

I was expecting 15k-30k launch week. It’s unrealistic to expect it to match Forza Horizon 5 due to it being an arcade game.

 

[Elysium44]

Also Forza Horizon 4 - 4,465 players.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Mid-day in Europe, Steam DB:

Forza Motorsport 2,237

Forza Horizon 5 7,232

Asseto Corsa 5,556

Asseto Corsa Competizione 1,655

Dirt Rally 2.0 809

Automobilista 2 218

iRacing 135

I was expecting 15k-30k launch week. It’s unrealistic to expect it to match Forza Horizon 5 due to it being an arcade game.

Steam reviews are doing what Steam reviews are design to do for game that's unfinished: scaring potential customers away.