It has.I'm just talking about the 30 fps stutter, in all other areas the picture quality of modern displays blow older LCDs/CRTs out of the water of course.
Stutter is all about the motion.
I seriously doubt your older TV will have better response time than an LG CX.
Oh, don't know that much of Plasma vs OLED but I do know Plasma has impulse-driven display which is also much better for showing 30 fps than sample-and-hold of modern OLED/QLED.
The problem is that increasing framerate disproportionately affects performance. It's not 1:1 like it is on PC for most games. What we are seeing here is what we saw in Dying Light 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy where a game that is basically locked at native 4k 30 fps has to drop its resolution all the way down to 1080p just to hit 60 fps.
So 40 fps at native 4k or even 1800p might not be possible. Thats an increase of 33% more frames at the cost of roughly 40% in pixels. In theory, it should be enough, but looking at how blurry this game is in performance, I highly doubt they can get 40 fps at 1800p. Maybe at 1440p.
Ratchet had to tone down a lot of graphics settings to hit 60 fps at 1440p even though they had it running at native 4k 40 fps. They turned down lighting, reduced skybox detail, NPC crowds as well as lower quality reflections. It lost a lot of its visual flair. They had to do the same thing in Miles. Reducing NPC counts and traffic density in performance modes. See below. From what I can see, GG didnt turn down any detail. The insane amount of foliage present in the quality version is all there even in performance. The draw distance of foliage is the same as well. The NPC counts are the same. If they maybe turn down some of those settings to PS4 Pro levels, we might get a 1440p 60 fps mode.
Talking about panel only… because the overall response time depends of the quality of others components of the TV.
Low response time with sample-and-hold display is what causes stutter.
30fps being “extremely playable” is the definition of subjectivity. Why stop there, no need for a PS5 either, PS4 version should have more than enough iq, right? GG is obviously looking into something with “high priority”.
Bruh high response times like on Oleds is not a good thing in regards to 30 fps because of the nature of 'sample and hold'. That'd why lcd's and older tvs feel smoother than an Oled.
I've been bothered by this too. Every single game just about on ps5 is like this even last gen Sony first parties like Uncharted 4 remaster.
The key word: CASUAL observer
I mean if you want to go into my medical history, yes, headaches from 30 fps games have always been a problem for me. I don't really see why you are trying to throw gotcha question at me when the thread is about Horizon Forbidden West having a subpar performance mode.
But isn't that why modern displays use "black frame insertion"?Low response time with sample-and-hold display is what causes stutter.
When it's impulse-driven like Plasma or CRT, the low response time doesn't cause stutter.
They have the option to but it introduces flickering and on OLEDs there's a very noticeable brightness hit.
I agree with your argument but to be fair most PS2 games were 60 FPS.
I am looking at my 28 PS2 games in my TV set right now and majority of them are 60 FPS titles. But fair enough, we agree on the main point.
60fps is more response time... so it is better... nobody can deny that.
60 fps doesn't drink alcohol when he has to drive?
For me 30fps is a lot worse now we have these huge and bright 55" to 77" screens completely filling our field of view. They make any kind of visual issue much more obvious though not just frame rate. I guess the more something fills your field of view the more likely it will cause motion sickness which is why VR needs higher frame rates?
Halo 3 had fantastic water like that
Yes. I noticed it immediately.
So people masked and made the game looks worst lol
I prefer how it looks now in resolution mode. Sharpened but not over sharpened. You can add more sharpen with your TV settings but you can't remove ingame sharpening, so it's better in this way.
Sharpening in TV sucks btw.
Doesn't help when plasmas had input lag that would be an additional 70-120ms in game mode. Yes, I had a panasonic plasma too and my bodnar lag tester was crying in any mode on it.
I’m not sure… I had a PLASMA D8000 and all reviewers recorded something between 28-33ms of input lag in Game Mode.
Sorry to bump an old thread but I just finished the game and watched this tech review again and I can't believe how the IQ in performance mode (or lack thereof) was ignored. No 400x zoom needed I just cropped these straight from the console 4k shots and made a few GIFs too.
Anything with transparencies like the next two GIFs and video looks awful. I guess the base image is just too low res and the checkerboarding completely breaks down.
Particles similarly look awful. You see these blocky particles essentially every time you shoot a machine and get sparks but easier to get a comparison shot with this electrified pool.
Every time you use the glider it looks like there is a retro filter applied.
And many of the cutscenes seem to tank in resolution and look like base Xbox One quality.
The allegedly beautiful water looks less than impressive thanks to the blocky particles.
The weird lighting (not exclusive to performance mode) was ignored - I noticed this in the first 15 minutes of the game so it's not just a couple of bugged spots.
They touched on the SSR but it really is some of the worst I have ever seen in either mode.
The grass shimmering is really just a part of the problem. I can't believe people were saying they couldn't see a difference between modes or that it was just badly set up TVs.
This tech review seemed more like the sponsored Warhammer 3 piece where they obviously couldn't dunk on the game for fear of pissing off the publisher.
It's not just DF. NX Gamer phoned it in too. These critics are too busy sucking up to their favorite publishers to do their job. It's absolutely shocking that a random youtuber has done almost 8 videos on the game comparing the results after everyone of its 8 or so patches since launch while DF and NX Gamer havent done a single video talking about this. DF mentioned this in passing in one of their podcasts. It's rotten. We shit on games journalists for letting performance issues pass but they have moved away from discussing technical aspects of games in the last 5-10 years while DF has taken over as THE source of discussing technical issues. And now, they have dropped the ball.
