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TIGERCOOL
Member
yeah these posts are rampant with every game that has the choice and I always give resolution mode a chance because everyone goes on at length about the image quality... then I switch back to performance mode within 5 minutes. I can rarely see much of a difference in IQ but I dont sit 2 feet from my 4k tv. yet to play a game in which the res boost comes even close to making up the framerate difference but I haven't played forbidden west. tv upscalers and AA do a good enough job for me.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I have to say, this new stash system is dumb as fuck. Just let me hold potions or whatever. I mean it doesn't even make logical sense that I find something in the wild and it's sent across the map magically to my stash. This is probably the dumbest design decision I have ever seen in a game of this nature.
Data Ghost
Member
I have been enjoying my time with it so far, it’s pretty much what I was expecting and I think I’ll have a good time with it. I was not impressed by the intro sequence (with the female vocals) where every time it switched to a new shot there was usually jarring pop in. That really surprised me and spoiled the awesomeness of it for me. I thought the super dooper mega fast SSD was supposed to make that a thing of the past.
Graphically there is a LOT of detail, and some of the faces have a weirdly real look to them (but not Aloy who looks cartoony).
I am finding the controls a little clunky but not too bad overall. If you have a PS5 it’s definitely worth playing. I’m up to speed with what has happened so far. I had pretty much forgotten all of the story details of Zero Dawn.
Graphically there is a LOT of detail, and some of the faces have a weirdly real look to them (but not Aloy who looks cartoony).
I am finding the controls a little clunky but not too bad overall. If you have a PS5 it’s definitely worth playing. I’m up to speed with what has happened so far. I had pretty much forgotten all of the story details of Zero Dawn.
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PuppetMaster
Member
Man this game startimg to get good!
cormack12
Gold Member
I'm confused by it tbh. It looks like my ridgewood can be replenished from stash when crafting but berries and potions can't?
01011001
Banned
so after doing my first cauldron I really start to hate the scripted platforming... it feels super clunky, slow and it's the typical "fake game mechanic" stuff that I can't stand in many modern aaa games.
this need to keep the player from actually controlling the character so that it's impossible to do anything except exactly what the game wants you to do.
at that point, why even have that in your game? it's clearly not meant to add any meaningful gameplay since it's literally a fake obstacle that is 100% context sensitive and pre scripted...
that and also I need a "shut the fuck up" option for Aloy. "I need to get up there... maybe I can use [enter object]", "I can use [enter object] to get across!", "I need to find a [enter object] to get into that door"
every fucking thing you need to do gets a fucking voice line like she is some schizophrenic lunatic... jesus!
the fights are fun and the gyro aiming helps a lot with that. but many of the surroundings are just annoying af
this need to keep the player from actually controlling the character so that it's impossible to do anything except exactly what the game wants you to do.
at that point, why even have that in your game? it's clearly not meant to add any meaningful gameplay since it's literally a fake obstacle that is 100% context sensitive and pre scripted...
that and also I need a "shut the fuck up" option for Aloy. "I need to get up there... maybe I can use [enter object]", "I can use [enter object] to get across!", "I need to find a [enter object] to get into that door"
every fucking thing you need to do gets a fucking voice line like she is some schizophrenic lunatic... jesus!
the fights are fun and the gyro aiming helps a lot with that. but many of the surroundings are just annoying af
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Anos Voldigoad
Member
Topher
Gold Member
Yeah, this is one thing I don't like about the game. I'm not even sure where my stash is.
GooseMan69
Member
For real. Witcher 3 was praised to the high heavens and is far more flawed than Forbidden West if you ask me.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Basically, unless one wants to constantly go back to camp sites or the like and deal with their inventory you'll never pick up anything new. It is so stupid. This retarded-ass design decision alone is enough to knock the ratings of this game down a point.
Picked up a potion! Yay, I could use this! But only you didn't because your pouch is full, so it is magically teleported to "your stash". Found a new trap that could help in this heated battle you're in, that you were clearly meant to find? Sorry, Harry Potter'd across the map to a chest somewhere. Wee.
My god this shit is beyond stupid. I cannot believe this feature made it beyond alpha.
RafterXL
Member
A lot of the new design decisions are dumb. The stash is bad but my biggest issue is the fact that there are things all over the map that you can't do because "you don't have the right tool" nonsense. Like tons of it. It completely kills the exploration aspect.
And why are campfires white on the map after you find them? Why do I have to scan loot from machines I just killed and why does it last 2 seconds at most? Thecscanning, in general, sucks. They also turned up the Aloy instantly telling you what to do next monologue to 11...like stfu I want to figure stuff out on my own. There is also lots of jank that didn't exist in the last game. Aloy likes to jump the wrong way, won't let go of ledges, the swimming camera next to any wall, barrel, etc. is a clusterfuck. The game is definitely not as polished as the first.
Yeah, good luck with that with this game. Performance mode is terrible. I NEVER play at game at 30 if it has a 60 option but here I am playing this game at 30 fps until (hopefully) they fix performance mode.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Maybe, it’s just a difference in opinion on what classes as a masterpiece. I think of a masterpiece as that stand out media or art that comes a long every now and again and is an absolute master class first rate masterpiece in doing the “thing” that it does. a Masterpiece stands the test of time, is unique in its overall vision and absolutely stands out amongst its piers.
im not playing the game but Plan on picking it up in the future once the patches are done. There’s enough content and Opinions out there to know that this is a direct sequel to the first, very similar and will be a huge excellent game to you if you liked the first. I just came of ghost of Tsushima 100% play through so I’m not after another assassins creed style open world game at the minute.
to your point though, I don’t think anything should be labelled a masterpiece within 48 hours of its release, that kind of title takes time to become true. I’m not saying it isn’t a masterpiece, im saying it’s too early to say.
saying this, I guess we live in a world where everything has to be now, now, now so I guess the world might want to label something a masterpiece then move onto next weeks masterpiece, removing all weight and meaning to the word.
captainraincoat
Banned
Best feature of the game so far for me..and it’s a silly one
The game auto dims if your on pause or standing around in an area….great for paranoid oled owners that have kids or are trying to pretend to work from home while jumping into random meetings
The game auto dims if your on pause or standing around in an area….great for paranoid oled owners that have kids or are trying to pretend to work from home while jumping into random meetings
GooseMan69
Member
It’s so you don’t have to worry about inventory management. And I think they wanted to give players another reason to go into the settlements. It’s better than the alternative of just telling the player to fuck off because their inventory is full like some games do.
01011001
Banned
because finding glaring issues can literally happen in the first minute of playing...
to me the really bad platforming and the annoying constantly interrupting voice lines from Aloy alone make it a flawed game... and you don't have to play the game for 100 hours to know that thse things are bad.
funnily enough I personally have no real issue with the stash system so far like many other have tho
meanwhile even if you start playing a game and it turns out it's really really good, the full "scale" of how good it is can only truly be determined after finishing it.
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I can’t believe they shipped performance mode in the state it’s in. EASILY the worst image quality of any AAA title I’ve played on ps5.
I’m putting the game down and hoping they fix it. If they don’t do it within the next few weeks I’m going to sell the game and just wait for the pc version.
I’m putting the game down and hoping they fix it. If they don’t do it within the next few weeks I’m going to sell the game and just wait for the pc version.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Yea performance mode is really poor. It's basically "Do you want this to look like an early gen PS4 game, but it will run at 60 fps?". It's shocking they greenlit it. They even had an extra four months or so to polish it.
Anos Voldigoad
Member
Just arrived in Baren Light after a buckload of side quests and errands to complete. Time for a quick selfie
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
You'd think the game was running at 720p or something with these ridiculous comments
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
No, lol, no. It's one thing to tell a player "you have too many of item X". This system makes it so a player can not pick up anything because some arbitrary limit was reached in the inventory. This is the worst, by far, inventory system I have ever seen. They should patch in an option to completely yeet the stash and just put hard limits on each item type in ones inventory.
Again, I cannot believe this made it past alpha. It is so fucking dumb. In short - in the first game I never had to think about my inventory. This new system forces a player to constantly think about inventory. It solves a problem that didn't exist previously, but creates a massive headache now. Bleh.
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assurdum
Banned
Just...no. lol. The hysteria around the IQ in performance mode is exaggerated. Seems people you are new to the IQ of Horizon CBR or 60 fps mode on console. The only reason because you noticed it more it's the outstanding level of granularity in details of the engine which are not commons but it's almost the normality such compromise in a game which was intended to be 30 FPS. Shit even Matrix demo has awful IQ compared others games and it's not 60 FPS.
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The artful mincer
Member
Honestly those games you mention felt pretty similar to there prequels actually.
What did those games do different that forbidden west doesn't?
Vick
Member
For real..
I wonder how these people could possibly settle on PC at say 1440p 120fps when you could always push for 8K and more + Mods and see this exact kind of difference.. at 5fps.
assurdum
Banned
Performance mode? Because Jeez even Matrix had a worst IQ than this.For real..
I wonder how these people could possibly settle on PC at say 1440p 120fps when you could always push for 8K and more + Mods and see this exact kind of difference.. at 5fps.
Con-Z-epT
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Just in case somebody is having trouble with the broken sky quest. This fixed it for me.
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For some reason after playing for a while in 30fps it starts to feel smoother. I actually had to make sure I was still on resolution mode yesterday.
Gordon Freeman
Member
It absolutely is stuck in past gen design.
Current gen non linear design for plarforming and traversal can be seen in BOTW, Halo Infinite, Dying Light 2 etc.
This is PS2-PS3 level linear and janky platformimg controls. Even the highest rated reviews criticized it. Stop being blind.
Gordon Freeman
Member
Climbing in this game is just ridiculous. They had 5 years to fix it. Breath of the Wild came out the same year as the first one and had a far superior mechanic. This is just pure trash.
It truly is generations behind. Trash tier platforming. Rigid. Linear. Boring.
Gordon Freeman
Member
It is still only specific spots. Even outdoors only certain spots can be climbed that your focus shows you.
One mountain I tried could be climbed on one side but not the other. Despite graphically looking the same. It’s the dumbest not gamey shit I have ever seen.
Also this is a step back for open world games other than graphics. This is just as gamey as a Ubisoft game like Far Cry. Ghost of Tsushima this is NOT.
Gordon Freeman
Member
It is. It’s like Uncharted 2. A PS3 game. Are we playing the same game?
New gen design is like BOTW, Halo Infinite, Dying Light 2. Letting you do whatever you like. Not follow pre determined points.
RGB'D
Member
Yeah. Well said. And there is a huge difference between calling something a masterpiece immediately and saying something isn't good. I'm pretty mediocre on the start, but the first game was like that too so I will give it some time. That said I was playing Kena before this released and am super tempted to go back and finish before I get too far into Horizon.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
It'a a mix of hand placed points and free climbing. Stop lyin
Fredrik
Member
I made a quick camera rotation video.
You might need to look at it in the YouTube app to be able to see it in 60fps, make sure to go through the advanced quality settings, default is like 460p 30fps for me for some reason. Set it to 1080p 60fps at least if 4K60 is too much data.
In my opinion it show clearly the differences when it comes to smoothness and motion clarity. The faster you go the more stutter and the less details you see if the framerate is too low. Performance mode looks quite crispy even at the highest rotation speed. Resolution mode, not so much.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Never tried off, but used Low. If you compare it to 60fps no the difference is big. But with the glitter fest in 60fps I would rather stick to 30fps. Try Low, I find it good. Off? Didn't try it myself.
T-Cake
Member
To me this sounds like you've got it backwards. The first game did require you to micro manage your inventory. Nothing worse than not being able to pick something up, so you have to turn something else into shards not knowing whether you might need it later.
I love this system in the new game where you can pick up anything and everything and it goes into your magic chest.
Fredrik
Member
I see no glitter fest. Can you post a pic?
As an experiment, try rotate the camera and look at the details in the trees for example in Performance and Resolution mode. Night and day difference, ironically it’s the resolution mode that gives you less details, in 30fps things get fuzzy fast when things are moving.
Topher
Gold Member
Every game is flawed. But you may find these flaws to be not as big an issue the more you get a feel for the game. If something annoys you then fine, but I'm just talking about making broad judgements about the game as a whole when you don't know what the whole really is. And I've played plenty of games that started out great but fell apart before the end. It works both ways. Regardless, I'm not worried about whether this games reaches "masterpiece" status. Just enjoying playing it.
Then you are making broad comments about the game based on entirely what other people are saying?
Right.....so they should have turned Aloy into a Batman or Spider-man like they did with Master Chief and Link? Hell.....just make it so Aloy can fly like Superman. "new gen design"
cormack12
Gold Member
Dude, I think you're being way over the top here. Is the climbing system best in class? No, but it's certainly not as your describing it. Your examples aren't really fair either. I mean, why should I have to parkour in Dying Light when Halo has a grapple? Why should I use my own energy climbing cliffs in Zelda when Halo has a grapple? That's not even mentioning the ledges that are out of range of the grapple in Halo. Why should I have to parkour in Watch Dogs or GTA when Jacob Fry and Batman have grapples? And Borderlands 3 are Destiny 2 are great examples of how platforming in first person can also be awful.
For example, Far Cry 5 requires unlocks and then grapple points, Why can't I grapple anywhere?
Do you actually remember Zero Dawn recently, because this is what it was (skip to around 3:50 to see the actual 'climbing'). This is why everyone wanted a massive improvement.
So they've gone from something like that to what I'd consider Tomb Raider, Uncharted, AC (prior to Origins) level climbing mechanics, that's a huge leap. It's really simple, the 'x' are jump points and the lines are shimmy ledges. It's no different to the yellow coating on things in Uncharted or the white ledges in Tomb Raider. This is Forbidden West style climbing:
This is Uncharted 4:
In Tomb Raider you create your own 'x' markers by using Broadhead arrows - why can't Lara just climb across walls?
Not everywhere is 'climbable' in those games but for good reason. Now, with it being the second iteration yeah it's a bit janky. Sometimes I'll run up a table in a tavern, or she'll get stuck demounting a ledge or you'll have to readjust because a ledge you think is in range actually isn't but these are just par for the course really. It's not perfect but I think you're being overly critical, like those people who wanted to bash Tomb Raider while praising Uncharted imo.
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Strider Highwind
Banned
Guerilla Games...just insane at what they do from a technical standpoint...I love what I'm seeing and I love how it plays...Its just beautiful to me. I totally tip my hat to them
But as usual I have no interest in the story/characters of their games..they have got to get some better writers at some point.
But as usual I have no interest in the story/characters of their games..they have got to get some better writers at some point.
dDoc
Member
The Snider cut does make a turd of a movie into a decent, watchable and fun experience though.
AdjudicatorHead
Member
I’m using low too, in quality mode. Finding that very smooth after some initial adjustment, but the visuals are worth the trade off here. Most important thing is the frame pacing is perfect. It’s inconsistent frame pacing and regular dips that I can’t deal with.
I’m a bit annoyed that all of Sony’s devs aren’t doing a 40fps mode like Insomniac though. That mode was divine. I hope it’s something they add.
MikeM
Member
Seriously. Its painful. Besides the checkerboarding artifacts the game still looks fantastic. And when I pan the camera, the game doesn’t become a garbled blob of shit.