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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!
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I tried what more do you want from me :v(
We are all just jealous.
I really did. But then I got something , can't remember, and it literally snow balled
It's going to be an adventure putting this together. I love the look of the R4 Black Edition and it should contrast nicely with the white cables, white fans, and the GPUs.
I'm going to take lots of PC porn pics
Dries
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Oh is CPUz that much better? I'm actually liking HWmonitor a bit, but I'll check out CPUz too then.
It's i5 2500K btw (stock = 3.3 ghz). First I manually set my Vcore to 1.320V, but one time I got an error:
So I notched it up to 1.330V. Seems ok at the moment. Average temps are around 62 celcius. I know I can probably overclock a bit more, but it's just not necessary for the games I'm playing right now.
Oh, and Vcore is automatically scaled to 1.340 when upping my Clock Ratio to 41. So I'm still beneath the average Vcore.
Just don't mix these up with the ones from the honeymoon.
Two 770s aren't what you want. Get a single 780 or an R9-290x.
If you want something that is like two 770s, get a GTX 690 or even the Mars 760, though I recommend you don't do that.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($121.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 780 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($95.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1267.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-12 16:30 EDT-0400
That is what I'd build given the same budget.
When the 880 comes out, sell the 780 and upgrade. Rinse repeat with new top end cards. That's how you "futureproof".
Saves a bit and it's better
If it was in stock that is
Blackage
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Didn't want to wait for Broadwell-E? :O
Thank you so much for the advice ! Yeah, for this rig, I'd rather take a EVGA Hadron even though it's a bit more expensive. Linus showed that you could run a 780 in there so the power supply that comes with it is good enough. I will make sure I get a 780 or a 880 if it launches before January 2015. In any case, it's good to hear I can game @ 3440*1440 for altogether little money. I will start sparing money to get the LG. Hopefully, A-Sync, G-Sync will be widely available in 6 months.
Ouch, bummer. If only the 804 wasn't that much bigger than the Hadron. I really need to have side by side pics to really assess the size of both cases. It is crucial to me that the case is as small as possible. And there shouldn't be much noise either since I plan on using the rig with a projector. There is no middle ground by chance ?
The Node 304. Third post in thread.
Demon Lizardman
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Just pre ordered my Devils canyon 4790k, Fuck yeah!
Prophet Steve
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So, ever since I have built my PC three years ago I haven't succeeded much in over clocking my 2500K. It was my first time building my PC and I used a Scythe Mugen 2, which was fairly difficult to install, so it might have to do something with that.
Idle temperatures without overclocking are around 45 degrees celsius, and hits higher than 70 when stress testing.
Today I tried to reassemble my CPU cooler and I can see that there is too much cooling paste which isn't applied too evenly. But maybe worse than that, the fan that is included with it isn't spinning. I don't even know whether it has ever spinned. It occasionally spins very slowly but that is it. Putting it on a different Sys_Fan on my motherboard does not make a difference.
I am going to reapply the cooling paste, and that might make a bit of a difference but how much of a difference is the lack of fan making? Thinking of getting a new fan or maybe even a new heatsink. Any advice?
Idle temperatures without overclocking are around 45 degrees celsius, and hits higher than 70 when stress testing.
Today I tried to reassemble my CPU cooler and I can see that there is too much cooling paste which isn't applied too evenly. But maybe worse than that, the fan that is included with it isn't spinning. I don't even know whether it has ever spinned. It occasionally spins very slowly but that is it. Putting it on a different Sys_Fan on my motherboard does not make a difference.
I am going to reapply the cooling paste, and that might make a bit of a difference but how much of a difference is the lack of fan making? Thinking of getting a new fan or maybe even a new heatsink. Any advice?
Prophet Steve
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I'll check when I am home. But since I tried it onto multiple connections where a different fan would work I don't think it could make a difference.
Vigilant Walrus
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Do you have any idea mate if there are performance benefits over Sandy Bridge CPUs? People have told me to not upgrade the CPU but my CPU - A 950 3,0 ghz i7 is from 2011. Its hard to imagine that CPU gains having not grown much in the past 3 years.
But I assume you can over clock some of these new devil canyons processors to 4,5 or maybe even 5 GHz? Is there any of them that has a stock speed of 4 GHz? And does any of these processors come in a 6 or 8 core variety?
EDIT: This is going to sound weird, but I love these I need a New PC threads. For the last several years it's been one of my favourite threads. No arguing in here, no trolls just people helping each other, and so much good condensed info. Truly PC gaf is a wonderful thing. It's not at all like PC gaf was in 2006-2007. Not that many Neogaffers PC gaming back then<3
Gotcha, I didn't understand that other fans worked on the same headers. Yeah, just replace the fan.
They're about 10-15% faster clock for clock than Sandy.
The i7, 4790K, comes with a stock clock of 4.2 basically.
The max overclock is going to be silicon lottery. You might end up with a good chip, you might end up with something that maxes out at 4.4-4.6. It's just a dice roll.
No 6 or 8 core varieties.
That makes me more happy than you can know
Your i7 is Bloomfield not Sandy Bridge. SB was the generation after your chip.
Your CPU is still solid, and very solid if you overclock it to 4GHz. Intel doesn't really have much competition so they've focused on mobile and iGPUs rather than pushing CPU power on.
As for OCing, I'd be surprised to see most DC chips exceed 4.6 GHz. The i7s come clocked at 4GHz and turbo to 4.4.
No 6 or 8 core CPUs unless you go Ivy Bridge-E and pay huge money.
Demon Lizardman
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Dude, I barely know shit about PC building, best if you ask these guys about anything. I just know that the Devils canyon is like the next step up. My thing should be coming on the 22nd of this month.
CreepingFear
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This thread is great that way. Even though some of us might have preferences towards Nvidia or AMD, we don't get into wars like some of the console fanboys. It's very much like Neogaf porn threads in a way. Someone with better photo shopping skills should make the below photo say "neogaf discusses PC hardware".
That seems like a sound proposal but the volume of the 304 is nearly twice the one in the Hadron Air. I guess I took my decision. I just hope there is a way to change the PSU in the Hadron.
I really do hope now that we'll get an A-Sync/G-Sync solution by LG @ 3440 x 1440 pixels before the Witcher 3 comes out.
Prophet Steve
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Gotcha, I didn't understand that other fans worked on the same headers. Yeah, just replace the fan.
They're about 10-15% faster clock for clock than Sandy.
The i7, 4790K, comes with a stock clock of 4.2 basically.
The max overclock is going to be silicon lottery. You might end up with a good chip, you might end up with something that maxes out at 4.4-4.6. It's just a dice roll.
No 6 or 8 core varieties.
That makes me more happy than you can know
Do you know how much of a difference a fan could make? Because about twenty degrees lower sounds normal for me with the setup that I have.
That's probably in 2016. No sir.
Chance Hale
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What would be a good motherboard to go for Devil's Canyon? Current one is only z77 so I'll have to change that. Will broadwell be a different chipset? Really have no idea how motherboards are set up. Also, what does one need to do to prepare for GDD4? Appreciate the knowledge as always.
My i53570K just feels like its limiting performance in some games.
My i53570K just feels like its limiting performance in some games.
The cooler in itself should be fine. I used to have it and it's still running flawlessly in my old PC. My memory is letting me down, but the fan should be PWM (4-pin) and it's best plugged into the CPU fan header on the motherboard. This way it changes the RPM depending on the temperature. If the fan is still acting up, it could be faulty and should be replaced. If not, reapplying the paste isn't a bad idea like you suggested.
Huge difference.
It's not. You'd get about a 6-10% boost, clock for clock.
DDR4 will be on Haswell-E, which is the enthusiast socket. Basic motherboards will be around $200-230, the cheapest processor around $330-350. It won't be appearing on the consumer socket until Skylake, which is after Broadwell.
Prophet Steve
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Alright, I'll troubleshoot a bit more to be sure, and otherwise I'll get a new fan.
Anyone has a recommendation? Netherlands, if it makes a difference.
Arctic Cooling F12s are usually pretty cheap and they perform really well.
Chance Hale
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Maybe I need a new CPU fan or something, performance in CPU heavy games like Arma III barely improved going from a 670 to a 780 Ti. Have seen massive boosts in other games like Thief and Light Light.
Prophet Steve
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Yeah, seems to be pretty cheap and widely available. I'll check tomorrow, thanks.
Azerty is usually my go-to shop. Personally I like Thermalright's TY-141s, but I'm not sure if those would fit on a Mugen 2. Noiseblockers make great fans too, but they aren't cheap. Scythe's Gentle Typhoons have good CFM/db and they aren't usually too expensive either.
Gunmonkey36
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Yeah I mean you didn't buy 3 titan z's you let yourself get by with just the 3 titan blacks. So i think you are doing alright. ^_^
They are officially out of production, which really sucks.
Chance Hale
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I do only have it at 4.0 so I could OC a bit more. Just need to spend time reading a few guides as I ran into issues last time and got discouraged from going too high.
Was just a bummer to load up Arma III and have it running at the exact same framerate as before. Suppose I need to look more into the settings, turned the visibility down.
Prophet Steve
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Yeah, azerty was the cheapest too. Happen to have ordered a SSD there today too.
I saw a Scythe listed, I'll look whether it was the right one.
Depending on your cooler, you should realistically be able to get it to 4.4-4.6 pretty easily. That'll be more of a bump than a Haswell at 4.0.
Vigilant Walrus
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Nice! Grats! Can't wait to see pictures
Gotcha, I didn't understand that other fans worked on the same headers. Yeah, just replace the fan.
They're about 10-15% faster clock for clock than Sandy.
The i7, 4790K, comes with a stock clock of 4.2 basically.
The max overclock is going to be silicon lottery. You might end up with a good chip, you might end up with something that maxes out at 4.4-4.6. It's just a dice roll.
No 6 or 8 core varieties.
That makes me more happy than you can know
Well guys, then let me ask you, do you think 6 and 8 core will be a thing? Adaption for Quad-Core took a while.
I remember that in 2008 when Age of Conan came out, and GTA4 PC, that I saw people with QuadCore having a massive advantage. But both were hailed as poorly optimised. At least initially.
I wonder, with the requirements of Watch_Dogs, what do you thinks we are looking at in the nearby future in regards to GTA5 PC, Assassins Creed Unity, Dragon Age 3, Witcher 3? We're talking bigger open worlds than ever before, big worlds are always heavy on the CPU right?
It's my understanding that bumping up the resolution, going for the AA, the shadow, particle, smoke, fire, water, weather, spell, explosions, all those types of things are GPU intensive.
But what taxes the CPU are things like physics simulations, and simply rendering many models, and big worlds with lots of world objects. I'm particularly concerned about GTA5. Even though this is a last gen game, it's hard to believe how much they have bumped it. The level of cars and pedestrians, and that draw distance. I wonder if a 6 or 8 core will really be desired for this?
I know it's impossible to say, as it depends on the quality of a port, but if we use the adaption from Core 2 Duo to QuadCore which seems to have been a 2-3 segway, I am beginning to wonder if we need this? After all, Xbox One and PS4 both have architecture with lots of smaller CPU cores and many threads right? And given their easy porting language for PC, could you make the argument that it would be good to have a system that mirrors the consoles in architecture?
This thread is great that way. Even though some of us might have preferences towards Nvidia or AMD, we don't get into wars like some of the console fanboys. It's very much like Neogaf porn threads in a way. Someone with better photo shopping skills should make the below photo say "neogaf discusses PC hardware".
Haha, very true! I love that picture. It's so true. When Neogaf talks about their favourite porn stars it's like some all-star draft for a new avengers team. It's amazing
Chance Hale
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Yeah I just need to give it another a go.
Adoption of engines for more than two threads is still a tiny fraction of games, interestingly enough.
But, the issue with Watch_Dogs was almost certainly an issue of managing VRAM.
CPU heavy games are going to continue to be MP games, which are fairly light on the graphics side of things, so that reduces the strain a bit.
The thing is, is that a single core on a 4670K clocked at 4 GHz is basically more powerful than the entire PS4/Xbox CPU. There's just a handful of times where more than 4 threads is more beneficial than clockspeed/IPC.
Here you go:
*edit* I'm rewriting this last part.
The difference between 4 threads and 8 threads at the same clockspeed is around 4%. The difference between 4 threads at 3.5GHz and 4 threads at 4.5GHz is 14%.
IPC is still king above all else, though threads start to matter a very tiny bit once you get above 4 threads.
However, in multiplayer games, the difference in performance with clockspeed is even more staggering.
I'd say the thing to wait for to judge performance is a UE4 multiplayer game. I'm going to run a whole host of benches on that when it's out.
smoothj
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Built this on Monday. No issues, running great!
I'm finally able to play all those games I bough on Steam sales that I could never run before lol.
Reading through this thread was great help. I haven't built a pc since like 04.
CPU - i5 4760k - $220
Motherboard - MSI z87m - $150
GPU - MSI r9 280x gaming (got off craigslist) $250
PSU - Thermaltake 750w PSU - $70
SSD - PNY 240gb - $130
HDD STORAGE - 1tb toshiba (not pictured) - free
RAM - 8gb of Corsair Vengance - $90
CASE - BitFenix Prodigy M - $59
OS - Windows 8.1 Pro - free
Wanted to make a mid tier gaming/media center pc. Using big picture mode on my 60" tv playing Batman AA is awesome.
Just need to get a real cpu cooler and maybe a BD drive and I'll be set. Any recommendations?
CreepingFear
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Built this on Monday. No issues, running great!
I'm finally able to play all those games I bough on Steam sales that I could never run before lol.
Reading through this thread was great help. I haven't built a pc since like 04.
CPU - i5 4760k - $220
Motherboard - MSI z87m - $150
GPU - MSI r9 280x gaming (got off craigslist) $250
PSU - Thermaltake 750w PSU - $70
SSD - PNY 240gb - $130
HDD STORAGE - 1tb toshiba (not pictured) - free
RAM - 8gb of Corsair Vengance - $90
CASE - BitFenix Prodigy M - $59
OS - Windows 8.1 Pro - free
Wanted to make a mid tier gaming/media center pc. Using big picture mode on my 60" tv playing Batman AA is awesome.
Just need to get a real cpu cooler and maybe a BD drive and I'll be set. Any recommendations?
Nice setup. Congrats. What is your budget for the CPU cooler? Air or water cooling? For the BD drive, I don't think it matters really. Just make sure there aren't a lot of bad reviews on reliability.
smoothj
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I would love to try a to put a water cooling setup together but I don't think my case is a good candidate, plus it's a little cramped.
Looking for a sub $60 CPU Air cooler. A quiet one would be best. The pc runs pretty quiet as it is.
Pretty much anything in the op would fit.
Hyper 212. Some noctuas. Or you could get an H60 in there.
CreepingFear
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Just get the Cooler Master 212 EVO. Seems to be the go to cooler around that price and lower.
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