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Scorsese to produce Joker Origin Movie, WB Exploring "Elseworlds" Movies
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ElBoxyBrown
Banned
There ain't enough Elseworld material to do that.
Marvel
could never
Nah.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
It would be its own thing, outside of the DCEU continuity. Without Leto and set in the 80s apparently.
I don't know, it's kind of intriguing but I just don't think that particular story should ever be told. The Joker works better as a mystery.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Again: the general audience is way less easily confused than superhero fans tend to give them credit for.
Watching superhero movies isn't hard.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Do you think they'll keep the Barbra/Bruce scene from the animated film or nah?
Multiple actors portraying the same character has never bothered people in the past. People understand how recastings work, and how different movies in the same franchise don't have to be actual direct prequels/sequels to one another.
Hell, we never had the same actor portray Joker in multiple films before, and people understood that just fine.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Marvel has "What If?" stories which most of them are just bad. They would better off using the Ultimate universe.
Dark Ninja
Member
The origin of Damaged!?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Scorsese isn't even confirmed to be doing it. Deadline apparently jumped the gun on that one, Variety and THR are like "that seems way early to be reporting"
Fancyarcher
Member
Thought this was a joke when I heard the title. I'm not really sure The Joker is a character who actually work in a solo film of his own, even with Scorsese producing (they got on him board, really?), and Todd Phillips directing.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Same can be said of Elseworlds. Main difference between the two is that DC's are much more "high concept" and either re-imagine origins or start in a fairly generic version of the DCU (which makes them much more suitable for film adaptation), while Marvel's are much more focused on taking the actual events that happened in the comics and seeing what would happen if they changed what happened.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Hopefully with Zach Galifinakis reprising his role as the Joker.
The Cretan
Member
I think it would be better to make some tv adaptions of eldeworlds stories or of some more gritty violent stories with a high budget. There are a lot of DC movies which are more necessary for WB, for example the Flash movie and the Green Lantern movie. WB should make the right moves for DCEU (Wonder Woman was a start) and when the audience sees it in a positive light, like it does MCU, then DC should make some elseworld movies or even better, some tv adaptions (they could make a elseworlds tv series).
broncobuster
Banned
Todd Phillips doing a Joker origin movie ain't exactly intriguing but the idea of doing elseworld stories absolutely is. Technically Fox is already dipping into that territory.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
DC typically gets better writers to come up with their own unique DC universe while Marvel gets someone below average to change one small thing in an event that didn't happen and cause a chain reaction of random stuff from there.
I also don't think 'Elseworld' means much more than 'This cinematic universe isn't working as well as we were hoping so far and we're very close to losing our Batman so fuck what do we do oh shit oh shit'. This is just a way to throw some new actors/interpretations of characters into the mix and see what sticks. If the new Joker works better for audiences than the Suicide Squad one, you can bet your ass any future movies are going to use 'Elseworld' Joker instead of wannabe Joker.
Putting a term that's familiar to comic fans on it will just make it more digestible to the comic fans, who do a lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to early hype.
Hell they can retroactively make Suicide Squad an Elseworld movie/franchise.
Don't forget, back in the day pretty much every movie in every long running series was a standalone 'Elseworld' movie. It's nothing new. The only reason to start putting titles on it now is because studios are figuring out that building these cinematic universes isn't as easy as Marvel made it seem. Early fuckups can ruin everything. A bunch of fuckups in a row and the suits are getting twitchy. Especially, as is the case with Batman now, your lead actors start to talk about possibly getting out of that mess.
And it's all fine in my book. Continuity and especially canon are incredibly overrated. Just give me good stories.
Putting a term that's familiar to comic fans on it will just make it more digestible to the comic fans, who do a lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to early hype.
Hell they can retroactively make Suicide Squad an Elseworld movie/franchise.
Don't forget, back in the day pretty much every movie in every long running series was a standalone 'Elseworld' movie. It's nothing new. The only reason to start putting titles on it now is because studios are figuring out that building these cinematic universes isn't as easy as Marvel made it seem. Early fuckups can ruin everything. A bunch of fuckups in a row and the suits are getting twitchy. Especially, as is the case with Batman now, your lead actors start to talk about possibly getting out of that mess.
And it's all fine in my book. Continuity and especially canon are incredibly overrated. Just give me good stories.
current comics there are three separate jokers
and batman had one locked in his sex dungeon basement
so if anything they're just being true to the comics
shira
Member
My theory is that the tattoo starts out as
"mage"
as Joe Carr grows up as a Hogwart's hopeful.
And we see his transformation from kind piano loving boy into brooding piano key aerial shot lauging psychopath and the inevitable
"damaged"
See that WB - I brought DCEU into the HPEU.
PM me that cheque
"mage"
as Joe Carr grows up as a Hogwart's hopeful.
And we see his transformation from kind piano loving boy into brooding piano key aerial shot lauging psychopath and the inevitable
"damaged"
See that WB - I brought DCEU into the HPEU.
PM me that cheque
SomedayTheFire
Member
This could be really cool if they do it right. They won't.
Gabriel_Logan
Member
Batman Origins: Jokerine.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Down for Elseworlds stuff but a Joker origin? Barf.
Todd Philips... I'm getting Due Date and Hangover flash backs... this is the dude they want? Really?
Scorcese is there... I guess... I would rather him direct.
And not connected to the DCEU just muddles the picture. I would rather they tie it all together and it make it one nice cohesive world.
Especially if it's an origin story, why can't you work it in? Not like this Joker is so set in stone that you can't do anything to him.
Scorcese is there... I guess... I would rather him direct.
And not connected to the DCEU just muddles the picture. I would rather they tie it all together and it make it one nice cohesive world.
Especially if it's an origin story, why can't you work it in? Not like this Joker is so set in stone that you can't do anything to him.
As for the first one: he isn't there, someone just got excited writing an article.
As for the second one, you'd still be stuck with Jared Leto and you'd still be working towards a shitty wannabe gangster with a tattoo on his face and a Hot Topic outfit. Ignoring all that nonsense is the only good part about this news.
But they added extra Booyahs to Justice League
Nightwing123
Member
I love The Joker so I'm optimistically excited for this. The potential is there I just hope it's done right.
illmatic22
Banned
Joker Origins? Nah do something else we don't need origin stories every damn time. That said I like the idea of elseworlds flicks. Logan was sorta like that.
Exactly. And to piggyback on this, the audience would get along fine without being spoonfed origin stories. Like just have Joker be already doing Joker stuff. People get it and you don't have to explain everything.
Red Son is redundant anyway since Man of Steel is basically "What if Clark Kent had shitty parents?"
They can ret con anything in comics... they can ret con this for all I care lol. I mean Thor went from shakespeare to straight up 90 minute comedy.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
It'd be interesting if it's a serial killer-esque film where detectives are flummoxed by a new villain that's appeared in the city leaving calling cards. Focusing on people hunting him instead of his 'origin' which is dumb.
Jared Leto was a poser, the one true joker comes back and reclaims the throne
done a million times, why not a million and 1?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Joker Wars.
Salty Rice
Member
Think about DC what you want but at least they try some weird shit while Marvel its always the same safe movie.
For better or for worse.
For better or for worse.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Seriously! It's a great way to ruin his character.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Before I read the thread, am I the first person to recommend Zach Galifiankis? He had the perfect PERFECT voice for Lego Batman and was completely underrated.
Doctor Decimate
Member
well
elseworlds is certainly one way to avoid jared leto
elseworlds is certainly one way to avoid jared leto
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Joker origin story? No thank you.
Elseworlds movies? Yes please. I wish Marvel Studios would do one-off stuff set apart from the MCU (or maybe in the MCU but basically having nothing to add). Like, a lower budget Hawkeye movie would be ace.
Elseworlds movies? Yes please. I wish Marvel Studios would do one-off stuff set apart from the MCU (or maybe in the MCU but basically having nothing to add). Like, a lower budget Hawkeye movie would be ace.
Smokey_Run
Member
As I said in the community thread, I'm calling the Reeves' Batman films being connected to this film.
Couple things mentioned by outlets over the past couple months seem to point in this direction. You've got Steve Weintraub at Collider specifically using "What if Reeves wants to do a younger Batman film set in the 70s?" as an example of nobody knowing what he has planned for his films. You've got similar language being used to describe this Joker film and what Reeves has envisioned for his Batman films. It explains the mess behind Affleck's role moving forward.
Couple things mentioned by outlets over the past couple months seem to point in this direction. You've got Steve Weintraub at Collider specifically using "What if Reeves wants to do a younger Batman film set in the 70s?" as an example of nobody knowing what he has planned for his films. You've got similar language being used to describe this Joker film and what Reeves has envisioned for his Batman films. It explains the mess behind Affleck's role moving forward.
Lights and Waves
Member
This is confusing af.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
That...that actually makes a lot of sense. Reeves would be able to do basically whatever he wants creatively under this new studio banner. Cast new actors and not worry about DCEU continuity.
I'm not saying I think it's a wise choice, but now that you mention it I wouldn't be shocked. Especially since they're starting a whole new banner for these films. And we already know they were headhunting for a Red Son movie.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
This dude was good.We already got a bloody Joker origin story on one of DC's own TV shows Gotham..
Which is just crazy and psychotic enough to work, it's been built up over the years so anything tackled in movie form just won't seem as good.