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[Auctopus]

The "omg it's

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boring old Mary with her secret past

" 'twist' just doesn't have the same impact on me anymore - such a retread.

Nothing about

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her present day character suggests any depth or confliction until someone brings up her past and even then I don't feel the actress pulls it off.

 

[styl3s]

I can't see Cumberbatch as Sherlock anymore, everytime I look at him I only see Cumberbatch.

I guess i am lucky enough to see actors in the role they are playing and not just see them as X or Y.

 

[kromeo]

I'm out, the whole secret ninja spy wife storyline was shit when it was revealed and it's even more ridiculous in this episode

 

[Alienous]

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... Mary

is just the worst.

 

[Static Veins]

I was in the camp that enjoyed series three a lot and thought the Mary stuff was liveable.

This is just...

What the fuck is this?

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

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Mary is a bad character and this ninja wife story is also boring and bad

 

[Lashley]

Fucking missed it, I'll iplayer it later

 

[Ein Bear]

This is really terrible, fucking hell.

 

[Kalor]

The first part of this episode when it was a standard mystery was pretty good and then the Mary stuff started.

 

[Joni]

John wanting to cheat seems weird, and it is probably a setup of Moriarty.

 

[Alienous]

Go on Watson. Do it - it'll simplify the series.

 

[Beefy]

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Mary needs to die

. The second part of the episode is boring as fuck, the first was great.

 

[Clegg]

Opening was the perfect example of how overrated Moffat is. Barely crawling out of the corners he constantly writes himself in to, makes things feel so bloated with no stakes. Whatever mortal danger characters appear in this season, it feels like it won't matter cause he'll retcon in the next season.

Also, I don't know if it's meant to be but Cumberwatch sounds weird, isn't acting right.

Mark Gatiss wrote this episode.

 

[iFirez]

I don't hate the Mary stuff, I just don't believe the actress in that role when she's all ninja assassin. I like the Sherlock specific stuff and the way stories build around him, it feels a little off when it focuses on Mary doing a dumb American accent on a plane.

 

[Static Veins]

Enjoying it more now we're back in London. That globe-trotting middle act of Mary Gear Solid was fucking terrible.

 

[Auctopus]

Besides the "6 Years Ago", they're doing a bad job of keeping track of time. That little Watson infidelity bit seemed like it happened over a couple of days. I'm not sure if they're doing it on purpose.

Mark Gatiss wrote this episode.

They're both involved with modern-day Doctor Who which suffers from the same issue.

 

[Ikuu]

Yes!

 

[Beefy]

Yes!

 

[Dynasty]

Episode redeemed.

 

[Static Veins]

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I'm so torn.

On the one hand, Mary and her ninja powers strike again.

On the other... Bye bye secret agent Mary!

 

[Beefy]

Best Sherlock episode!

 

[kromeo]

Episodes 2 and 3 to be better confirmed

 

[Auctopus]

This is utter crap. I thought they might change direction after Season 3 but they're just barrelling down this same path.

Wasn't John a battlefield medic? Thought a

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gunshot wound

would be his bread and butter.

 

[Alienous]

Ok, maybe this episode was worth it.

 

[Joni]

That is a very lame twist.

 

[PhillipCostigan]

Thankfully the series can only go up now

 

[pauljeremiah]

The series jumped the shark while at the London Aquarium, how ironic.

 

[Static Veins]

If this whole episode was an excuse to kill off Mary, I am willing to pay that price.

Roll on episodes two and three!

 

[Kalor]

I expected Mary to die but not in the first episode.

 

[Prompto]

As an American, I should not have entered this thread now >_>

 

[Alienous]

As an American, I should not have entered this thread now >_>

I don't know why people aren't using tags.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

I don't know why people aren't using tags.

If it's aired in the UK, it's fair game to post w/out tags.

 

[Broken Joystick]

I don't know why people aren't using tags.

Spoiler rules for the thread: Anything that has aired is fair game to discuss without spoiler tags. That means as soon as the first episode airs in the UK, you can discuss whatever you like, and it's on us Yanks to avoid until our airing.

.

 

[Auctopus]

If this whole episode was an excuse to kill off Mary, I am willing to pay that price.

Roll on episodes two and three!

They will shoehorn her in with flashbacks and de-constructions of her past.

 

[nOoblet16]

That fake new York accent.

 

[Alienous]

.

Fair enough.

They will shoehorn her in with flashbacks and de-constructions of her past.

Speak of the devil.

 

[Beefy]

They will shoehorn her in with flashbacks and de-constructions of her past.

Ergh

 

[pauljeremiah]

Do I stay on BBC and watch Mrs Brown or switch over to the darts?

 

[benzopil]

Such a shitty episode

And thank God they did THAT to Mary. Maybe this season will improve because of that.

 

[Alienous]

Well, that sucked.

 

[Beefy]

Do I stay on BBC and watch Mrs Brown or switch over to the darts?

Bleach your eyes instead

So hopefully this season clears all the Mary shit up and they do another one.....

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Oh thank god, she's dead.

 

[Auctopus]

Re: next week's preview - "He is the most dangerous, despicable man I've ever met etc. etc." - just like the last 2 seasons?

Damn, I absolute love S1 and S2. But this show just isn't as clever and is far more bloated than them. The show is waaaay less clever than it likes to think it is now.

Do I stay on BBC and watch Mrs Brown or switch over to the darts?

Watch Mrs. Brown's Boys and stick darts in your eyes.

 

[Static Veins]

That episode left me feeling legitimately depressed. First episode of the whole show I've thought was outright bad.

 

[nOoblet16]

The problem with Mary as a black ops super ninja is that Amanda Abington just simply doesn't look the part, she looks like a middle aged mother of two with a desk job. And I don't just mean in terms of her face but also how her physique how she stands, moves and behaves. I just can't buy it.

 

[jerry113]

series peaked with Scandal in Belgravia

 

[Kalor]

The middle section really brought the whole thing down. I'm still looking forward to the rest of the series but I hope they don't drag it down by bringing in Mary's past again.

 

[Lyonaz]

The episode was alright, it can only go up from here.

Also Taboo starting on saturday. Trailer looked great, Tom Hardy looks awesome.

 

[Beefy]

The episode was alright, it can only go up from here.

Also Taboo starting on saturday. Trailer looked great, Tom Hardy looks awesome.

Yeah Taboo looks far better then this

 

[Alienous]

The problem with Mary as a black ops super ninja is that Amanda Abington just simply doesn't look the part, she looks like a middle aged mother of two with a desk job. And I don't just mean in terms of her face but also how her physique how she stands, moves and behaves. I just can't buy it.

She looks uncomfortable holding a gun. You're right, it just isn't believable.