Yeah, the script was bad, but like you said a lot of the scripts are bad, and it has everything else going for it, unlike TMP, V, Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis. And lets not kid ourselves, III and FC aren't exactly great films either.
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Star Trek: Beyond - Review Thread
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It's a good film unless you're a hardcore Trek fan who obsesses over details. It's a fun summer blockbuster for everyone else.
Sad Affleck
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Nice reviews! Now I am hyped to go see it.
firehawk12
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Not sure how you define "reception", but adjusted for inflation ST4 is still the highest grossing Star Trek movie domestically.
This movie was out of post-production well before Anton Yelchin died.
I don't think that's true.
General consensus in speaking with people, cinemascore, box office really isn't the best barometer.
My point is the film series really doesn't have a clear cut standout. It's a few fun films, then a bunch which are YMMV.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Which is still shocking to me.
But it was a movie that was great on a first viewing, so I guess that makes sense. I enjoyed it very much the first time I saw it with my girlfriend at the time because the movie hurtles along at a relentless pace. But after seeing it again in the theater afterwards, and in home release, it just fell apart.
It's summer blockbuster, J. J. Abrams shlock. If that's what you're looking for, yeah, it's a great flick.
It's not true.
Adjusted, the top five order goes something like Star Trek '09, The Motion Picture, IV, Into Darkness, II.
Skyfall is also considered one of the best entries in the Bond series.
Lots of dumb things are popular and well-received. Skyfall is a "ride" movie just like STID that relies on an impossibly clever, TDK Joker-esque villain leading the heroes on a merry chase that doesn't make a lick of sense.
But they both looked real pretty and moved along quickly and that's all some people need.
So, Skyfall and Star Trek: Into Darkness are considered the worst entries in their respective series?
I mean it either is or it isn't.
For Into Darkness, a lot of Trek fans I know feel it pales in comparison to a lot of the other entries, even if you treat the Kelvin universe as a separate series.
That isn't a very realistic outlook though. I also have no clue what a "Kelvin" is.
Unless they have just some random rankings. Most Star Trek fans I know hate the most popular characters like Kirk and Spock, I just kind of make the point with them and move on.
To Star Trek fans (and me) STID is right at the bottom. No idea what Bond fans think, just my personal opinion. Skyfall's biggest problem to me is dumbing down its characters to keep the plot moving.
Tal Shiar Agent
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No... most Trek fans hate shoot shoot bang bang violence and action for violence and action's sake. Which is what the reboots have been and what a lot of TOS was due to the context of its production.
SolidSnakeUS
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The belongs to Quantum.
The characters are arguably dumb in most entries though. I don't have a problem with it, but the new film didn't break some kind of mold at failing to connect with audiences.
Which movie are you talking about?
The Star Trek film series.
The only one I kind of separate is the first entry which kind of has it's own vibe.
But most of films are just bad on pretty much every level. At least ID succeeds in some ways.
Na, Spectre is worse.
SolidSnakeUS
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Editing alone makes Quantum worse. Just watch the opening car scene in Quantum and it's just all over the fucking place.
Vigilant Walrus
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It's true. That is the only film in recent memory I can think of where you can surely say the editing ruined the entire film.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only diehard Star Trek fan that absolutely loved both Trek '09 and Into Darkness...
I'm really looking forward to Beyond, when before I wasn't so sure. I don't follow reviews, but I figured, "Well, I enjoyed the first two, might as well finish the trilogy." Once I learned that Pegg was penning the script, though, I got more interested.
It's going to be bittersweet seeing Anton Yelchin's Chekov in the movie though. Me and my wife are bummed by his loss. She's also a huge Trek fan (probably more than me, actually) and she was also initially skeptical about this one. We probably won't see it opening weekend, as usual, but perhaps the following week.
I'm really looking forward to Beyond, when before I wasn't so sure. I don't follow reviews, but I figured, "Well, I enjoyed the first two, might as well finish the trilogy." Once I learned that Pegg was penning the script, though, I got more interested.
It's going to be bittersweet seeing Anton Yelchin's Chekov in the movie though. Me and my wife are bummed by his loss. She's also a huge Trek fan (probably more than me, actually) and she was also initially skeptical about this one. We probably won't see it opening weekend, as usual, but perhaps the following week.
I'd argue that STID reaches new lows with almost every character. I really enjoyed ST09, which already had a similar villain to WoK, so STID rolling back Kirk's character development from the first movie, doing almost nothing with the rest of the crew, having a twist that is simultaneously meaningless to non-fans and a dud with fans, and then just picking up the story beats from the original because Khan is EVIL AS FUCK was really disappointing.
I think upon reflection lots of people have turned on STID. JJ Abrams said it best himself
To this day I'm still baffled because I'm sure there's a quick cut where it looks like M gets shot in the face, then you don't see her for ages and when you do she's fine and it's never brought up again.
Gabriel_Logan
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Into Darkness was so bad I walked out of it for 20 minutes and made some phone calls, and came back. The only other movie I ever walked out of was the Cable Guy
No way ID treats its characters worse than V, Insurrection, Generations, and Nemesis did. Or hell, even First Contact.
Again I'm not saying ID is great, or doesn't have massive flaws, but Star Trek has produced a lot worse.
Friend of Sonic
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If the amalgamation of these reviews reflect my sentiment after watching the film, I'll be more than satisfied for a movie in the JJverse.
brandonh83
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Into Darkness was so bad I dug my own grave after seeing it, and filled it with toxic waste.
Which is why Star Trek is reduced from the 90s era of multiple shows and films to a film every few years that's basically trying to apologise.
BarringGaffner
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incorrect actually. We worked on small notes on the vfx til July 8th.
I at least expect a 'dedicated to...' title?
The Elite
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I believe it's been confirmed.
Chezzymann
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Why didn't you just fill it with Into Darkness dvds? Same thing.
orthodoxy1095
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So your grave was filled with copies of ID's script?
dammit why you gotta beat a guy like that.
Reading this thread, it must really fucking suck to not be able to enjoy good movies.
What I mean is, viewing movies in categories of only "GOAT," and "Dogshit." Not being able to consider tha there are varying degrees of quality, and not liking something doesn't automatically equate it to shit tier. There are genuinely bad movies out there: The Last Airbender(that one still stings), Transformers sequels, Fant4stic, etc. Movies that are poorly written, directed, acted, what have you.
And then there are movies like the three recent Star Trek films. They aren't GOAT. They aren't Dogshit. They coast along the spectrum of "entertaining" to "very entertaining." They have stupid plot contrivances and sometimes wonky character motivation, but they are fun films to watch. Good films, just not great. As balls deep into geek culture as we are, we want the products based off of our geekdom to be more than just "good," I get that. We want "The Godfather 2" of geekdom, when the best we've gotten so far is The Usual Suspects.
Good films, but nothing that will have the outsiders see our geekdom any differently than they have in the past. They'll walk away with a "that Star Trek movie was fun!" But they aren't about to start brushing up on their Klingon.
I'm okay with just having fun, entertaining, and sometimes dumb movies based around franchises I adore. The recent Treks are hardly bad movies. That's hyperbolic to the extreme in my opinion. It's okay to not like them, but saying they're shit tier films? Sorry, I can't agree.
What I mean is, viewing movies in categories of only "GOAT," and "Dogshit." Not being able to consider tha there are varying degrees of quality, and not liking something doesn't automatically equate it to shit tier. There are genuinely bad movies out there: The Last Airbender(that one still stings), Transformers sequels, Fant4stic, etc. Movies that are poorly written, directed, acted, what have you.
And then there are movies like the three recent Star Trek films. They aren't GOAT. They aren't Dogshit. They coast along the spectrum of "entertaining" to "very entertaining." They have stupid plot contrivances and sometimes wonky character motivation, but they are fun films to watch. Good films, just not great. As balls deep into geek culture as we are, we want the products based off of our geekdom to be more than just "good," I get that. We want "The Godfather 2" of geekdom, when the best we've gotten so far is The Usual Suspects.
Good films, but nothing that will have the outsiders see our geekdom any differently than they have in the past. They'll walk away with a "that Star Trek movie was fun!" But they aren't about to start brushing up on their Klingon.
I'm okay with just having fun, entertaining, and sometimes dumb movies based around franchises I adore. The recent Treks are hardly bad movies. That's hyperbolic to the extreme in my opinion. It's okay to not like them, but saying they're shit tier films? Sorry, I can't agree.
brandonh83
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Yeah, but that's not dramatic enough for people. So safe and boring! You're all in or you're all out, baby.
Me too. I loved it. But I was introduced to Star Trek mostly by '09 so what do I know.
brandonh83
Banned
I thought Star Trek 09 was a good movie. I thought Into Darkness was a bad movie. AM I BLOWING YOUR MIND?!
The cool kids wanted Jonathan Frakes to take over the franchise!
Even after Thunderbirds? o.o
orthodoxy1095
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+1
It must be fun to not take a critical lens to anything JJ has ever done and see through all the heaps of recurring problems they have.
But we've been through this in the last JJ thread, so I digress.
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