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[winjer]

The Steam survey has a new top graphics card

September was yet another month in which the RTX 3060 proved to be the top-performing (up 1.4%) GPU among Steam survey participants. The expensive prices of the...

www.techspot.com

This means that the most used GPU by Steam users, has around the graphical power of a PS5, but with DLSS and better ray-tracing.
Steam has 132 million monthly active users in the last 30 days. So if we extrapolate that figure to the 6.27% of users with a 3060, that gives around 8 million users.

 

[amigastar]

 

[GHG]

Excellent news.

The sooner we move on from Series S tier hardware the better.

 

[deriks]

So people on the Steam have a PS5 equivalent hardware, but more expensive?!

Huh...

 

[64bitmodels]

Excellent news.

The sooner we move on from Series S tier hardware the better.

true, but with the Pro cominng out these will look like shit in comparison

That being said, fuck the 1660, 1650, pretty much anything below 2060 performance. We really shouldn't have people using cards like that in 2023 unless your situation is desperate

 

[amigastar]

true, but with the Pro cominng out these will look like shit in comparison

It is rumored the Pro will have 23 tf. My 4070 has 28tf.

 

[TheRedRiders]

"Why Nvidia cards taking up all the top 10 spots on the Steam Hardware Survey is bad news for Nvidia and somehow good for AMD"

MooresLawIsDead, probably.

 

[MadPanda]

It is rumored the Pro will have 23 tf. My 4070 has 28tf.

It won't. Unless it costs 799 usd.

 

[amigastar]

It won't. Unless it costs 799 usd.

So you think it will have even lower tflops? Current PS5 has 10 tf.

 

[TheRedRiders]

So you think it will have even lower tflops? Current PS5 has 10 tf.

Matters little honestly, I reckon it'll be around the 20 ball park but what matters more is if they can double the rasterisation and ray-tracing performance.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I just hope I live long enough to see path tracking as a standard in all games.

 

[TheRedRiders]

I just hope I live long enough to see path tracking as a standard in all games.

Agreed, but path tracking is super unique. So unique that I've never heard of it before.

 

[Thaedolus]

true, but with the Pro cominng out these will look like shit in comparison

That being said, fuck the 1660, 1650, pretty much anything below 2060 performance. We really shouldn't have people using cards like that in 2023 unless your situation is desperate

Or, the fact that people without a ton of money can still play games because they’re properly scalable is a good thing.

 

[StueyDuck]

Todds got something to say about that

 

[Silver Wattle]

Please stop comparing the tiddyflops of NVIDIA and AMD chips, they are different, and even the tiddyflops between rDNA 2 and rdna3 are very different.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Agreed, but path tracking is super unique. So unique that I've never heard of it before.

I'm playing Cyberpunk with path tracing now and it's amazing, it can make even most boring of objects look amazing, like this concrete pipe:

 

[Thirty7ven]

All of us who said Series S would be holding the generation back have been vindicated. The low end PC excuse is no more.

 

[64bitmodels]

All of us who said Series S would be holding the generation back have been vindicated. The low end PC excuse is no more.

Steam Deck & Switch 2:

 

[kvltus lvlzvs]

The Steam survey has a new top graphics card

September was yet another month in which the RTX 3060 proved to be the top-performing (up 1.4%) GPU among Steam survey participants. The expensive prices of the...

www.techspot.com

This means that the most used GPU by Steam users, has around the graphical power of a PS5, but with DLSS and better ray-tracing.
Steam has 132 million monthly active users in the last 30 days. So if we extrapolate that figure to the 6.27% of users with a 3060, that gives around 8 million users.

I'm curious as to what caused it to jump by 1.4%

I'm using a 3060

 

[Senua]

That being said, fuck the 1660, 1650, pretty much anything below 2060 performance. We really shouldn't have people using cards like that in 2023 unless your situation is desperate

People can use what they want tbh, if you just play low end/casual stuff or retro games exclusively then have at it. I held on to my GTX 1060 until the beginning of this year and was great for that! Even ran some modern stuff fine at 1080p

 

[64bitmodels]

People can use what they want tbh, if you just play low end/casual stuff or retro games exclusively then have at it. I held on to my GTX 1060 until the beginning of this year and was great for that! Even ran some modern stuff fine at 1080p

I can understand that, but it just feels redundant when its so cheap and easy to grab a card with 3x the speed in 2023.... we're out of the mining crisis, now

 

[winjer]

I'm curious as to what caused it to jump by 1.4%

I'm using a 3060

Steam only samples a portion of the user base. That means there is some randomness to these numbers.
We'll have to wait and see if these results remain in the next few months.

But the 3060 is one of the best value GPUs on the market. And plenty of people might have upgraded during the summer.

 

[amigastar]

I can understand that, but it just feels redundant when its so cheap and easy to grab a card with 3x the speed in 2023.... we're out of the mining crisis, now

I used a 2060 for the last 2 1/2 years. I upgraded to an RTX 4070 a few weeks ago. I'm glad that i waited.

 

[SolidQ]

We'll have to wait and see if these results remain in the next few months.

previous jump valve fixed next month

 

[Little Chicken]

That list tells me most people don't give a fuck about graphics.

 

[Gaiff]

The 1060 gaining more market share year-on-year is crazy to me. I recall a friend of mine kept bitching in 2018 that consoles were "holding back" gaming and he had a 1070. 2023 and know what he still has? A 1070. Strangely enough, I haven't heard him complain in a while.

 

[dreamstation]

Where's the 1070, I can still play CS2 a 2023 game at respectable frame rates. Everyone should use the valve engine, we on a winner here

 

[Mr Moose]

That's me! (I think I did a survey thing recently).

 

[MadPanda]

So you think it will have even lower tflops? Current PS5 has 10 tf.

Of course, around 17-18 if it happens, max 20 and I don't expect even that. If I'm wrong, customers win, but don't set yourself for disappointment with those expectations.

 

[amigastar]

Of course, around 17-18 if it happens, max 20 and I don't expect even that. If I'm wrong, customers win, but don't set yourself for disappointment with those expectations.

I personally don't care, i'm playing on PC. I even would welcome lower tf since my hardware would be relevant for a longer time.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Hey, 3060 in the house!

Plays all my sprite based games to perfection lol.

 

[SF Kosmo]

So people on the Steam have a PS5 equivalent hardware, but more expensive?!

Huh...

Most of them well below. The average PC gamer is not the PC Master Race elitist snob. In fact most games consider PC as their min spec (and scale up to it as a max spec at the same time).

This has become way more true in the last few years since GPU prices exploded too.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

My son has a 3060 and his system easily outperforms PS5 at 1080p.

It made him decide to switch over to PC and his PS5 is mostly collecting dust. Lol

 

[64bitmodels]

My son has a 3060 and his system easily outperforms PS5 at 1080p.

The PS5 doesn't usually go down as low as 1080p, though... it's running at 4k most of the time, or around that

 

[Hudo]

We'll probably see 3000 series cards dominating the top 10 for quite a while until Nvidia et al. decide to unfuck their prices.

 

[Thaedolus]

It is rumored the Pro will have 23 tf. My 4070 has 28tf.

Not to mention actually being able to do decent ray tracing and DLSS

 

[Killjoy-NL]

The PS5 doesn't usually go down as low as 1080p, though... it's running at 4k most of the time, or around that

True, but 1080p maxed out with like 100+fps is more than a fair trade-off.
Maybe the latest games are a bit more depending, but 1080p maxed out is more than sufficient enough.

Maybe his rig is even able to run at higher res and still outperform PS5, but his monitor is 1080p.

Tbh, 4k is overrated anyway. I don't think res is bad unless it drops below 1080p.
(Same as 30fps being fine unless it drops lower)

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Steam Deck & Switch 2:

Neither would have any kind of parity clause. MK1 runs like shit on Switch and people accept that. In fact handhelds were always downgrades and that is fine. We know what we were getting into. BG3 has disabled split screen on Steamdeck.

Series S, however, HAD to have parity with Series X. That is a problem that can't be solved.

 

[Gaiff]

The PS5 doesn't usually go down as low as 1080p, though... it's running at 4k most of the time, or around that

It most definitely isn't running at 4K most of the time and very frequently goes down to 1080p and even below in AAA games. The most recent games are incredibly punishing on the hardware.

 

[Kilau]

At least it has more than 8GB of VRAM. More than the 3070 and 3080

 

[Chastten]

I can understand that, but it just feels redundant when its so cheap and easy to grab a card with 3x the speed in 2023.... we're out of the mining crisis, now

€300+ isn't cheap for a lot of people, mate.

If graphics cards had the prices of around 2010, when you could buy a brand new last-gen midrange card for around €80-100, then I would agree with you. No reason not to upgrade. But for the current prices I'd say let people ride it out.

 

[64bitmodels]

€300+ isn't cheap for a lot of people, mate.

But it isn't 300 euros. It's like 170-220 USD. most people earn that in a single day of work.

Fuckin SlimySnake made a thread on how cheap a 2020 AMD midrange is today.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

This isn't good for my GTX 970's moral.

 

[LazyParrot]

I can understand that, but it just feels redundant when its so cheap and easy to grab a card with 3x the speed in 2023.... we're out of the mining crisis, now

If anything is redundant, it's buying a new card when you don't need it. A good chunk of the Steam userbase just plays Dota 2, CSGO or other F2P titles with toaster level system requirements. They have no reason to upgrade.

 

[Miles708]

No wonder i can't find a gtx1060 for cheap

 

[hyperbertha]

True, but 1080p maxed out with like 100+fps is more than a fair trade-off.
Maybe the latest games are a bit more depending, but 1080p maxed out is more than sufficient enough.

Maybe his rig is even able to run at higher res and still outperform PS5, but his monitor is 1080p.

Tbh, 4k is overrated anyway. I don't think res is bad unless it drops below 1080p.
(Same as 30fps being fine unless it drops lower)

4k isn't overrated once you go to decent screen sizes, ie anything above 35 inch.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

4k isn't overrated once you go to decent screen sizes, ie anything above 35 inch.

I've got a 55" A90J.
4K looks supercrisp, especially with HDR on a OLED, but 1080p is perfectly fine with maxed out settings.

Personally, I think 4K is overrated.

 

[Cramoss]

It's a great little card. When I had one it played CP2077 at High and some settings at ultra with no RT perfectly at 1440p. Looked great on my TV.

 

[Bernardougf]

It won't. Unless it costs 799 usd.

I hope so

 

[64bitmodels]

4k isn't overrated once you go to decent screen sizes, ie anything above 35 inch.

4k is overrated. even for higher screen sizes 1440p works just as well w/o a major perf drop.