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[Buggy Loop]

Get a 3440x1440. Once you ultrawide there is no coming back.

I went from a 1080p 27’’ 60Hz monitor to a 3440x1440p 34’’ 120Hz Gsync monitor.

I can’t go back. The only upgrade is ultrawide OLED eventually

 

[Goalus]

Because a console cant scale upwards like PC.
The person using a 3060 today can upgrade to a 4090 tomorrrow. Did you try that with your PS5?

I tried it with my Xbox One X. And it worked pretty well when I upgraded to a Series X.

 

[MikeM]

I've got a 55" A90J.
4K looks supercrisp, especially with HDR on a OLED, but 1080p is perfectly fine with maxed out settings.

Personally, I think 4K is overrated.

Can agree. I run a 65” LG C1 with both a PS5 and PC (7900xt) and have played Cyberpunk with RT at native 1080p for science. Still a great experience.

4k is nice but its only a piece of the image quality puzzle.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Can agree. I run a 65” LG C1 with both a PS5 and PC (7900xt) and have played Cyberpunk with RT at native 1080p for science. Still a great experience.

4k is nice but its only a piece of the image quality puzzle.

Temporal AA are doing all the legwork honestly. Raw 4K is worse than TAA'd 1080p in motion imo. 1440p is the sweeeeet spot. 4K was a push by TV manufacturers. 8K stupidity will appear soon enough.

 

[StereoVsn]

Or, the fact that people without a ton of money can still play games because they’re properly scalable is a good thing.

And look at the proliferation of handhelds with AMD 6800u and 7800u chipsets.

It’s amazing that we can get a lot of even newer games to scale down.

 

[twilo99]

true, but with the Pro cominng out these will look like shit in comparison

That being said, fuck the 1660, 1650, pretty much anything below 2060 performance. We really shouldn't have people using cards like that in 2023 unless your situation is desperate

The sense of entitlement in your statement is very strong…

No everyone out there has the disposable income required to satisfy some arbitrary hardware requirement anyone can come up with.

 

[sendit]

Series S + GTX 1650 users holding an entire generation back.

 

[Mithos]

As far as i know a 4070 costs 600€. How about that? Should be a good upgrade from your 2060 Super.

€600 will only get you a 4060 Ti here. €680 gets you the cheapest 4070 models, but different models of 4070 goes all the way up to €800+ here.

I wouldn’t get anything less than a 4080

Would require me to replace case and psu. also €1300 no thanks.

Edit:
Also my GPU budget is €500-600 MAX, so not possible to get the performance boost I'd want for getting a new GPU yet.

 

[GreatnessRD]

€600 will only get you a 4060 Ti here. €680 gets you the cheapest 4070 models, but different models of 4070 goes all the way up to €800+ here.

Would require me to replace case and psu. also €1300 no thanks.

Edit:
Also my GPU budget is €500-600 MAX, so not possible to get the performance boost I'd want for getting a new GPU yet.

Have you thought about the RX 7800 XT from AMD? Or you need Nvidia for the tracing rays?

To stay on topic, the fact the 6700 XT isn't higher on this list being like 30% faster than the 3060 for the same monies just makes me sad, lmao.

 

[Senua]

Series S + GTX 1650 users holding an entire generation back.

It's always been this way so

 

[ShirAhava]

Series S + GTX 1650 users holding an entire generation back.

This whole gen is cross-gen tho (with like a few exceptions)

In a world where the PS4 with its 2012 netbook CPU still gets new releases (AC6) how in the world is series s/1650 holding anything back?

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

The Steam survey has a new top graphics card

September was yet another month in which the RTX 3060 proved to be the top-performing (up 1.4%) GPU among Steam survey participants. The expensive prices of the...

www.techspot.com

This means that the most used GPU by Steam users, has around the graphical power of a PS5, but with DLSS and better ray-tracing.
Steam has 132 million monthly active users in the last 30 days. So if we extrapolate that figure to the 6.27% of users with a 3060, that gives around 8 million users.

The 3060 has been the most popular GPU on Steam since 2022. It's just most people and journalists are dumbasses, they don't actually read the chart past the to first listing to see the 3060 is split into 2 the desktop and laptop version unlike most GPUs, like for example the long time champion the 1060 who's listing is combined. When you add up the 3060 like the other GPUs it has been the top card for awhile now. Some PC hardware news sites caught up to this but most gaming sites have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

So people on the Steam have a PS5 equivalent hardware, but more expensive?!

Huh...

Technically the 3060 provides better looking games than the PS5 due to Nvidias RT core, Tensor core and software advantage.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

true, but with the Pro cominng out these will look like shit in comparison

That being said, fuck the 1660, 1650, pretty much anything below 2060 performance. We really shouldn't have people using cards like that in 2023 unless your situation is desperate

I'm excited for the pro but it's still AMD hardware which is drastically behind. I would have been happier seeing Intel hardware on the Pro not that it would make any sense with Sony's rightful focus on back compatibility. Hopefully the pro is RDNA4 and RDNA4 is way better than RDNA1 , 2 and 3 were in their heyday but I doubt that considering the last 17 years of AMD graphics hardware. That and the rumors aren't looking so good for it either.


Nvidia is running circles around all gaming hardware companies right now.

 

[BennyBlanco]

It’s funny how PC boys actually think the Steamdeck and its 3 million users somehow matter.

It’s funny how console boys will twist themselves into pretzels to downplay anything that isn’t from their favorite brand. The best looking game on the market CP2077 has a steam deck preset right in the options and runs fine on it. Cope if you must but steamdeck isnt going anywhere.

 

[MarkMe2525]

It is rumored the Pro will have 23 tf. My 4070 has 28tf.

Yeah, but even if this is accurate, younare comparing an AMD tf vs a Nvidia tf. This really doesn't tell you much. Add in tensor cores and we are left with a very large delta in possible performance difference.

 

[TheAssist]

true, but with the Pro cominng out these will look like shit in comparison

That being said, fuck the 1660, 1650, pretty much anything below 2060 performance. We really shouldn't have people using cards like that in 2023 unless your situation is desperate

In a world where a 4060 Ti costs about as much as a PS5, I would not call it desperate, but rather logical.

 

[TheAssist]

4k is overrated. even for higher screen sizes 1440p works just as well w/o a major perf drop.

I'm sitting pretty close to a 70 inch screen. I do not agree with you (but maybe its because of all that dynamic resolution, so that in many cases it doesnt even render 1440p). However 1440p is fine for my 43 inch PC monitor.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Series S + GTX 1650 users holding an entire generation back.

PS5 too as the minimum requirements for R&C is a GTX 960.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

It is rumored the Pro will have 23 tf. My 4070 has 28tf.

They aren't the same because they are drastically different architectures. Also remember TF is only a measure of fp32 compute, there's way more to a GPUs performance than fp32. And there's more to a PC and console than the GPU, what they do with the CPU for the pro is going to be critical. If it's just another old Zen 2 with higher clocks it's going to get demolished by even old PCs.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

It won't. Unless it costs 799 usd.

23 AMD Terraflops is pretty cheap to achieve. Their lowest end current gen card goes for $250 and it's 21 Terraflops with 32 (RDNA3) CUs (compute units equivalent to Nvidia SMs) that's a smaller and cheaper GPU than the PS5s RDNA2 36 CU GPU which is a larger chip.


The PS5 Pro is rumored to have a 60CU GPU, we still don't know if it'll be RDNA4 but as you can see 32 RDNA3 CUs can easily push 21TFs as AMD measures them so 60CUs even if running at much lower clocks should be able to exceed what 32 RDNA3 CUs can do at higher clocks.

 

[Thirty7ven]

It’s funny how console boys will twist themselves into pretzels to downplay anything that isn’t from their favorite brand. The best looking game on the market CP2077 has a steam deck preset right in the options and runs fine on it. Cope if you must but steamdeck isnt going anywhere.

It’s not about going anywhere, it’s about the silly idea that some AAA dev out there is thinking “we can’t do that because it won’t work on a Steamdeck”.

Not downplaying anything, you just have an overinflated sense of importance. Cyberpunk runs on an Xbox One.

3 million userbase is nothing.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

true, but with the Pro cominng out these will look like shit in comparison

That being said, fuck the 1660, 1650, pretty much anything below 2060 performance. We really shouldn't have people using cards like that in 2023 unless your situation is desperate

This mythical PS5pro will still not have DLSS.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

It is rumored the Pro will have 23 tf. My 4070 has 28tf.

The cheap 7600XT with 32CUs does 21 TFs as AMD measures them. The PS5 Pro should have no issue pushing 23TF even if running at drastically lower clocks. The key detail here is whether it's RDNA4 (it should be) or RDNA3. If it's 4 it's possible there will be a drop in TFs due to architectural changes, if it's 3 then 23tf for a 60 CU chip is way too low as RDNA3 on 60CUs right now (7800XT) does 37TFs at around 2400Mhz clocks.

The clocks on the PS5 Pro would have to be massively lower to have such a severe drop in TFs using RDNA3. For example the RDNA2 RX 6700 has 36 CUs (this is essentially the PS5s GPU) like the PS5 and it produces 11TFs which is close to the PS5s 10TFs and makes sense as the 6700 tops out at 2400Mhz while the PS5 tops out at 2100Mhz clock speed. So yea it's likely that RDNA4 will have much lower FP32 compute so TFs will be lower but gaming performance should be higher due to other changes.

 

[Thaedolus]

It’s funny how PC boys actually think the Steamdeck and its 3 million users somehow matter.

lmfao I’ve got 20 years of Steam library that I can play anywhere, that’s kind of important to someone that likes to play games

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

Please stop comparing the tiddyflops of NVIDIA and AMD chips, they are different, and even the tiddyflops between rDNA 2 and rdna3 are very different.

I myself love all tiddyflops despite their differences.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

We is pleased

 

[Thirty7ven]

lmfao I’ve got 20 years of Steam library that I can play anywhere, that’s kind of important to someone that likes to play games

Steamdeck is lovely, I agree. Specially for the reason you just outlined.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

I used a 2060 for the last 2 1/2 years. I upgraded to an RTX 4070 a few weeks ago. I'm glad that i waited.

Huge upgrade!

 

[mrcroket]

About 2080/S. 3070 is too much of a stretch. Doesn't mean PS5 can't offer a similar performance in select cases due to console optimization.

I explained myself wrong, I mean that it's between those two in rasterization.

 

[StealthGoblin]

It is rumored the Pro will have 23 tf. My 4070 has 28tf.

If the series X and PS5 have taught us anything it's not how many TF a machine has, but how it's throughout is designed to use it that matters.

Narrow and fast on the PS5.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Does the 4060 have a 16GB version? I am confusion.

 

[winjer]

The cheap 7600XT with 32CUs does 21 TFs as AMD measures them. The PS5 Pro should have no issue pushing 23TF even if running at drastically lower clocks. The key detail here is whether it's RDNA4 (it should be) or RDNA3. If it's 4 it's possible there will be a drop in TFs due to architectural changes, if it's 3 then 23tf for a 60 CU chip is way too low as RDNA3 on 60CUs right now (7800XT) does 37TFs at around 2400Mhz clocks.

The clocks on the PS5 Pro would have to be massively lower to have such a severe drop in TFs using RDNA3. For example the RDNA2 RX 6700 has 36 CUs (this is essentially the PS5s GPU) like the PS5 and it produces 11TFs which is close to the PS5s 10TFs and makes sense as the 6700 tops out at 2400Mhz while the PS5 tops out at 2100Mhz clock speed. So yea it's likely that RDNA4 will have much lower FP32 compute so TFs will be lower but gaming performance should be higher due to other changes.

RDNA3 uses dual issue instructions, but most games don't use them. So half the units are just sitting idle.
But if Sony makes a PS5 Pro with RNDA3 or RNDA4 that has dual issue units, they can have an SDK with a compiler with support.
So in that case, the GPU would perform like a 21 TFLOPS GPU.

 

[majorgamer10]

true, but with the Pro cominng out these will look like shit in comparison

That being said, fuck the 1660, 1650, pretty much anything below 2060 performance. We really shouldn't have people using cards like that in 2023 unless your situation is desperate

Or they just don't care lol

 

[Soodanim]

I'm playing Cyberpunk with path tracing now and it's amazing, it can make even most boring of objects look amazing, like this concrete pipe:

This screenshot is 100x sexier than people trying to show off neons reflected in puddles at night and all of the usual shit

 

[BlackTron]

I think this would be the expected card to eventually overtake it.

 

[Kacho]

This isn't good for my GTX 970's moral.

Here's a shotgun. Take it out back.

 

[Sleepwalker]

But it isn't 300 euros. It's like 170-220 USD. most people earn that in a single day of work.

Fuckin @SlimySnake made a thread on how cheap a 2020 AMD midrange is today.

Where im from 250 USD is what a lot of people make, monthly

 

[thatsafakewebsitebro]

My son has a 3060 and his system easily outperforms PS5 at 1080p.

Made him decide to switch over to PC and his PS5 is mostly collecting dust. Lol

Making your kid choose which platform to play his games is wild.

 

[LectureMaster]

If anything is redundant, it's buying a new card when you don't need it. A good chunk of the Steam userbase just plays Dota 2, CSGO or other F2P titles with toaster level system requirements. They have no reason to upgrade.

So true, been trying to inveigle my bud to buying a 4080 for a while and he was like why tf I need that? to run my Dota 2 at 900 fps? lol.

 

[8BiTw0LF]

Look mom I'm meta af!

 

[mitch1971]

Todds got something to say about that

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Making your kid choose which platform to play his games is wild.

Lol meant to say "it made him decide".

I'd pick PS5 over any PC always.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

RDNA3 uses dual issue instructions, but most games don't use them. So half the units are just sitting idle.
But if Sony makes a PS5 Pro with RNDA3 or RNDA4 that has dual issue units, they can have an SDK with a compiler with support.
So in that case, the GPU would perform like a 21 TFLOPS GPU.

There's no guarantee RDNA4 will have that same architectural design and frankly I don't think console games are going to perform significantly better than RDNA3 does on PC games simply because most devs don't go balls deep on console hardware anymore like we see with the Series X and PS5 features that still aren't used to their full potential.

 

[spons]

Unless my RX 580 8GB spontaneously stops working I'll stick with it. Back when another 4GB of VRAM was simply 15 bucks extra + tip. I'm glad AMD still keeps making hardware for devout mid-rangers like me but I really do see no reason to pay money when I can shuffle some sliders and start gaming instead.

 

[Dream-Knife]

The cheap 7600XT with 32CUs does 21 TFs as AMD measures them. The PS5 Pro should have no issue pushing 23TF even if running at drastically lower clocks. The key detail here is whether it's RDNA4 (it should be) or RDNA3. If it's 4 it's possible there will be a drop in TFs due to architectural changes, if it's 3 then 23tf for a 60 CU chip is way too low as RDNA3 on 60CUs right now (7800XT) does 37TFs at around 2400Mhz clocks.

The clocks on the PS5 Pro would have to be massively lower to have such a severe drop in TFs using RDNA3. For example the RDNA2 RX 6700 has 36 CUs (this is essentially the PS5s GPU) like the PS5 and it produces 11TFs which is close to the PS5s 10TFs and makes sense as the 6700 tops out at 2400Mhz while the PS5 tops out at 2100Mhz clock speed. So yea it's likely that RDNA4 will have much lower FP32 compute so TFs will be lower but gaming performance should be higher due to other changes.

Lower clocks = less heat = cheaper cooling.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Here's a shotgun. Take it out back.

 

[winjer]

There's no guarantee RDNA4 will have that same architectural design and frankly I don't think console games are going to perform significantly better than RDNA3 does on PC games simply because most devs don't go balls deep on console hardware anymore like we see with the Series X and PS5 features that still aren't used to their full potential.

I's not so much the devs, it's the current compilers.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

"Why Nvidia cards taking up all the top 10 spots on the Steam Hardware Survey is bad news for Nvidia and somehow good for AMD"

MooresLawIsDead, probably.

You mean Hardware Unboxed

 

[Xdrive05]

I love my EVGA 3060 12GB!

I mostly only play at 1280x1024 (100hz), 1600x1200 (85hz) and 1080p (120hz-240hz depending on which display), and of course it performs admirably at all those.