PC gamers are too busy playing games to care about that shit
Yea but I can't imagine the clocks will be that much lower. The PC version of the PS5 GPU boosts to 2400Mhz while the PS5 boosts to 2100Mhz that's a very small difference which saves the PS5 heat and power consumption as well as it means more dies are acceptable for PS5 use but the difference in TFs between the 2 is about 10% that's nothing compared to what we're looking at here.
Till you find a single game that doesn't support it and it's all downhill from there.
Obviously not since this thread exists...
why? my 4070ti and about 500$ less than a 4080 says hello
That doesn't mean they're "holding back the generation". That entire concept is ludicrous. Unlike consoles, PCs and Laptops aren't all made for gaming, and a ton of people don't make gaming performance their main criterion when buying one. Many of the most popular games on Steam (DOTA, CSGO and TF2 in particular) will run on just about anything, and millions of Steam users play those almost exclusively. They don't care about the latest AAA console ports, just like the studios making those ports don't care about them.
Maybe the rumors of it being 60 cus is false then.
One of the best demonstrations of Pathtracing i've ever seen. Holy shit.I'm playing Cyberpunk with path tracing now and it's amazing, it can make even most boring of objects look amazing, like this concrete pipe:
Based on numerous benchmarks of cross-gen of games that barely stream data, we can say it equals a PS5, but between the PS5's nearly double pixelrate and far more efficient AMD async compute and the FP16 rapid pack maths putting it closer to double 3060 teralops, or half the 3060 memory bandwidth required for the same as 12TF of Nvidia FP32, so saying they are equal isn't going to age well IMO, and I say that as one of those 3060 12GB Steam users that doesn't like fake frame generation or DLSS from sub-HD sources.
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This means that the most used GPU by Steam users, has around the graphical power of a PS5, but with DLSS and better ray-tracing.
Steam has 132 million monthly active users in the last 30 days. So if we extrapolate that figure to the 6.27% of users with a 3060, that gives around 8 million users.
Not really, RT beyond lower frequency signed distance fields for full scene RT lighting is hardly noticeable compared to complex rasterised indirect lighting in indoor scenes at short distnaces, so my 3060 without fake frames and DLSS, running cross-gen isn't going to be on par with PS5 exclusives by the end of the gen IMO. I doubt the PC port of Spiderman 2 will on balance without fake frames, and without DLSS compare favourably even at this early stage of leaving cross-gen.
At a native base level without eye candy near plane RT, the 3060 isn't a match for the PS5 in non cross-gen gaming. Nvidia can try and use fake frames and inferenced pixels, but in a fair scientific native resolution, with micropolygons and shader fx and SDF indirect lighting where the FP16 competes with FP32 units doing FP16 calculations, the 3060 isn't an equal, even now, and techniques from studios that produced great results by today's standards on the lowly 1.84TF PS4 are only going to widen that gap IMO.
Accelerated FP16 has been a thing for Nvidia since Turing, thanks to tensor cores. All Nvidia GPUs have had far better FP16 performance since then.
Then you tweak it to support it.
All the features you mention except for AF and RT, ultimately have to generate many fragments per pixel, fragments that eat up pixel fillrate, which is much less on the 3060, so geometry isn't superior on the 3060 and the number of micro-polygons on display in the PS5's first unreal engine 5 demo that used 8K textures too certainly indicates that the specs comparison favours the PS5 by a considerable level with complementary software.
Why is it referred to as Async lite/light on Nvidia cards then, and why did Unreal Engine 5 demos not immediately benefit from it to all hit 60fps?
I am still rocking a r9 380x, come at me.
I'm not sure what you mean by Async lite? Async on Nvidia Maxwell actually cost performance, on Pascal is did very little, but since Turing it has offered better improvements with Ampere being really good. I'm not sure if Ada offers any further improvements.
I'm not talking about overdraw at all, but the candidate fragments that are generated when geometry gets decomposed ready for rasterization.Engines like UE5 adjust in real time, the amount of tris per pixel. Between the hardware and software, a lot of geometry is culled. So there is not that much overdraw.
And at resolutions like 1440p, a GPU like the 3060 won't become bottlenecked by pixel fill rate. I fact, pixel fill rate and texture fill rate haven't been a bottleneck in modern GPUs, for quite a while. Things like memory bandwidth and shader throughput, are much more likely to be one.
But the thing is, a 3060 rarely will be bottlenecked by geometry throughput. While the PS5 is more likely to be.
There is also the issue of how memory bandwidth can affect the efficiency of ROPs. And how the hardware is designed.
Example, a 5700XT has pixel fill rate of 121.9 GPixel/s. A 2070 Super has 113.3 GPixel/s. One would expect the 5700XT to win this.
But in the real world, the 2070S wins by over 22%.
The thing is, Nvidia has a much better support for Delta Color Compression.
AF2X will always look much worse than AF16, especially at oblique angles.
Using high resolution textures and then using AF2X is a waste of texture detail as then they will show up muddy and lacking detail.
Better to use lower res textures and be able to sample them more times to produce a cleaner image.
Again, we have to lower detail on the PS5, to be able to keep up with the 3060. Because on a 3060, AF16X is basically free. But on the PS5 it takes a serious hit to performance.
Come on. It's not just RT. It's RT, and memory bandwidth, and geometry and tessellation, and ML.
Yes, there is the possibility of using SDF's on the PS5, as a form of cost saving.
But it's less precise and will never look as good as RT in the 3060. Especially if using DLSS 3.5 to upscale and denoise RT effects.
Could be, or the TF numbers are wrong. We'll have to see.
