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[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

so what does that make the EU then? you are saying punish those who dare to question our authority! that will not end well

I thought the EU was all about tolerance, and now you want to nail us to the mast for wanting out

I've seen a lot of this sentiment.

"If they play hardball, then we were right all along"
"If the EU want to act authoritarian, if gives legitimacy to those who feel it's a dictatorship"

Here is the thing. The moment we decided we didn't want to be in the EU, our opinion and the opinions of those who agree with us do not matter.

It's not being vengeful, spiteful or simply authoritarian. Is simply, you don't want to be here, fine. Fuck off.

I really hope the UK can stall for as much time as possible, but I will not begrude the EU for wanting us out quickly and potentially making steps to get us out quickly.

We can screech about how unfair it all is on our own time outside the EU. To EU leadership, it's not the UK that matters, it's the Union. Don't want to be a part of it, then get out the way.

 

[StNd]

Cameron's body language on BBC news channel right now looks very sombre. He looks a broken man.

I was thinking the exact same thing! It's like he has one thought on his mind: what on earth have I done???

 

[darkwing]

Seen on FB/Twitter....

you have to admit, the Leave campaign made their point across more effectively

 

[kmag]

Not quite true. In 2005 Scotland stopped there being a hung parliament, which, given 2010, probably would have been a Con-Lib coalition. There's probably others, but that's the most recent one to come to mind.

The links would have done a deal with labour ash down admitted as much remember this was before Cameron's detoxification of the Tory brand and just after the hague ids and whathisname the something of the night guy

 

[Xun]

Really! I can not believe I keep reading this on GAF, I suggest you try to imagine how you will feel when your'e 60 and some young kid tries to tell you that you dont matter as you will dead soon

just think about it!

I'm not being serious, but I do feel there are too many politically inept people who want to harken back to a "better time".

 

[Beefy]

The biggest problem is the UK is the most divided it has ever been. Scotland want a indy ref, remain voters are pissed, leave voters think remain voters are salty. People are losing their jobs so hit out at the leave voters( rightly so). So divided like hell.

This country is fucked, all because Cameron had to gamble on winning a election and fueling his ego. He then hit the whole of the UK with a crippling austerity that pissed people off. What the fuck did he think was going to happen? Now this country is in a even worse state and he fucks off.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

To make an example of the UK that you might break up and loose everything when leaving the EU? And they don't have to fire one shot (to quote Mr. Farage here), they just have to slightly encourage the UK on it's path to disintegrate itself.

It's more likely EU will disintegrate before the UK. Brexit opened the door for other countries and made them realize it's possible to leave.

 

[nature boy]

That bolded bit makes Europe sound so democratic

/s

You expect the EU to support anti-EU policies?

 

[31GhostsIV]

Is it naive of me to think this might still be turned over by Parliament?

It was a 1.9% win, does not reflect the public wants to leave, it reflects the public is split down the middle and that split it too close to make such a drastic change.

Especially if we realise Scotland will leave and that weakens our entire stance.

MPs should stop being selfish pricks and do the right thing and not pursue ahead with this.

If October is the deadline team remain should be protesting and petitioning to have this be re-voted until there's a clearer margin of for parliament to do their job and do what's best for the country not themselves.

I think something is 'afoot' because off the stalling. The problem is they've backed themselves into a corner, and even as a Remain voter I don't like what this means for democracy if it's overturned.

The vote should have had a 'clear majority' of 60% for a win from the outset but it's a bit late for that now.

I also believe if the results were reversed, Boris would still be leveraging his way into the role of PM because 16 million/almost 50% still wanted out and they would be behind him. He'd have got into power when Cameron stepped down next year (as suggested he would do anyway) and invoke a second referendum. All conjecture, but I could see Boris eventually being PM whatever way the vote went and I don't believe Leave would stop at one referendum if they were on the wrong end of such a close result.

 

[PJV3]

We've done that before and all it does is legitimise increasingly right wing Tory governments. Six years of Tories (in coalition with a 'moderating' party, even) is all it took to undo all of the Blair government's improvements to welfare. It's a losing fight for Labour.

Corbyn is increasingly obviously not the man to win that fight, I agree, but the alternative is nothing more than a rearguard action against the continued Torification of the British political landscape.

Yeah, If labour isn't left wing the only place you will hear left wing ideas is buying the Socialist worker, nobody wants that.

Corbyn is too weak/nice for the coming battle, he will be sidelined by the Tories and the press.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Seen on FB/Twitter....

That has to be a joke.

Really! I can not believe I keep reading this on GAF, I suggest you try to imagine how you will feel when your'e 60 and some young kid tries to tell you that you dont matter as you will dead soon

just think about it!

Fair enough. I think you're right, it's not fair of me to vote for something that won't impact me because I'll be dead

But then I'm not a self centred cunt, so that's just me...

 

[Jimbob Smalls]

My guess is that it's just a matter of convenience...easier to have preliminary meetings with the big players now and then larger meetings with everyone later. You don't really need 28 countries round the table right now.

Yep let the big players sort out their interests first and foremost. Sounds like a great Union.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

That bolded bit makes Europe sound so democratic

/s

Nothing undemocratic about it. Being part of any Union means certain benefits, but also certain concessions. UK voted no to both the benefits and what they perceived to be drawbacks in a democratic referendum. The democratic thing to do for the rest of EU would be to listen, which means UK lose the benefits as well as the drawbacks.

That some think that the UK would be able to decline the things they don't like while keeping the benefits is, frankly, laughable.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

The links would have done a deal with labour ash down admitted as much remember this was before Cameron's detoxification of the Tory brand and just after the hague ids and whathisname the something of the night guy

Possibly. In which case, can I blame Scotland for not making sure the UK got electoral reform?

Spoiler

only 7% serious

 

[Dorsal Axe]

Cameron's body language on BBC news channel right now looks very sombre. He looks a broken man.

Bloody hell, I nearly didn't recognise him. He's aged overnight.

 

[kmag]

No

It's almost like a.......dictatorship

Oh is the mean old eu being cruel to ickle old England. Welcome to the new world order

 

[PdotMichael]

Do people expect the EU to just take this and give the UK all the leverage it wants?
Are you aware of the word "consequences"?

Brussels shows its true face! No surprise that such bad tasting vetable is named after them.

 

[Alx]

That bolded bit makes Europe sound so democratic

/s

The point of an alliance/union is to defend the common interest of its members against those of other countries. By leaving EU, UK by definition isn't part of that union any more, and thus EU will defend the interest of the remaining members against those of UK if necessary.

 

[Kadayi]

The process is in full motion and there's no one in the UK who seems to be able to lead the nation through this.

It's the recipe for utter disaster.

Can I get those lottery numbers?

 

[Boy Wander]

Got to get those young people voting, right?

There are knobheads across all walks of life. Thickos and flagrant racists are too easy a target. There was more at play here, unless you're suggesting 53% of the UK falls into the same category as this fuckwit.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

It's more likely EU will disintegrate before the UK. Brexit opened the door for other countries and made them realize it's possible to leave.

It was always possible to leave, the article is even posted some pages back. Everybody was afraid of the consequences. Now well see what they actually are, on a global scale.

 

[2MF]

You are not part of the system anymore, you have no saying in it.

Actually the UK is still part of the EU.

 

[Hjod]

From the article:

As has been wryly noted already, there is only one precedent to refer to here. Greenland left the EU in 1985 after two years of negotiation. It has a population of 55,000, and only one product; fish.

This slayed me...

Yeah and they take their fishing seriously, the defeated the UK, West Germany and Belgium in the infamous Cod Wars

 

[eBay Huckster]

There are knobheads across all walks of life. Thickos and flagrant racists are too easy a target. There was more at play here, unless you're suggesting 53% of the UK falls into the same category as this fuckwit.

plus "those young people voting" are probably the biggest reason why leave only got 53% of the vote

 

[kaizoku]

I think something is 'afoot' because off the stalling. The problem is they've backed themselves into a corner, and even as a Remain voter I don't like what this means for democracy if it's overturned.

The vote should have had a 'clear majority' of 60% for a win from the outset but it's a bit late for that now.

I also believe if the results were reversed, Boris would still be leveraging his way into the role of PM because 16 million/almost 50% still wanted out and they would be behind him. He'd have got into power when Cameron stepped down next year (as suggested he would do anyway) and invoke a second referendum. All conjecture, but I could see Boris eventually being PM whatever way the vote went and I don't believe Leave would stop at one referendum if they were on the wrong end of such a close result.

Like people have said I think maybe Boris didn't actually want to win, he was doing this as a popularity contest and when leave lost he could use it as a jumping board into PM in a few years.

That or he wanted Cameron to do the hard work, fail and then he can step in and save it all. Now he has to do the hard bit he might not be so keen.

Or maybe his position is just to contrast with Farage's victory pose attracting derision.

Either way those fuckers have screwed us over for their own power.

 

[GHG]

That has to be a joke.



Fair enough. I think you're right, it's not fair of me to vote for something that won't impact me because I'll be dead

But then I'm not a self centred cunt, so that's just me...

There are a lot of bitter old people in the UK unfortunately.

 

[Jimbob Smalls]

Really! I can not believe I keep reading this on GAF, I suggest you try to imagine how you will feel when your'e 60 and some young kid tries to tell you that you dont matter as you will dead soon

just think about it!

There's some childish, immature drivel being posted. I'm out.

 

[Z3K]

Hmmmmmmmm lol , wanna leave? fine, but I'm going to make you pay and forget the day you were born

That's the EU's modus operandi though, they will move to punish the UK at all costs.
There are many countries in Europe that have waited for this day for years as they've always seen the UK as a petulant child and will now get their chance to dish out the punishment.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

On the odd occasion when labour moved to be indistinguishable from socially liberal tories we got decent even over representation however thanks to evel scots are effectively barred from most of the cabinet positions except maybe defends and foreign secretary. You can't have chancellor who can't vote for 80% of his own fucking budget

Well we have been forced into these positions by nationalism and identity politics and it is only going to get worse across the whole of Europe and the USA.

 

[Azoor]

Now this is just depressing.

 

[twobear]

Yep let the big players sort out their interests first and foremost. Sounds like a great Union.

You mean exactly like how the Cabinet meets and decides things before the rest of government?

Come on, not holding meetings with every single member of a particular body is just common sense.

 

[Bedlam]

so what does that make the EU then? you are saying punish those who dare to question our authority! that will not end well

I thought the EU was all about tolerance, and now you want to nail us to the mast for wanting out

What on earth makes some people think that leaving will result in a better deal as before? Naturally, and logically, not being part of the union will result in a lesser benefits. What would be the point of being part of a union otherwise? The UK, as a member with special benefits which often caused a lot of division and pain for the union btw, already had the best deal possible. It's going to be worse in this regard for the UK but not because of the EU's spite but because of the decesion to leave.

 

[FunkyMonk]

God did they not cover this in modern studies at school in England or something. We covered it in 2nd year in Scotland

It may have changed since I left school in 1997 but we weren't taught a damn thing about the EU, judging off the utter ignorance many people display regarding the EU and its structure nothing's changed.

 

[31GhostsIV]

Really! I can not believe I keep reading this on GAF, I suggest you try to imagine how you will feel when your'e 60 and some young kid tries to tell you that you dont matter as you will dead soon

just think about it!

60? Im fine with that. Many haven't even retired at 60.

Our local news had a 99 year old man voting Leave though, which is a little on the ridiculous side, don't you think?

 

[Audioboxer]

There are knobheads across all walks of life. Thickos and flagrant racists are too easy a target. There was more at play here, unless you're suggesting 53% of the UK falls into the same category as this fuckwit.

Of course there is.

But you can't deny harmful narratives spread like wildfire on today's social media.

 

[Tyaren]

It's more likely EU will disintegrate before the UK. Brexit opened the door for other countries and made them realize it's possible to leave.

If the example I was talking about is dramatic enough there won't be any other country thinking it is possibe to easily leave.

 

[oti]

Can I get those lottery numbers?

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My friend, I don't claim to know what's going to happen. Nobody does. But as a Greek who's grown up in Germany and has studied Economics I am very anxious right now.

 

[Spaghetti]

"EU being mean to us makes them a dictatorship"

Holy shit have I seen this too many times today. The EU aren't going to give us a sweet deal, we HAD a sweet deal already given our general special treatment in the Union. We get the Norway deal or nothing, and considering the Leave campaign evoked Norway in their campaigning ("We can have the same deal as Norway who are successful outside the EU!"), I sincerely hope they don't piss and moan when they get exactly what they want.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Now this is just depressing.

I agree with the sentiment. There are a lot of young people who were born EU citizens who firmly identify with Europe, and they've been forcibly ejected by right wing older types who don't give a shit.

This has caused a clear division between me and a lot of older people I know.

 

[kiguel182]

Interesting to see that Merkel wants to "be nice" to the UK and preserve their relationships while the EU parliament seems very adamant that the UK leaves quickly and that they won't offer any special treatment to them.

EDIT: And, as I said before, if they offer them a great deal is a spit in the face to the other EU countries, specially us poor ones who are treated like shit every time we try to negotiate some better conditions for ourselves.

 

[BKJest]

It's more likely EU will disintegrate before the UK. Brexit opened the door for other countries and made them realize it's possible to leave.

The Divided Kingdom will definitely disintegrate before the EU.

 

[KingSnake]

It's more likely EU will disintegrate before the UK. Brexit opened the door for other countries and made them realize it's possible to leave.

No, it's not. That's just British fantasy.

 

[theaface]

You know what really grinds my gears? The attitude which goes a bit like this...

"The decision has been made, the country wants out and that's democracy, end off. Now we should all just accept it, come together, roll our sleeves up and make this thing work."

To which my response is:

1. Democracy and freedom of expression encompasses a right to disagree and to peaceful protest.
2. Almost half of the country did NOT want this at all.
3. For the 48% who did not want this and saw through the lies and empty promises, why the fuck should they be responsible for making it work? It was clear as day that the Leave campaign had no plan and Remainers voted accordingly but now we should be all 'tally ho, let's pick up the pieces'. No. Johnson, Gove, Patel et al, and by extension everybody who voted for this shitstorm, are accountable. They are the ones who should explain how we move forward, rather than simply go to ground as most of them have done today.

In short, why should half the country accept a mistake the other half made with a smile on its face and be just as liable for fixing it? To paraphrase Full Metal Jacket: we're paying for it, you eat it.

 

[Boy Wander]

Of course there is.

But you can't deny harmful narratives spread like wildfire on today's social media.

Worked pretty well 80 years ago without social media too. Not buying it.

 

[Bedlam]

Of course there is.

But you can't deny harmful narratives spread like wildfire on today's social media.

One of the biggest problems of our time.

 

[Beefy]

60? Im fine with that. Many haven't even retired at 60.

Our local news had a 99 year old man voting Leave though, which is a little on the ridiculous side, don't you think?

The guy that was crying as he had his "country back"?

 

[nature boy]

Interesting to see that Merkel wants to "be nice" to the UK and preserve their relationships while the EU parliament seems very adamant that the UK leaves quickly and that they won't offer any special treatment to them.

Merkel has her own issues (AfD and the refugee crisis), she doesn't need another big problem.

 

[twobear]

You know what really grinds my gears? The attitude which goes a bit like this...

"The decision has been made, the country wants out and that's democracy, end off. Now we should all just accept it, come together, roll our sleeves up and make this thing work."

To which my response is:

1. Democracy and freedom of expression encompasses a right to disagree and to peaceful protest.
2. Almost half of the country did NOT want this at all.
3. For the 48% who did not want this and saw through the lies and empty promises, why the fuck should they be responsible for making it work? It was clear as day that the Leave campaign had no plan and Remainers voted accordingly but now we should be all 'tally ho, let's pick up the pieces'. No. Johnson, Gove, Patel et al, and by extension everybody who voted for this shitstorm, are accountable. They are the ones who should explain how we move forward, rather than simply go to ground as most of them have done today.

In short, why should half the country accept a mistake the other half made with a smile on its face and be just as liable for fixing it? To paraphrase Full Metal Jacket: we're paying for it, you eat it.

I mean that's fine to a certain extent but I don't really want Nigel Farage to have a significant hand in the direction of my country. At least not any more than his poisonous touch has already had.

 

[Mythos]

Although the whole situation is fucked up, and i feel sad for all the young people who will now have to suffer, on the other side, i'm kinda glad that all the benefits the UK got all this time is gonne now. The UK always lived above everyone else in the EU, like you are so special, everything had to be like you wanted, how do you think the the rest of the EU felt all the time?

It's no wonder everyone wants you now out as soon as possible. There are no special treatmenst anymore, it's done.

edit: all the young people who voted Remain, should just come and live in the EU with us, in a Union, like brothers and sisters.

 

[StayDead]

I agree with the sentiment. There are a lot of young people who were born EU citizens who firmly identify with Europe, and they've been forcibly ejected by right wing older types who don't give a shit.

This has caused a clear division between me and a lot of older people I know.

Same here. I was born of the EU and its being taken away from me. It really sucks.