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Time for Xbox to clean house and plan the next-generation console
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bitbydeath
Member
Pete Hines already left.
amigastar
Member
No, please not. That's literary the best thing for PC to happen.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It’s not that difficult, PS5 is the only place to play these big sellers below (regardless of whatever you personally think of them, they are way more popular than MS exclusives):
Spider-Man Miles Morales
Horizon Forbidden West
God of War Ragnarok
Gran Turismo 7
Spider-Man 2
Final Fantasy XVI
Plus they get to play third party games like:
CoD
Madden
MLB
FIFA
Elden Ring
Hogwarts
Etc
Only one platform can claim all of that. With Xbox the only differentiator is GamePass, which doesn’t feature any of those massive exclusives, and none of the biggest third party ones are on GamePass.
So unless you’re a hyper fan of Halo and a bunch of lower tier AA games (which are still good, but far less popular), there’s simply not a compelling value on Xbox for most consumers in comparison to a ps5
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Of course everything is subjective but the numbers don’t lie in terms of what most consumers feel is more compelling
havoc00
Member
was just saying if you owned a ps4 you cant play 2 of those games listed?
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Cross Gen games are irrelevant. They want an upgraded way to play those cross gen titles
BootsLoader
Banned
I don’t talk about the customers and their benefits, I am talking about the XBOX division benefits.
StueyDuck
Member
The fact is that even if we like it or not, they are making money, and that's all the big wigs care about. To them uncle Philly is bringing is the Ka-ching so doesn't matter if it's poop.
This 70bil consolidation tactic will be interesting though. I expect alot of layoffs in the next few years from ABK under MS. But maybe it'll bleed enough money that might force a leadership shakeup. Seems to me they like Phil's direction of simply owning all of gaming and pricing out the competition. When you the only kid in town selling games then you make all the money and that's what good guy Phil is trying to accomplish
This 70bil consolidation tactic will be interesting though. I expect alot of layoffs in the next few years from ABK under MS. But maybe it'll bleed enough money that might force a leadership shakeup. Seems to me they like Phil's direction of simply owning all of gaming and pricing out the competition. When you the only kid in town selling games then you make all the money and that's what good guy Phil is trying to accomplish
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havoc00
Member
Maybe I’m in the minority but no way I’d want to play a upgraded version of a single player game I grinded though esp something as long and bloated as horizon death stranding or ghosts
Damian black
Member
If things havent changed in 10 years, if not for the worse, what makes you think they'll change now?
The path is set. They'll keep buying publishers, or at least try and keep selling fewer and fewer consoles.
They dont care, their fans dont care, so why do you?
The path is set. They'll keep buying publishers, or at least try and keep selling fewer and fewer consoles.
They dont care, their fans dont care, so why do you?
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
They have to be carefully not to burn fans they have still, so they have to wait 2 more years.
Then, I think they should take thier cash and buy next gen.
Release an xbox ultimate. 30 tf. Dual boots windows and xbox on seperate hard drives.
Sells for $299. Includes elite controller, Cod 2025 and forza for free. 12 months of gamepass free too.
Alternatively, releaae a switch like hybrid that plays series s profile games, oled screen, and comes with a wireless hdmi receiver. 12 free months of gamepass, 2 free games. $299.
Sure ms would lose 10 billion or so on either, but they would get market penetration......
Then, I think they should take thier cash and buy next gen.
Release an xbox ultimate. 30 tf. Dual boots windows and xbox on seperate hard drives.
Sells for $299. Includes elite controller, Cod 2025 and forza for free. 12 months of gamepass free too.
Alternatively, releaae a switch like hybrid that plays series s profile games, oled screen, and comes with a wireless hdmi receiver. 12 free months of gamepass, 2 free games. $299.
Sure ms would lose 10 billion or so on either, but they would get market penetration......
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Tell me you didn’t play Ghost of Tsushima without telling me you didn’t play ghost of Tsushima. It’s not bloated at all. Neither is Horizon.
What’s up with Xbox fans lying to themselves? Don’t you get it that you are simply not enough anyway? Look at the fucking numbers.
It’s like you lot already saying “wait for next gen” how tone deaf and deluded can a group of people be? They have to deliver right now, this gen, or next gen is over before it began.
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Rockondevil
Member
I'm no expert and I'm sure Microsoft would love to sell as many as they can but do they need to sell as many as Sony and Nintendo to be successful?
Toyota sold many more cars than Mitsubishi this year but both are successful.
I get it's a completely different market, and consoles only really have 3 companies compared to vehicles and it's probably comparing apples to oranges.
I dunno, ya know. Like I'm a good runner, but I'm never catching Usain Bolt.
Toyota sold many more cars than Mitsubishi this year but both are successful.
I get it's a completely different market, and consoles only really have 3 companies compared to vehicles and it's probably comparing apples to oranges.
I dunno, ya know. Like I'm a good runner, but I'm never catching Usain Bolt.
meech
Member
There is. I only have a mini pc with a integrated weak gpu thats good enough for browsing the net and Office.The Xbox is a cheap option to play games i would otherwise need a more expensive gaming pc for.
meech
Member
Exactly, only Spiderman 2 and Returnal are appealing here for me, thats it.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
honestly, though, this is BS. He has had enough time. In 2006, sonys immediate course correct meant Ken stepped down and Kaz took over PlayStation, in the 7 years that was the PS3, he had completely righted the ship and laid the groundwork for what became the PS4, sonys 1st party cinematic experiences and e collaborative nature of sony with regards to their IPs today.
Phil has had 6 years leading up to the release of a new console, and another 3 years since said console released.
Sorcerer
Member
I think Phil is clutching at straws, swinging in a wild direction hoping to gain some traction and hoping it works And it isn't. Microsoft being Microsoft can throw money at the problem, but I believe that an ultimatum has been been given and Phil only has so much time left before the plug is pulled.
40 studios you have no idea how to manage vs 10 studios you don't know how to manage isn't a game changer. Just an insane juggling act that of course will spiral out of control.
It is rather incredible how much Phil has aged in a short time. The stress of trying to stop the Microsoft Xbox Titanic from hitting the iceberg must be life draining.
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MonkeyClaw36
Member
Yeah, kill the 1 thing that is actually keeping the platform alive. Good move........... NOT!!
BootsLoader
Banned
Kill the 1 thing that is sucking money without making any profits and kills the Studios that make games exclusively for MS because they sell it for almost free on GamePass.
MonkeyClaw36
Member
That's not the point. Gamepass is a system seller. Not the current games. Kill that and the Xbox brand is done for. (And maybe for the better)
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BootsLoader
Banned
Then it is not the correct system seller, they should come up with better solutions. PlayStation Portal (which is an accessory, not even a console) sells better than Xbox consoles in some regions, plus, console systems are not making a lot of money, software makes a lot of money and MS is killing its software with GamePass.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Do you really think, actually fuck thinking... do you believe, gamepass is keeping the Xbox platform alive?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
When people bring this up, they completely ignore that the experience on PS5 is drastically better experience than PS4. You get a MUCH better game on PS5.
A game running at 4K/60 with better visuals is pretty much a different game than the one running at 1080p/30.
But please let’s pretend that a game running at 1080p/30 is the same game as it running at 4K/60 fps.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
A system seller? Then why is Xbox systems selling down….
Topher
Gold Member
Plenty of people are playing those games for the first time on PS5.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
Topher
Gold Member
Other way around. Games are the system seller. Game Pass doesn't exist for the sake of Game Pass.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
They need games??......still??? LMAO
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Bernoulli
M2 slut
Outside of here nobody cares about gamepass
Topher
Gold Member
25 million subscribers isn't nothing.
MonkeyClaw36
Member
20+ million people beg to differ.
Topher
Gold Member
I'm one of those 20 million and I don't own an Xbox.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Like, we KNOW their entire initiative with all these studios has BARELY even started, right? All this blah, blah, Microsoft should go 3rd party, blah, blah, is gonna hurt when all the developers are churning out games like intended; 4 AAA games per year. They accomplished the start of that initiative THIS year, all ready.
There are some MASSIVE heavy hitters on the way. CoD 2024 will be a day one Gamepass release. And there's a slew more on the horizon. No one's thinking about when the next Doom, ES6, FH, Gears, HBII, Fable, ( there's a bunch more i can't remember) that will be Xbox exclusives. I can guarantee NO ONE on GaF will be singing this tune in the very near future. We arent even going to mention ABK and CoD games hitting Gamepass next year.
Everyone is talking about how Microsoft should leave the business. Hell, they're just getting started. This thread is......over zealous, to put it lightly.
They should have started 3 years ago.
MonkeyClaw36
Member
The world is bigger than Gaf only. Explore it.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
2018 was the start. I'd say it's going pretty well. I've got plenty to play. In fact, I have so many games I don't even sub to GP anymore. I resub when there's a game I really want to play but aren't sure if i want to make am investment. Still a great service.
That said, all this rhetoric sounds like the last big push to get Xbox out of the game before the tsunami hits.
MonkeyClaw36
Member
And MS is........FUCKING LTTP to put it lightly. They done fucked up, bet on the wrong horse and now they are trying to reduce loss by buying up big studios.
It's an act of desperation my man.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
That's why the casual consumer doesn't even know that gamepass exists
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
They don't need to sell as many consoles as Sony or Nintendo to be successful. GaF is literally in it's echo chamber right now.
What's crazy is how you have to ignore EVERYTHING else about the Xbox platform to even come to suggest such a thing as Xbox going 3rd party, or that they need consoles sales to be successful. It's fascinating to see some try, though...
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Except, they haven't. Again, consoles aren't the end - all - be - all for Xbox. Even for a Sony centric forum like GaF, that's been a well known fact for years.
And, how is buying up big studios and whole ass publishers an "act of desperation?" To the time of $100 billion plus? Are you okay?
Stare-Bear
Banned
I got it for free with my broadband and never use it...
Topher
Gold Member
You may believe that, but I sure don't. Five years is plenty of time for these studios to have produced at least one game. I'd say Playground and Obsidian have done ok, but their new games are still lagging far behind. The Initiative, Compulsion and Ninja Theory should have produced something by now. Where the hell is The Coalition? How the hell was Redfall allowed to happen? Not going to dream up excuses for pisspoor production. Sorry.
And nothing I said has anything to do with MS going third party or leaving the industry.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
The point people are missing is that the current situation is vastly different from past generations because MS no longer needs to make consoles. GamePass and the cloud offer a complete alternative and they have direct access to the PC and Mobile spaces via their recent acquisitions.
The console part of their business is looking increasingly marginalized. For fuck's sake when the boss of the division cops to the fact that they can't "out-console" their competition, what does that tell you?
It says to me that they'll retain interest in/commitment to gaming, just not necessarily via the traditional console model as its a sub-market that they find difficult to achieve the desired success with.
The console part of their business is looking increasingly marginalized. For fuck's sake when the boss of the division cops to the fact that they can't "out-console" their competition, what does that tell you?
It says to me that they'll retain interest in/commitment to gaming, just not necessarily via the traditional console model as its a sub-market that they find difficult to achieve the desired success with.
