A high refresh rate was just a stopgap for variable refresh rate - whack the number high enough that everything divides by it.
You'll be very happy with a variable refresh rate tv when your Sony kicks the bucket.
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To OLED, or not to OLED
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You'll be very happy with a variable refresh rate tv when your Sony kicks the bucket.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
For me personally when HDR is done right its one of the bigger game changers there is
Problem is, especially on PC, HDR is so hit or miss
Tarin02543
Member
I plasma.
Bojji
Member
Mini led is just (another) update to old and tired LCD tech. If someone cares about IQ there is only option right now, OLED. In the future micro LED will be the best in everything but we are still few years away from it.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Just got a 65in Bravia OLED A80K a couple months back, and i couldnt be happier!
Hardensoul
Member
I’m fine streaming on the 1080p TV. I play PC games on my 1440p 27inch 144hz LED monitor G Sync.
I’m fine for now!!
Quasicat
Member
I was up in the air last week on which LG to pick up…an OLED or a QNED. I have a ton of natural lighting in my living room and love to watch TV with the windows open during the day. After going back and forth, I did go with the QNED. For me it was a good compromise as it has a much better picture over what I had before but is something I can practically use in my home.
mitchman
Gold Member
LG OLED G3 is 1500+ nits with HDR and above 200 nits with SDR (above 200 nits is considered almost too bright with SDR).
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
With that MLA tech its getting much better
StereoVsn
Member
Actually that's a good point. OLED looks better at higher frames.
mitchman
Gold Member
Yepp. I'm getting one once I've moved into my new house.
Games of Today
Member
Sure but the type of TV is a pretty big deal if you're trying to get the most out of games or movies. Not everyone cares that much and others simply don't know the differences. It just depends on how in depth you want to go.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
New video from these guys, basically what everyone knows don't watch anything with a static element for hours/days/weeks on end and you're fine
Bojji
Member
Dude, there is no way you can damage your tv, only with some static screens and both LG and PS5 have protection against that.
HUD elements are other thing that can potentially do some damage but you would have to play only one game for many hours every day.
Thirty7ven
Banned
It’s all cool and dandy until you’re in a dark room and suddenly LED TVs have terrible blacks.
Good luck with subtitles. Yeah you gotta make them grey and get used to the halo effect.
If you are afraid of burn in, and are generally an anxious person avoid them, because it’s not worth losing sleep over that.
Good luck with subtitles. Yeah you gotta make them grey and get used to the halo effect.
If you are afraid of burn in, and are generally an anxious person avoid them, because it’s not worth losing sleep over that.
Yes you are. Screen size matters.
daveonezero
Banned
What is hours? Like 2 hours?
Ulysses 31
Member
I've gone from high-end LCD to OLED and back to LCD(8K QLED), the difference wasn't that earth shattering unless in a dark room watching star fields.
Again, screen size matters. I went from 65 inch LCD to 78 inch OLED and the difference is very, very significant. My TV is now a better experience than going to the movies.
Ulysses 31
Member
I does but in my case I went from a 85" QLED to a 77"OLED(LG CX) to a 75" newer QLED, I stand by what I said.
DryvBy
Member
I have a 65" OLED Bravia. It definitely looks good but it's not near the eye popper OLED fanatics claims. Its a cleaner overall image but my bedroom 55" Bravia I changed from I use daily too and it's perfectly fine.
Shit I don't understand this at all
to each their own but its a night and day difference for me with 4k content and videogames
cinnamonandgravy
Member
i did that, and the depth of OLED color instantly blew me away, even after having a kuro plasma.
but ive been waiting decades for "perfect" blacks, and poor black levels have always really annoyed me.
black levels affect all color gradients.
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cash_longfellow
Gold Member
Idk. That’s a good question. I personally play on an older Samsung LED and have no qualms at all about it. It has game mode and HDR and has done me well since pre-Covid. My brother has a newer high end OLED and I legitimately can not see the difference in the two. I would say, go with OLED high end (or even Q) if you are deep into recognizing visuals…if not, don’t waste your money.
As a disclaimer, I care more about smooth and colorful gameplay more than anything.
As a disclaimer, I care more about smooth and colorful gameplay more than anything.
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hybrid_birth
Member
I have a high end Mini Led Samsung tv. My friend said it was like looking through a window.
It was expensive so im not upgrading anytime soon.
When i do upgrade it will be micro led.
It was expensive so im not upgrading anytime soon.
When i do upgrade it will be micro led.
reinking
Gold Member
I did consider a C2 before getting this TV. There are a few things about OLED that I think would drive me nuts if I notice it.
1. Auto-dimming. I know there was an issue with auto-dimming that was updated but I am still concerned about it auto-dimming in the middle of a movie/show/game. Does this happen in normal use?
2. Pixel/image shift. How noticeable is this? I don't expect the image to jump by a half inch but it would still annoy me to notice the image shift.
I do not plan to abuse the tv but I am also not going to baby sit it. It will be used about six hours a day on weekdays and more on weekends. I doubt I would want to dabble in removing these features but I need to know how noticeable they are before making a decision.
Edit - Thank you for the answers but it looks like I am stuck with the TCL. I thought BB had a 30-day return policy. It turns out I am on day 17 of a 15-day return period. I would have picked up a TV from Costco or through Amazon if I had realized BB did not offer at least 30 days.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Auto Dimming was only fixed on C3 that is releasing now.
1.You can disabe it with a service remote. it's nmed TPC and GSR... but I only have c1 experience so maybe I am wrong.
2.Not at all. It's not visible to me
over 5k hours on my c1. looks brand new
MadchesterManc
Member
To be honest you don't need to babysit an OLED much given all the protective stuff they have these days, your usage sounds exactly like mine and I've had Philips 806 a year with no issue - even use it mainly with the PC.
1. Only time I notice the auto-dimming is around static elements like a game HUD, but this is supposed to happen and can be disabled on my Philips in the regular menu anyway. Haven't noticed any other dimming, I hear much talk about ABL but I haven't faffed with that, but general use for me is playing games, streaming anime & watching UHD Blurays and it seems fine
2. Pixel shift is not noticeable at all. If it wasn't for running MSI afterburner occasionally I wouldn't even know the TV was doing it.
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MikeM
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I have a C1. Never noticed anything except for the odd time auto-dim does its thing in dark games. Usually a pause menu corrects it.
Stare-Bear
Banned
I got an LG B7 from 2017 and it’s still going strong. No burn in, amazing picture quality and even the smart apps are still snappy and responsive.
Soodanim
Member
I'm under the impression that it's not quite as simple as this because of motion, where OLED isn't quite as good as LCD. If image quality includes motion clarity, that for me is the key factor
Ulysses 31
Member
It's also a bit of simplistic view that LCD is sub par now that there's OLED, a high-end LCD will look pretty similar to an OLED in a lot of cases and in cases where it doesn't, it's still not in bad territory.
He also overlooks the color volume advantage LCDs have over OLEDs.
Bojji
Member
It's actually because OLED is better with motion, near instant pixel response time can make 30fps content without motion blur look juddery. LCD smears image much more so it has natural motion blur to compensate low refresh content. Most games have some kind of motion blur toggle, plus 40fps modes and VRR (with low frame rate compensation) makes this non issue most of the time. With PC even drops to 30fps in games can look quite ok thanks to frame doubling (or tripling) with gsync\feesync engaged.
High end LCDs can look quite good but price difference between them and OLEDs shrinks too much. I wanted to buy Hisense mini led before my B2 but price difference was to small for me to stick with LCD tech.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Been replaying Uncharted 4 remaster and it's still INCREDIBLE playing and looking game.
Since I disabled GSR, TPC and started using DTM, some games just got a new life like this one.
It has no right to look this breathtaking. I am playing this game for like 6th time lol and I always take such along time.
I spend especially long swimming around the pirate island with the boat. The weather change with overcast, wind and distant lighting booms is just something else. Must be my fav non story moment in the game.
Just to highlight how awesome Oled handles highlights when playing at night. 1st photo of whole tv and of course iphone dynmic range cannot handle it. it somewhat gets the picture right on the iphone but then it converts when copying.
2nd pic close to the tv, so I can focus just on the opening. It's so brigh
Since I disabled GSR, TPC and started using DTM, some games just got a new life like this one.
It has no right to look this breathtaking. I am playing this game for like 6th time lol and I always take such along time.
I spend especially long swimming around the pirate island with the boat. The weather change with overcast, wind and distant lighting booms is just something else. Must be my fav non story moment in the game.
Just to highlight how awesome Oled handles highlights when playing at night. 1st photo of whole tv and of course iphone dynmic range cannot handle it. it somewhat gets the picture right on the iphone but then it converts when copying.
2nd pic close to the tv, so I can focus just on the opening. It's so brigh
Mister Wolf
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Kakax11
Banned
this is stunning
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Chronos24
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The fear of burn in is just too great for me to ever own an OLED. I've personally seen so many TV's (yes even recent ones) with that problem and as a gamer I definitely couldn't. While I agree that PQ is best with an OLED, it's not THAT much better than LED-LCD. Speaking of that, the brightness is also a big thing for me. I love a very bright TV that's also color accurate and my recent purchase of a Samsung Qn90c has been excellent in that regard. OLED TV's have gotten brighter, much so in fact but still the overarching problem of burn in is just too great.
Ulysses 31
Member
With how I use my screens, burn-in would be a constant worry after a few months.
Bry0
Member
I’ve been using a 48 inch CX almost every day with my pc. I hide the taskbar and use a black background. I have no detectable burn in and the tv is around 4000 hours of screen time, and I turn it off if I step away from my pc for more than 5 minutes or so.
It’s amazing looking in games, but I will admit it would be nice to not have to think about these things and just leave it on like I do with my lcd monitors, but once you taste those perfect black levels it’s REALLY hard to go back to a normal backlit lcd. Going from playing LAD gaiden on my oled to steam deck at night was brutal. The game has tons of high contrast noir lighting that looks incredible on oled and awful on the deck screen.
I had to install the steamos 3.5 preview just for the better screen calibration options to make it look better.
It’s amazing looking in games, but I will admit it would be nice to not have to think about these things and just leave it on like I do with my lcd monitors, but once you taste those perfect black levels it’s REALLY hard to go back to a normal backlit lcd. Going from playing LAD gaiden on my oled to steam deck at night was brutal. The game has tons of high contrast noir lighting that looks incredible on oled and awful on the deck screen.
I had to install the steamos 3.5 preview just for the better screen calibration options to make it look better.
ABrokenToy
Member
MicroLED will be the future where each pixel is a micro LED that can independently turn off. Could be vaporware too though.
