Shifty1897
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Imagine owning stock in a business that decided to throw away 700 million dollars in sales.
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Xbox expected Starfield to sell 10 million copies on PS5 but decided it's worth more as an exclusive
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I still think MS will ultimately release Starfield on PS5 by this time next year when all the DLC is out. Who knows what the sells will be.
MisterXDTV
Member
Too little, too late...
The game didn't deliver in both quality and sales...
Those 10M copies cannot be recovered
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
But, but... "when we all play we all win", amirite ?
I don't give 2 fooks about sales numbers between consoles, I don't care which is the "best" one to play on, I don't care about people fighting over video games of all things...
Wanna play Halo, Forza, Gears ? Get an Xbox, wanna play God of war, Uncharted, TLOU2 and GT ? Get a PlayStation, wanna play Zelda and Mario games ? Get a Nintendo console, it's simple really - what I do care though is cancerous, abysmal, hypocritical and absolutely BS goody two-shoes PR bullshit, shit's so transparent that it's actually funny, and yet, I really, really don't get how some people fall for it.
HeWhoWalks
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I mean, did you come in here to tell us that or out yourself?
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Shakka43
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As a PS5/PC owner I was interested in the game until they revealed you couldn't fly into planets by yourself. Exploring the galaxies and entering different planets' atmospheric fields with realistic graphics was all I cared about. NMS does this but I'm not too into that games' neon punk graphics.
PaintTinJr
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How do you work that out? If PlayStation had paid £100M for a 12month console exclusive deal and were offering dev support, the game would have landed when it was in a good shape, like all exclusives do, no?
Trying to make the games failings about the creation engine is a false argument. You could add a first class engine and game programmer of Carmack's capability to work with the engine and he'd find the source of problems in under two months, because in the same way someone sending a rocket into space starts by picking strategies that minimise risk of software bugs, he - or someone at the same tier - would do the same and turn the engine into a processing centric solution that treats data in a more bulk process generic way, to eliminate issues and maximise throughput. Crap strategies can cripple any engine. Just think how much more RAM and how much less increase in data processing Starfield does on XsS/XsX compared to Skyrim on PS3's measly 256GB dedicated RAM and shared GDDR3 - between RAM and VRAM - and then tell me this is a engine specific constrained issue. It isn't, it just needs refactoring by someone with System analysis skills like an engine developer to change the strategy....something which a successful PlayStation probably has in abundance to help others.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Revenue wise it would do wonders at that point it's free money. But it's pretty much means that Gamepass didn't move the needle all that much.
No doubt. there was little chance they would ever recover the 10M sales they would lose. In fact, I'd expect 3-5M at that point.
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Negotiator101
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Seriously are you even typing this with a straight face? So if this was a PS console exclusive some wonder mind at PS would have fixed all the problems the creation engine has?
PaintTinJr
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Specifically, unlike Skyrim's memory leaks on PS3, what specific Creation issues are you atributing to Strarfied's commercial issues that couldn't have been easily fixed by it being supported as a 12mont exclusive on PS5?Seriously are you even typing this with a straight face? So if this was a PS console exclusive some wonder mind at PS would have fixed all the problems the creation engine has?
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Killjoy-NL
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You don't care about sales, but MS doesn't really seem to care much either because their consoles sell like shit.But, but... "when we all play we all win", amirite ?
I don't give 2 fooks about sales numbers between consoles, I don't care which is the "best" one to play on, I don't care about people fighting over video games of all things...
Wanna play Halo, Forza, Gears ? Get an Xbox, wanna play God of war, Uncharted, TLOU2 and GT ? Get a PlayStation, wanna play Zelda and Mario games ? Get a Nintendo console, it's simple really - what I do care though is cancerous, abysmal, hypocritical and absolutely BS goody two-shoes PR bullshit, shit's so transparent that it's actually funny, and yet, I really, really don't get how some people fall for it.
Buying publishers means nothing if it's only to undermine Sony and to stay relevant.
Output still is mediocre and it doesn't seem like much will change.
MacReady13
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Microsoft gaming division sadly at the moment are only looking at 1 thing- putting on more "content" into their stupid sub service. So long as they have companies to pump content into their sub service, they're happy it seems, no matter the quality of the content.
Gambit2483
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Apparently Forza Motorsport couldn't even crack Amazon's 100 best sellers list. I'm not sure if that says more about Forza or about the Gamepass effect of physical (and maybe even digital) salesThe only thing Im excited about with this game is to see what sales numbers will be, because 99% of people will be playing via RentPass.
Even with that percentage being hyperbole I bet it'll still end up being Bethesdas lowest selling game. Renting it for a month doesnt count as a sale, kids.
Microsoft on release week: "3 million downloads via GamePass"
"Well what about sales numbers?"
Neofire
Member
While I despise that MS removed a title that was already in development from a platform, I agree with your statement.But, but... "when we all play we all win", amirite ?
I don't give 2 fooks about sales numbers between consoles, I don't care which is the "best" one to play on, I don't care about people fighting over video games of all things...
Wanna play Halo, Forza, Gears ? Get an Xbox, wanna play God of war, Uncharted, TLOU2 and GT ? Get a PlayStation, wanna play Zelda and Mario games ? Get a Nintendo console, it's simple really - what I do care though is cancerous, abysmal, hypocritical and absolutely BS goody two-shoes PR bullshit, shit's so transparent that it's actually funny, and yet, I really, really don't get how some people fall for it.
Chuck Berry
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It says more about Xbox
digoutyoursoul
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The game doesn’t deserve that kind of success.
anothertech
Member
It's now on MS to show us they can stop churning out utter shit.
We're still waiting.
We're still waiting.
Duchess
Member
I'd rather they port Hi-Fi Rush, if I'm being totally honest.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I would say that Starfield could be rescued by DLC, but the no amount of DLC will fix the fundamental issue most have with the game: Lack of exploration. They can't bring back the magic of wandering to an objective and then being veered off the beaten path to find another settlement and a new story. I remember running into a random person and it blossomed into a full blown daedric quest in Skyrim. In a galaxy system they can't really add something like that in. It was replaced with random encounters.
People criticize the graphics, the stiff animations. Whatever. I don't give a shit about that. I can put up with that.
If Starfield came to PS5, I have a hard time believing it wouldn't sell at least 3M copies.
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Astray
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I don't think it's as clear-cut as you think it is.
No Man's Sky launch version was a Sony timed exclusive that supposedly had that kind of support and it didn't do great.
Dick Jones
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The game ran fine. The issue with NMS was no PR support to Hello Games. Seán Murray overpromised on features that would not be at launch and when the game came out people were duped. The game's free updates brought the game to what was promised. Hopefully it is a learning moment for Hello Games. They did the right thing and worked away at it. They could have easily ran off with the money.
PaintTinJr
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Take your pick. No Man's Sky (launch disc version which I have)still represents the best ever version of Star wars or Last Star fighter, (original) Battle Star Galactica style planet entry and exit of any game to date IMO and even in its launch state is a fantastic game experience whether talking AA or AAA games.
I personally had no issue with what I got for the measly sum of under £40 at launch, and everything they've added since has just been amazing bonus.
It is ironic you'd mention Hello Games, because Murray and his team is exactly what Starfield development would have benefitted from, so I find it quite saddening in an almost Beckham hate campaign type of way, that a passionate, enthusiastic developer making a GaaS was basically hauled over the coals for delivering a fresh product that wasn't quite at the GaaS milestones it had been showcased at.
If all publisher put out AA games at No Man's Sky's AA launch level with amazing new immersive features like they did - with some AA bugs and temporary A - AA content limitations - and then worked tirelessly to make it everything they could and more for 8years, the games industry would be in a much better state and the whole discussion around Starfield would be different. Features in the launch disc of No Man's Sky still aren't implemented in a massive 250 million dollar developed AAA game in the same genre 8years later and you think just adding developer support from ability at Murray's level from Sony wouldn't have improved Starfield, still?
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elmos-acc
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I'm going little bit off-topic, but is it even reasonable to assume that Starfield would ever have been a PS console exclusive, even if MS didn't buy Zenimax? It's a new big RPG title from Bethesda, not Deathloop or Ghostwire: Tokyo - scale game that needs a little bit of funding and marketing push from a platform holder.
And I do not think that timed-exclusives get a significant amount of support from Sony. Maybe if it is an indie studio, but Zenimax has pretty much all the same resources as SIE.
DEAD ORIGINAL
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This is a boring game though let's be honest how many hours in till you gave up?
PaintTinJr
Member
Microsoft bought Zenimax because PlayStation were interested in making Starfield a timed-exclusive because Bethesda needed extra funds, and IIRC Square-Enix has already mention recently that their deals with PlayStation is as much about the development support as it is the money.
Mortisfacio
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I'm giving up at the 17 hour mark. I think it was IGN that said "It's not often I recommend a game that takes 10+ hours to get good, but that's just the kind of game Starfield is" or something along those lines. At the 17 hour mark I'm just getting burned out on the running around talking to people or useless side quests like "Go get my coffee!". It's just... not fun. I'm willing to reserve that it might be bias or burnout, though. Just spent 100+ hours on BG3 and another 100+ hours replaying CyberPunk and the expansion. Another long open world game to follow might just not be the right timing.
Sushi_Combo
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It was still a success for Engagement though.
FunkMiller
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DenchDeckard
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Let's see how many millions it sells on playstation now ms. You may have screwed yourself here.
Stuart360
Member
Most of the negativity around the game is manufactured. Make no mistake this well sell on Playstation.
I'm just waiting for all the 'Actually the games not that bad' posts lol.
DJ12
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DenchDeckard
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I guess there's going to be fun to had from all sides. Laughing at how badly microsoft miss judged how these acquisitions and gamepass etc is going to deliver entertainment for a long time.
Lawd...
I had to see what I posted....
Whew. There is a saying "Money Talks and Bullshit Walks" Sometimes its just "Money Talks."
Either way....it never made financial sense. They bet on it moving alot of consoles or subs and it didnt do either one.
I had to see what I posted....
Whew. There is a saying "Money Talks and Bullshit Walks" Sometimes its just "Money Talks."
Either way....it never made financial sense. They bet on it moving alot of consoles or subs and it didnt do either one.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This was exactly it. They took a bet and it didn't work in the slightest. They have no option but to go third party now. They've inherited thousands of staff that need wages covered. They've fucked it completely.
They better hope sony and nintendo owners buy the games or they are screwed.
I bet Phil and Co are fucking screaming that they didnt make this decision while the court case was going on. They could have probably avoided a shit load of head ache.
bender
What time is it?
YeulEmeralda
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Hawking Radiation
Member
Who's call was it to let these games all go multiplatform?
Seems not too long ago Xbox seemed all too keen to keep StarField exclusive?
Is Phil still in a job? Why the massive u-turn on all their prized IP's?
I have SOOO MANY QUESTIONS? What a wild day
Seems not too long ago Xbox seemed all too keen to keep StarField exclusive?
Is Phil still in a job? Why the massive u-turn on all their prized IP's?
I have SOOO MANY QUESTIONS? What a wild day
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MisterXDTV
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I guess it was really worth it as an Xbox exclusive
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