Exactly , i can't remember the last time i had trouble with a game...I think it was EUIV and it was because Paradox fucked up a patch. I don't know how someone that owns a gaming pc, says something like that. Either these people have their pc completely fucked up or i don't understand their point of view. Been gaming on pc for 20 years, never been easier.
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Pc will be the dominant gaming platform going forward.
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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What are you doing?!?!Distant third, OP
Don't show them facts...that's the WORST thing you can do.
Fbh
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There's 2 PC markets though.
You have the more enthusiast market that gets mid to high end hardware intending to play a lot graphically demanding "AAA" games. I'd say that's the one in direct competition with something like a Ps5 and as cool as PC is I don't see how that market will ever overtake console with current ridiculous GPU prices. There was a glimmer of hope when the 3xxx series got announced and they seemed to have great price to performance ratio, but it all went to shit and we are back at the $400 console vs $1000+ just for the mid tier GPU alone scenario.
And then you have the much bigger market of games optimized to also run decently on low end hardware. Things like MOBAS, Minecraft, Roblox, CSGO, Rocket Legue, probably like a billion chinese multiplayer games that aren't available in the west, etc. I definitely think that market will continue to grow
You have the more enthusiast market that gets mid to high end hardware intending to play a lot graphically demanding "AAA" games. I'd say that's the one in direct competition with something like a Ps5 and as cool as PC is I don't see how that market will ever overtake console with current ridiculous GPU prices. There was a glimmer of hope when the 3xxx series got announced and they seemed to have great price to performance ratio, but it all went to shit and we are back at the $400 console vs $1000+ just for the mid tier GPU alone scenario.
And then you have the much bigger market of games optimized to also run decently on low end hardware. Things like MOBAS, Minecraft, Roblox, CSGO, Rocket Legue, probably like a billion chinese multiplayer games that aren't available in the west, etc. I definitely think that market will continue to grow
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DeepEnigma
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The streamer influence is definitely one of the biggest changes over the past 5 years or so. Kids play en masse on PC now in a way i've never seen, where before consoles were kid central.
rickybooby87
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Which model did you get?
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
R11 with a 2070 super
SenjutsuSage
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The dominant gaming platform is whatever you're playing on that delivers the kinds of games you wish to play.
MikeM
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Dominant for the 1% of earners perhaps. GPU pricing has made console gaming even more appealing. I wanted to build a PC but lol at the price. Affordability is not the issue, its how much performance you get for the $$$. If building from scratch, its not worth thousands more for some prettier graphics and more FPS (excluding any PC driver headaches).
rickybooby87
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I think the most comparable thing now is either an R10 or an R12, equipped with a 3060ti, and those are $1800-$1900. So that's the equivalent of XSX+PS5+$800-$900, not to mention accessories.
also, both consoles have up to 16GB of VRAM (Minus OS stuff).
It may take a few years before something get's down around that price range to offer similar price/performance ratio, and by then, we'll probably see system refreshes from both, thus resetting the cycle all over.
SafeOrAlone
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Turkey will be the dominant sandwich meat in the coming years:
- turkey is healthier than other sandwich meats, such as ham or roast beef
- turkey goes well with both savory and salty condiments
- turkey is more affordable than other meats
- turkey is healthier than other sandwich meats, such as ham or roast beef
- turkey goes well with both savory and salty condiments
- turkey is more affordable than other meats
Topher
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That's simpler, sure. That doesn't make it a "problem" though. Picking a PC isn't that much more difficult than other tech. What kind of phone do you want? What kind of TV? Anyone not just buying blindly will have to do some research. Even consoles. It isn't just "buy a PlayStation". Do you buy a PS4, a PS5, an Xbox Series X, an Xbox Series S, an Xbox One, a Switch.....etc.
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Not as long as GTA games take a year + to release on PC. I need them shits ASAP.
Plus I simply just prefer console gaming.
Plus I simply just prefer console gaming.
Captain Toad
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OP....
Wrong.
Wrong.
small_law
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The PC parts shortage is due to a perfect storm of dozens of factors, but it's largely because a lot of people bought PC's over the past year. Every time I run out to micro center, the place is packed. Not just with people trying to get a GPU, but people who found themselves at home this past year with decade-old tech that wasn't cutting it anymore.
When it comes to growth, the pendulum between PCs and consoles has always swung back and forth. I've been into this hobby for 35 years and this is the first time I've ever seen both segments uptick so much at the same time. A lot of people just jumped into the swimming pool.
When it comes to growth, the pendulum between PCs and consoles has always swung back and forth. I've been into this hobby for 35 years and this is the first time I've ever seen both segments uptick so much at the same time. A lot of people just jumped into the swimming pool.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
If you want to price yourself out it’s fine but there are plenty of systems in the $1200 range that do everything great. When instock of course.
Excess
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I'm actually an analyst. What looks obvious to you may be glaringly arbitrary and questionable to others.
Possible Scenario:
(Mind you these estimates are not entirely accurate either, but they demonstrate why this data is unreliable in the question of whether PC gaming is or is becoming the dominant platform)
Game A: Assassin's Creed Odyssey
Platforms: Xbox, PlayStation, PC
Revenue: ~$60 million
Game B: Candy Crush
Platforms: PC, Mobile
Revenue: ~$473 million
Misleading Conclusion: Mobile and PC gaming are the dominant markets.
BattleScar
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Can't dominate anything if the cost of entry is astronomical.
sunnysideup
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Mobile is a completely different market.
Its not really gaming. It might be in the future. But as of now. Not so much.
Its not really gaming. It might be in the future. But as of now. Not so much.
synchronicity
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I've never cared too much about delivery method of gaming. I love consoles/PC/handhelds. It's all good to me. I *do* prefer gaming on PC, but there's room for a variety of platforms imho.
balt1kr1s
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PC is dominating in developing countries because personal computer is all in one source of entertainment in many houses as they can’t afford luxuries like consoles and games for them.
Once developing countries will be actually developed, people will be able to afford luxuries including dedicated entertainment devices like consoles.
The only thing PC always will be dominant at is money laundering through services likes G2A.
Mobile market goes over both consoles and PC anyway lol
Once developing countries will be actually developed, people will be able to afford luxuries including dedicated entertainment devices like consoles.
The only thing PC always will be dominant at is money laundering through services likes G2A.
Mobile market goes over both consoles and PC anyway lol
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Tell that to Tesla.
imsosleepy
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how wil pc be the dominant gaming platform when new video cards cost an absolute fortune and waaay overpriced and are just unavailble lol
Fuz
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Look how ALL of the consoles are grouped up.Distant third, OP
DeepEnigma
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LazyParrot
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What exactly is being included here? Just software sales, or hardware and accessories too?Distant third, OP
CaptainofIndustry
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No, it is and will be the Vita
Bruno_Arrais85
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As a PC and Console gamer, I disagree.
Sentenza
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The console space seems to be dominant in autism.
Even without questioning the legitimacy of these numbers (which everyone should, anyway) it's hilarious how when it's convenient to the argument "consoles" somehow seem to magically turn into a monolithic single entity, rather than several distinct and competing platforms.Distant third, OP
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Spidey Fan
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Pc systems now days are good (not counting the gaming pc). The ssd on pc systems makes the loading time much faster. there are tons of games that work on low pc systems. I had intel uhd 670 laptop. I used to play skyrim with mods, other games which weren't graphic demanding.
Now days, new laptops have ssd. With ssd, the games like skyrim which takes alot of loading screen, are now nonexistent. The only problem those systems where the video ram, which was 1gb.
I recently bought built in pc for $500 from best buy. It has and ryzem 3 3100, with Radeon rx570. I can run rd2 fine with 30-40 on high settings at 1080p.
That how pc community is. Poor people can save for those systems, and still play demanding games like rd2 at high settings. They won't get 4k or 60 fps though.
Now days, new laptops have ssd. With ssd, the games like skyrim which takes alot of loading screen, are now nonexistent. The only problem those systems where the video ram, which was 1gb.
I recently bought built in pc for $500 from best buy. It has and ryzem 3 3100, with Radeon rx570. I can run rd2 fine with 30-40 on high settings at 1080p.
That how pc community is. Poor people can save for those systems, and still play demanding games like rd2 at high settings. They won't get 4k or 60 fps though.
Shadowstar39
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I would normally agree with this, but have you tried to get a gpu? If nvidia and amd can't deal with thr scalper/miner problem then nothing will change.
If people can't buy new gpus at reasonable prices than new people can't play, and people needing to upgrade or replace broken equipment can't play or have to pay $900+ for gpus that were under $300 8 months ago. It's insane.
These companies don't do shit about it either. Nvidia was supposed to re-release 2000 series cards to help but it never happened. Those articles came out in January /February about this. The non mining cards aren't being pushed out in mass yet, where are they?
If people can't buy new gpus at reasonable prices than new people can't play, and people needing to upgrade or replace broken equipment can't play or have to pay $900+ for gpus that were under $300 8 months ago. It's insane.
These companies don't do shit about it either. Nvidia was supposed to re-release 2000 series cards to help but it never happened. Those articles came out in January /February about this. The non mining cards aren't being pushed out in mass yet, where are they?
Topher
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Kind of like new consoles?
Spidey Fan
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The problem with this, people only focus on those with high end systems. 4k won't mean nothing, without 4k systems (tv, monitor). Most pc game player game on 1080p monitors with high refresh rates.
My Radeon rx570 with and ryzen 3 3100 works good with rd2 at 30-40 at high settings. Imagine what other cheaper and stronger gpu than mine could do.
I also run doom eternal with high settings fine. Couldn't do nightmare, since my video ram is low.
My pc is pre-built best buy with everything, except monitor, for 500$. And it also upgradable.
nemiroff
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I don't know about this one, but I know that some of these lists circulating in the past have been focused on narrow conditions like cut-off frontloaded top sales lists (thus favoring console demographics) which we all know is just one part of PC gaming. It's all a bit uncertain data. Peddie research f.ex. put out some data that showed that high end PC gaming is by far the largest demographics worldwide. But again; It all depends on definitions and context.
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Spidey Fan
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One thing about the new consoles is that they need $1k tv for 4k viewing. That is the price of the gpu equivalent of the new console system. And I can get 4k monitor for 300$. $1200 for high pre-built pc gaming+ 300$ monitor is the same price as 500$ console with $1k tv 4k. Especially considering that consoles need high picture quality tv, with high quality sound to benefit their console. That thing adds to the console price. But people don't care apparently.
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NathanDiego
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I lost the count of how many times I heard that over the last 2 decades.
Sygma
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Extremely doubtful because pc lost its identity a long time ago. Around when Division 1 was getting developed, industry turned around and introduced the concept of graphical parity which is why we get so many multiplatform ports and so few real exclusives pushing tech boundaries
Pc became the place where things run better but theres virtually no good reason to own one if you're focused on gaming outside of the graphical advantages with a high end spec. Or if you're into some games which aren't on consoles such as Dota 2, CS GO and whatnot. Its such a fucking boring platform. I don't get why most of the "major" advancements have been made on ps4 this gen. Theres nothing looking remotely close to Tlou 2, UC 4, God of War and whatnot developed only for pc whereas we literally had Stalker, Crysis, Far Cry and all that stuff not tooooooooooo long ago
Like, seriously. Give me one game able to compete with Horizon Forbidden West
Pc became the place where things run better but theres virtually no good reason to own one if you're focused on gaming outside of the graphical advantages with a high end spec. Or if you're into some games which aren't on consoles such as Dota 2, CS GO and whatnot. Its such a fucking boring platform. I don't get why most of the "major" advancements have been made on ps4 this gen. Theres nothing looking remotely close to Tlou 2, UC 4, God of War and whatnot developed only for pc whereas we literally had Stalker, Crysis, Far Cry and all that stuff not tooooooooooo long ago
Like, seriously. Give me one game able to compete with Horizon Forbidden West
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Spidey Fan
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New cards aren't everything. New consoles are mid range video cards.
Plus Pc has pre-built gaming pc. Which majority of people ignore.
The only difference between consoles and pc are the medium system.
Pc has monitors which are cheaper, while consoles need 4k tvs to utilize the capability of the console.
My x1s and ps4 base are being hundred by a bad TV from the 2010s. I can see the small pixels from the TV. I can't upgrade it, since the TV is working fine. Its just not built for gaming.
Skyrim on that TV is horrible, compared to skyrim on my old monitor from 2014 with 1080p and 60hz.
Jibran#one
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If ur a gamer and want to play games without any hassle PC is the worst thing by a country mile
Hackers in competitve games
No game trading
Graphics card prices
Big games launching after years aka rdr2 GTA 5
The list goes on and on how pc is hands down the worst
Hackers in competitve games
No game trading
Graphics card prices
Big games launching after years aka rdr2 GTA 5
The list goes on and on how pc is hands down the worst
Jibran#one
Member
Dude u can use the same 300 dollar 4k monitor for the console too
this looks like stupidity to a whole new lvl just to proove ur pointLazyParrot
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To me it looks like they're counting money from non-software sales for consoles, but not mobile and PC.
I mean, it makes sense at first glance. Console makers make not only the consoles themselves, but everything from additional controllers, headsets, charging cables and storage expansion cards to wireless adapters, cameras and console stands, and the money they make selling all of that stuff is part of their reported revenue. So why wouldn't you count them?
The problem is that while mobile and PC gamers obviously need to spend money on hardware too, there is no easy way to keep track of how much they spend and what they spend it on. There is no reliable method for these analysts to know whether someone bought a phone, laptop, SSD, keyboard, computer case, graphics card or power supply for gaming, after all, so in the end they either have to guess, or nothing gets counted at all.
Spidey Fan
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Says the person who don't even game on pc. Pc has the benefit of playing all of the old games from 2000s to now. Which consoles can't (the XSeries needs a patch, and ps5 can't play ps1 to ps3 games without remastering them).
Graphic wise, pc is better.
The problem with pc is the store front. For consoles, there are 3. Xbox, Playstation, and Nintendo. You make games for those audiences and reek all the money, compared to pc.
PC is a battlefield ground. Steam, windows, epic, ea store, bethesda, blizzard, ubisoft, Rockstar and gog launcher. All these launchers are fighting to attract customers. They are consoles within the pc land.
But I doubt console players know that. Its convenient for them to down their games, unlike the pc player base.
Consoles from my perspective are single player games. Pc has other amazing exclusive genre consoles wont be able to get. Moding, rts, mmos (mmos on consoles are meh compared to pc), MP games (pc dominates this area), rpg, started on pc (skyrim, elder scrolls, fallout). Shooter games (doom, halo where pc games, halo was then developed for OG xbox).
There is the Chinese pc market, Asian such korean mmos, which aren't on the consoles.
There are alot of games you are missing out on pc. You dont need cinematic games to make them great.